Lillith is kind of a moot point, you have to remember that Vergil didn't know about Lillith's importance. He couldn't formulate that plan without the variable that only Dante knew. And the ending, eh I wouldn't say Vergil was dumb or smart in that case. That was just two people seeing the world through a different lens.
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DmC |OT| No, F*ck You!
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Lillith is kind of a moot point, you have to remember that Vergil didn't know about Lillith's importance. He couldn't formulate that plan without the variable that only Dante knew. And the ending, eh I wouldn't say Vergil was dumb or smart in that case. That was just two people seeing the world through a different lens.
I think he looks great and completely encapsulates both of those actors and their characters.
Glass Rebel
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perfect, thanks for taking the time.
I really wonder what they mean by "partial controller support" though...
? are you talking about the end of the game? *spoilers*
Dante did it to piss off Mundus, he didn't want to kill the baby, he thought it was fucked up too, it was Vergil's idea to begin with and him who killed it.
Vergil didn't know that Lilith was pregnant. They establish that Mundus doesn't actually care about Lilith, only what was in her womb.
I expect that the DLC will have significant character development for Vergil. It is called Vergil's Downfall so we know what direction his character is going to go.
Basically, this. I'm glad they tried a different take instead of rehashing the same Dante/Vergil dynamic from DMC3. They could have done it way better but I definitely like the idea.
That usually means there is a launcher of some sort that will require you to click a mouse button to start the game.
For example, Far Cry 3 is "partial" controller support just because it has to use the Ubisoft launcher where you have to use your mouse to boot it.
Full controller support means that you can launch the game entirely from a controller and never have to use a keyboard or mouse.
The only time Vergil displays intelligence is when hacking is involved and I don't really count that as its just technobabble. And even then he tripped the tampering alarm that Kat warned him about. Vergil display any kind of intelligence that was above the ordinary, making him just weaker than Dante and not at all his equal.
WickedLaharl
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Yeah I get that. Everything about it (what vergil did, what dante said) was really off putting and lame to me.
This is where I'm kinda shocked cause I figured NT would have come up with something better.
As shallow as it was, they did have Vergil have plenty of conversations with Kat that were purposely meant to go over Dante's (and some player's) heads. There was also plenty of logical vs. emotional choices in play. For example,
Vergil kiling Lillith while the exchange was still in danger vs. Dante planning to give Mundus back his one weakness
Also why does Mundus need an heir if he is immortal?
Why do the angels not care that humans are enslaved?
How does Vergil know Dante's dick size?
Are Sparda and Mundus actual brothers or just brothers in arm?
What makes Mundus so special that he's the demon king? What is so special about him that he can only be killed by a Nephilim?
Where the fuck is Sparda after all the events in DmC?
Why do the angels not care that humans are enslaved?
How does Vergil know Dante's dick size?
Are Sparda and Mundus actual brothers or just brothers in arm?
What makes Mundus so special that he's the demon king? What is so special about him that he can only be killed by a Nephilim?
Where the fuck is Sparda after all the events in DmC?
ShinobiFist
Banned
This.
Same reason why Klaus in Vampire Diaries need family, even though he is immortal
Family, man! Love, lack of solitude, etc.
No problemo, on second hand I'd rather wait with screenshots until release, better safe than sorry
Yea me too, I'm usually wary of that since I play PC games on the couch but I haven't hit a wall. Maybe there's some text input somewhere deep down in the menus that isn't mapped to a controller button? Dunno.
There's no launcher though
Glass Rebel
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That's what I asked but there seems to be no launcher.
No worries about the screenshots, I just wanted some eye-candy to carry me over.
That Dude John
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Yeah, one thing I hope they do in Vergil's Downfall is grow him to be a bit more of a threat. Hopefully, his time spent wherever he is will force him to change into someone more formidable.
Animal/Demon instinct to want/protect his heir.
Aren't the angels strippers? He probably enslaved them too
Kat told him.
1) But why does he NEED an heir to begin with when he's supposedly immortal?
2) Angels aren't strippers those were demons disguided as humans dressed in angel clothing.
