DMC3 = ZOE2

Electrii said:
If you beat SoW and actually sat around until the end of the credits, they make it pretty obvious that there will be a sequel.
I really liked the game, so bring it on.

Anyways, DMC3 is kicking my ass and I like it. I died countless times, but I'm around mission 8 and I'm really getting the hang of things.
it's definitely challenging, though.

Well, I did, and even though this was still an alternate telling of historical events, it still had a historial timeline to follow. Sure they could do a different story with a different person or they could keep branching off from the official history, but I'm not sure how far they really want to take it.
 
dark10x said:
I don't know what to say, Vashu, but I just totally disagree more than I thought possible. Ninja Gaiden's gameplay is FANTASTIC and I found that it offered the most depth and entertainment yet seen in this genre. The mechanics are very solid and rewarding, the level design is wonderful and sprawling (a full on world to explore ala Metroid Prime or something), and there is a ton of variety. There is so much more to the game than pretty visuals...

Opinions vary, but I do think you are being EXTREMELY unfair to the game. I hope you have complted the game before forming such a harsh opinion...

Yes I did, rented it a few times before finally completing it. Don't get me wrong though, I still think it's a good game, put in about 40 to 50 hours, and I'm not really beating it into the ground. But I just find the game to be a bit generic, though heavily polished generic. I'm having the same now with Prince of Persia: Warrior Within. Not because of the smoldering generic rage, but of the way it's been put together gameplay wise.

I still enjoy it, but I believe that ZOE2, and Bujingai for that matter, added a little more extra to the genre than Ninja Gaiden did. Not saying it's bad, I won't give it a C-, but it's definately no A+ material either. Though this could happen to all the games in that genre, so devvies have to make sure that they add something different to give it a little more feeling.

Take Tekken 5 and Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution for example. Both are, to my oppinion, a lot more interesting than Dead or Alive Ultimate which lacks that little extra touch to it.
 
I just beat mission 9, and wow - this game is incredible!!
Action gamers who like a big challenge (which is fair, not frustrating) are in for a treat.
 
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Vashu said:
Yes I did, rented it a few times before finally completing it. Don't get me wrong though, I still think it's a good game, put in about 40 to 50 hours, and I'm not really beating it into the ground. But I just find the game to be a bit generic, though heavily polished generic. I'm having the same now with Prince of Persia: Warrior Within. Not because of the smoldering generic rage, but of the way it's been put together gameplay wise.

I still enjoy it, but I believe that ZOE2, and Bujingai for that matter, added a little more extra to the genre than Ninja Gaiden did. Not saying it's bad, I won't give it a C-, but it's definately no A+ material either. Though this could happen to all the games in that genre, so devvies have to make sure that they add something different to give it a little more feeling.

Take Tekken 5 and Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution for example. Both are, to my oppinion, a lot more interesting than Dead or Alive Ultimate which lacks that little extra touch to it.


I too hold the same opinion towards Ninja Gaiden. Although I do think its an above average game, I dont hold it at the same level that most here do. While I think the action is fun and fast I dont care for the dial a combo system. I would rather have a system that lets me make my own and DMC3 does that to the fullest. There was no story to think of and the art design lacked personality. Only when you got to the last section were the environments interesting to even look at (the air ship and city for that matter sucked) All in all a "good" game and thats a stretch for me. IMOH nowhere near the evolution of DMC1 my favorite in the genre. Well until DMC3 hits that is
 
So Devil May Cry is that good?

May have to rent it now.

Sorry if I missed it, but has the lame puzzle finding from DMC1 been removed?

Also, what is this Bujangai game people keep on bringing up.

PS Ninja Gaiden is the champ don't ever forget it! :D
 
woa...those pictures look excellent

after the horra that was DMC2 I pretty much ignored this game....I'll have to look into it now....when's it out?> 1st week of March?
 
Mrbob said:
Also, what is this Bujangai game people keep on bringing up.