3) So Kat has seen Vergil's cock? One plot hole leads into another.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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No offense, but I honestly don't believe you would of ever thought different.
please don't take this as me knocking your opinion, but it is very clear hat you a have a clear love for all NT's work.
Saint Gregory
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I haven't played the game yet (PC version) but aren't Dante and Vergil twins or did that change in the reboot?
mere_immortal
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Well he's only immortal because of the Hellgate. I imagine if Vergil knows that Mundus has to.
Also is Vergil's downfall set after the game?
That Dude John
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You know, what the heck do angels do in this version of the lore? NT has only shown half of the equation.
Absolutely diddly squat.
They are definitely twins in the reboot.
Vergil probably had penis enlargement surgery done from all the wealth he had.
I don't think he cares about having someone to take his place, it's just that he wants to protect his child.
I didn't know that lol.
They've been together for a while, Vergil probably likes sleeping naked, a lot of opportunity for Kat to see his dick.
It's not the prettiest PC game ever (Sleeping Dogs and Far Cry 3 are technically more impressive, UE3 is starting to show its age) but it runs at insane framerates, sometimes hitting above 300fps in cut scenes on a GTX 590 but during action it's locked at 120 which it has no trouble achieving whatsoever. Overall it's just a really crisp silky smooth port of the console version.
That isn't a conflict between logic and emotion, just one of different values. Dante cared more about saving Kate than he did about killing mundas and Vergil felt the opposite. Dante isn't dumber for wanting to save kat and Vergil isn't smarter for wanting to piss off mundas.
Man Kat probably lives with the dude, and awesome people sleeps naked
Saint Gregory
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Game is sounding pretty freaky but that seems to fit the overall theme NT was going for so...
I want to see more Nephilims/Angels in DmC2 if they were make one. Expand the lore please. Also I want to traverse environments like these:
Looks like a lot of platforming. No thanks.
platforming is definitely coming back, it's either that or you do puzzles or backtracking ...
But Vergil isn't awesome...
Yeah no way that platforming does NOT make a return in either DmC2 or DMC5. Personally I like it more than puzzle solving and backtracking.
Glass Rebel
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It's not the prettiest PC game ever (Sleeping Dogs and Far Cry 3 are technically more impressive, UE3 is starting to show its age) but it runs at insane framerates, sometimes hitting above 300fps in cut scenes on a GTX 590 but during action it's locked at 120 which it has no trouble achieving whatsoever. Overall it's just a really crisp silky smooth port of the console version.
that feel of 600fps
Give me the puzzles dammit! Hell, I'll take backtracking too.
Normal male biological need to want to pass on genetics. Plus don't say they don't have the same needs humans do because obviously they give in to their sexual desires.
We know nothing about the angels. For all we know, they are completely hands-off with the mortal realm.
I think that was a joke lol Sibling tension and all that.
Probably just brothers in arms but I don't remember what the original lore for that was in DMC. At this point, we can just assume that the lores are similar there.
Strongest demon = demon king from what I've gathered. Normal warring hierarchy. The whole Nephilim thing is obviously just a plot device to give the player a sense of importance but from a lore point of view, maybe it is a special effect that the hell gate grants its master (and it is a trait that stays permanent despite the current status of the hell gate).
Sounds to me like the punishment given to Sparda was something permanent that can not be undone. He is locked in his own hell that has no entry or exit.
We know nothing about the angels. For all we know, they are completely hands-off with the mortal realm.
I think that was a joke lol Sibling tension and all that.
Probably just brothers in arms but I don't remember what the original lore for that was in DMC. At this point, we can just assume that the lores are similar there.
Strongest demon = demon king from what I've gathered. Normal warring hierarchy. The whole Nephilim thing is obviously just a plot device to give the player a sense of importance but from a lore point of view, maybe it is a special effect that the hell gate grants its master (and it is a trait that stays permanent despite the current status of the hell gate).
Sounds to me like the punishment given to Sparda was something permanent that can not be undone. He is locked in his own hell that has no entry or exit.
I'm also going to spoiler tag all of this just in case so BIG BLACK BOXES.
He tried!
Screw puzzles! Backtracking is fine as long as you get to fight cool shit, I do prefer fighting shit than the same mind numbing platforming over and over unless it's actually quicker the second time around.