Bujingai is a game in the same vein as DMC, but I guess you figured that out by now. :p It features the Japanese singer Gackt, who provided his face and voice-work (Japanese language only) and looks very very stylish. The combat is fast and full of all sorts of colour. It's not perfect, but it's a very good and polished game. Some more info and shots can be found throught the links below.

Bujingai Japanese Site
Gamespot Bujingai Section


PS Ninja Gaiden is the champ don't ever forget it! :D

NOT! :D
 
http://www.ntsc-uk.com/review.php?platform=ps2&game=DevilMayCry3

9/10

Devil May Cry 3 is everything that fans of the original have been craving for and much more besides as it surpasses DMC1 in pretty much every conceivable way. Even folk who weren’t too keen on the first game will find something to enjoy here: the game is as finely crafted an action game as anyone could wish for, wrapped up nicely with stunning visuals, a smart plot, lashings of ass-kicking style and plenty to keep coming back for. This is one reunion in which everyone is left smiling and glad they made the effort. Capcom, you are well and truly forgiven for DMC2.

Pros:
- Stunning depth of gameplay
- Fantasic characterisation and cutscenes
- The best action game you can get

Cons:
- Music not to everyone's taste
- Occasional minor camera niggles

Oh, and let me just add that God of War is even better. But that's for another topic ;)
 
I saw on several forums some people that don't like the nevan - am I the only one who loves it? you can easily get SSStylish combos by rocking the fuck out of the opponents surrounding you, what's better than that? :)
 
Re: Nevan

Nevan is quite slow compared to some of the other weapons, but yeah you can do some sick stuff with it.

There's a few extra moves for Nevan that's quite handy under swordmaster mode as well, and being able to open a combo with Rebellion, switch mid combo to Nevan, then switch back to Rebellion, knock them up in the air with a high time, shoot them a few times with E+I, and close it all out with Nevan again is priceless.
 
Ok I just read that Bujingai review. No way is it better than Ninja Gaiden. Too many nagging problems. I can accept some people saying DMC3 is better because the style is a little different mixing in ranged and melee attacks in battle. But Bujingai? No no no no no no. Although the review did confuse me. The reviewer compared it to Devil May Cry and Otogi wtf?! It does sound like decent fun, and I wouldn't mind picking it up for 20 bucks. I didn't even know the game came out in the USA.

Anyway, my gut feeling is that it won't be DMC3 that gets tossed around with Ninja Gaiden as the best action game of this gen. It'll be God of War. The God of War demo is amazing, and is supposed to be the most linear part of the entire game. PS2 GoTM God of War calling it right now! :D
 
aku:jiki said:
Anyone interested in Bujingai should note that you need to colorblind for this to be true.

I can see the wonderful colors perfectly, so there goes your little 'fact'. :D
 
Vashu, I think this might be a case where you simply loved an average game and are proclaiming it to be far beyond what it really is. I've done that myself, so it's not as if I can't understand, but still...

The biggest flaws with Bujingai seem to be related to repetition and level design. The level design seems empty and the actual missions often sound not only linear but also poorly designed. It would also appear that the controls could have used some work, with some action types being needlessly difficult to perform. What is it about this game, outside of visual style, that you love so much?

What made Ninja Gaiden so damn good in my eyes was in how it managed to do virtually everything right. The controls are nearly flawless, for one thing. You end up fighting some of the fastest enemies yet seen in the genre and they come down on you hard. Have you actually tried the Hurricane Pack Vol. 1? The enemies encountered are much more challenging while Ryu himself has a few new moves (including a new countering system) to help combat them. It's shockingly deep for an action game and is FAR beyond the "dial-a-combo" style gameplay that you suggested. If you attempted to "dial-a-combo" on this difficulty, you'd probably have your ass handed to you before reaching the first save point.

There is more to the game that just its combat system, however. The environment is an important piece of this game, as it creates the feeling of a large, seamless world. At times, the game reminded me of Metroid Prime (which is a very good thing) in the way it progressed. This world was further enhanced by the sheer variety presented in terms of enemies faced. You were forced to deal with such a large number of varying foes that all required unique strategies to beat.

So, you have a large and interesting world to explore, a massive variety of enemies, some of the best controls and combat mechanics the genre has ever seen, and an unbeatable presentation polished to perfection. There was absolutely nothing about the game I didn't like and it impressed the hell out of me. The experience was just so much fun and it lasted a VERY long time.

I nearly skipped the game as a result of other similar titles such as Devil May Cry, however. It's not that I disliked DMC or the like, but I honestly never found that all that compelling. Every other game in the genre has simply been flawed in too many specific areas which prevented me from really enjoying them. Gaiden is one major exception. I mean, even titles such as ZOE2 (which I enjoyed) have too many flaws for their own good.
 
1st Born said:
Got my copy of DMC3 prpaid. Ninja Gaiden is too damn hard, the regualr game. I can't get out of Chapter 5.

Which is a shame, as the game really starts to get amazing from Chapter 5 and onward...
 
so..... DMC3 or God of War?


also, is there any truth to the rumor that Capcom licensed the Soul Calibur 2 engine for a boss fight between Dante and Virgil?
 
dark10x said:
Vashu, I think this might be a case where you simply loved an average game and are proclaiming it to be far beyond what it really is. I've done that myself, so it's not as if I can't understand, but still...

The biggest flaws with Bujingai seem to be related to repetition and level design. The level design seems empty and the actual missions often sound not only linear but also poorly designed. It would also appear that the controls could have used some work, with some action types being needlessly difficult to perform. What is it about this game, outside of visual style, that you love so much?

What made Ninja Gaiden so damn good in my eyes was in how it managed to do virtually everything right. The controls are nearly flawless, for one thing. You end up fighting some of the fastest enemies yet seen in the genre and they come down on you hard. Have you actually tried the Hurricane Pack Vol. 1? The enemies encountered are much more challenging while Ryu himself has a few new moves (including a new countering system) to help combat them. It's shockingly deep for an action game and is FAR beyond the "dial-a-combo" style gameplay that you suggested. If you attempted to "dial-a-combo" on this difficulty, you'd probably have your ass handed to you before reaching the first save point.

There is more to the game that just its combat system, however. The environment is an important piece of this game, as it creates the feeling of a large, seamless world. At times, the game reminded me of Metroid Prime (which is a very good thing) in the way it progressed. This world was further enhanced by the sheer variety presented in terms of enemies faced. You were forced to deal with such a large number of varying foes that all required unique strategies to beat.

So, you have a large and interesting world to explore, a massive variety of enemies, some of the best controls and combat mechanics the genre has ever seen, and an unbeatable presentation polished to perfection. There was absolutely nothing about the game I didn't like and it impressed the hell out of me. The experience was just so much fun and it lasted a VERY long time.

I nearly skipped the game as a result of other similar titles such as Devil May Cry, however. It's not that I disliked DMC or the like, but I honestly never found that all that compelling. Every other game in the genre has simply been flawed in too many specific areas which prevented me from really enjoying them. Gaiden is one major exception. I mean, even titles such as ZOE2 (which I enjoyed) have too many flaws for their own good.


While I agree with some of your points, I have to disagree with the majority. I find the world of NG severely lacking in atmosphere and quality. It's not at all interesting, and the controls are nowhere near perfect. But that is just my oppinion, which of course you might consider flawed. Thing is, NG is a good game in my book, but I find it too generic and it just doesn't play right.