I'd take DmC platforming over any backtracking and/or puzzles in previous games. Tenfold.
Replaying levels are way more fun for me this way. The only game I can go back now and replay without feeling bad about it is Bayonetta. If anyone forces me to replay DMC4 castle once more, I will throw up.
Replaying levels are way more fun for me this way. The only game I can go back now and replay without feeling bad about it is Bayonetta. If anyone forces me to replay DMC4 castle once more, I will throw up.
Acquiescence
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I need tips on how to deal with the Drekavac/Dreamrunner type enemies. Those things do that move where they teleport into a sphere and then back out of it, and often enough I can demon dodge that attack and retaliate with the trinity smash. Problem is, soimetimes I can get the hits in and sometimes they parry that move, and I can't tell how to avoid the latter happening. Sometimes I even get an endless cycle of parrying, hitting back with the Arbiter, parrying, hitting back, parrying, with no moves connecting. I need to find a guaranteed means of getting my attacks to connect.
Go to say, I'm loving the game for the most part. The
boss was the absolute nadir. Hadn't really struggled with the game prior to that (I'm playing on Nephilim mode), but that thing tore me to pieces. I just couldn't get into a rhythm, it dragged on forever and it was, uhh... really gross! It's not just one John Carpenter movie that's been an influence it seems. The nightclub stuff before that though - what a sensory overload, I loved it. That's Ninja Theory's bread and butter right there.
Go to say, I'm loving the game for the most part. The
Mundus' Spawn
mere_immortal
Member
When they are coming out of the sphere you can actually grab them with the demon pull and I've found that gives you a few more hits. Also you can launch em up, they still parry after a few hits but you can mix it up a bit more.
Demon dodge destroys them too, actually demon dodge is just crazy against anything.
Glass Rebel
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The backtracking actually never really bothered me in DMC4 since you get to play it with a new character. I can totally see people hating the dice bullshit though.
also is that Mélanie Laurent in your avatar?
The backtracking in dmc4 really didn't last very long to be honest, yea it did have the same background while you fight stuff on a different character.
DmC was just a crapload of platforming inbetween small arenas.
edit: well forget I said it didn't last very long, I worded it wrong, I meant to say that the backtracking section was full of combat which is the same in other games, except it has the same background.
DmC was just a crapload of platforming inbetween small arenas.
edit: well forget I said it didn't last very long, I worded it wrong, I meant to say that the backtracking section was full of combat which is the same in other games, except it has the same background.
Against Drekavac:
1) When they open a portal, the moment you see the portal where he will come out, jump up in that direction and do a Helm Breaker (B in the air with Rebellion). It will knock them down, or even better: it will parry their hits as well. This works 95% of the time. It needs some reactions and a little bit of timing to not be late, but it can be consistently pulled off.
2) When they can be opened up, always do one or two Kablooey for added extra. If you explode it while they are attacking, you can do one more combo again - where you can place a Kablooey shot again
3) The trick with parry dodging really is to simply attack as fast as possible once you dodged his attacks. I like to do y,y,y (rebellion) - hold y- >drive, overdrive, they usually (half the time) eat the missiles easily.
4) If you feel like you are getting caught in an endless cycle of parries, then start shooting it with E&I, dodge back to get a distance, and he will most likely call for a teleport once you stop shooting. Then you can knock them down (explained in 1).
1) When they open a portal, the moment you see the portal where he will come out, jump up in that direction and do a Helm Breaker (B in the air with Rebellion). It will knock them down, or even better: it will parry their hits as well. This works 95% of the time. It needs some reactions and a little bit of timing to not be late, but it can be consistently pulled off.
2) When they can be opened up, always do one or two Kablooey for added extra. If you explode it while they are attacking, you can do one more combo again - where you can place a Kablooey shot again
3) The trick with parry dodging really is to simply attack as fast as possible once you dodged his attacks. I like to do y,y,y (rebellion) - hold y- >drive, overdrive, they usually (half the time) eat the missiles easily.
4) If you feel like you are getting caught in an endless cycle of parries, then start shooting it with E&I, dodge back to get a distance, and he will most likely call for a teleport once you stop shooting. Then you can knock them down (explained in 1).
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