I got to about level 6 with the Hurricane pack, but after a while I had already seen the end of the fun. I still play it once in a while, since I do enjoy fighting with the added rod (on of my most favorite weapons in the game right now), but I find the overall enjoyment of the game to be more of a chore than actually liking the setting and combat-mechanics. Thing is, it all comes down to taste. For example, I might enjoy a good bottle of wine, while another person actually finds it disgusting and rather gets a beer. Or vice versa since I hate wine. :p
 
The End said:
so..... DMC3 or God of War?


also, is there any truth to the rumor that Capcom licensed the Soul Calibur 2 engine for a boss fight between Dante and Virgil?

I say...BOTH.

And that was bullshit.
 
Vashu said:
While I agree with some of your points, I have to disagree with the majority. I find the world of NG severely lacking in atmosphere and quality. It's not at all interesting, and the controls are nowhere near perfect. But that is just my oppinion, which of course you might consider flawed. Thing is, NG is a good game in my book, but I find it too generic and it just doesn't play right.

I got to about level 6 with the Hurricane pack, but after a while I had already seen the end of the fun. I still play it once in a while, since I do enjoy fighting with the added rod (on of my most favorite weapons in the game right now), but I find the overall enjoyment of the game to be more of a chore than actually liking the setting and combat-mechanics. Thing is, it all comes down to taste. For example, I might enjoy a good bottle of wine, while another person actually finds it disgusting and rather gets a beer. Or vice versa since I hate wine. :p

That's fine, I see where we disagree about Ninja Gaiden, but what is it about Bujingai that you enjoy so much? I know you love the style, but that's not what I want to hear about.
 
Electrii said:
I saw on several forums some people that don't like the nevan - am I the only one who loves it? you can easily get SSStylish combos by rocking the fuck out of the opponents surrounding you, what's better than that? :)

I think it kinda sucks but I love it and use it as my main melee weapon. Very satisfying to rock people to death :)

I use a Nevan/Rebellion combo so I can switch up between fast and slow. Also use the anti-tank rifle and the handguns for the same reasoning. Nevan + Spiral is badass :)
 
dark10x said:
That's fine, I see where we disagree about Ninja Gaiden, but what is it about Bujingai that you enjoy so much? I know you love the style, but that's not what I want to hear about.

The battle-system and the way you can play the game. It feels a little similar to Otogi, which I had never played until I got my hands on a demo of part 2 in that, imo, brilliant series. In both games you can just whip out damage by pressing whatever button you want, but it becomes more rewarding when you take the time to actually learn combo-strings and such. Boss-fights can be pretty longlasting too, especially with the 'defense-meter'.

Fact is, it blends over the top Kung-Fu cinema with a good, not perfect, gameplay system. Add the waterfall of colors, and you got a very stylized game. Sure, the game's story lacks (understatement of the year) any depth, but this has been made up for by the very fun gameplay. The lineair levels can be fun to cross-through, especially in one continuous combo.
 
Got it on pre-order... 25th of March can't come soon enough. Slightly disappointed that Lady is not a playable character, but the (sorta) simultaneous 2 player mode more than makes up for any disappointment. Awesome.
 
I dont think Ninja Gaiden is that hard. I'm still playing it though, chapter 10 on normal. So far, the only part that gave me real trouble was actually the beginning of the game. It's weird like that...
 
Vashu said:
The battle-system and the way you can play the game. It feels a little similar to Otogi, which I had never played until I got my hands on a demo of part 2 in that, imo, brilliant series. In both games you can just whip out damage by pressing whatever button you want, but it becomes more rewarding when you take the time to actually learn combo-strings and such. Boss-fights can be pretty longlasting too, especially with the 'defense-meter'.

Fact is, it blends over the top Kung-Fu cinema with a good, not perfect, gameplay system. Add the waterfall of colors, and you got a very stylized game. Sure, the game's story lacks (understatement of the year) any depth, but this has been made up for by the very fun gameplay. The lineair levels can be fun to cross-through, especially in one continuous combo.

Heh, speaking of Otogi, I found the original to be VERY disappointing. After all the hype on GA, I really ended up not enjoying it. It was beautiful as hell and I loved the atmosphere, but I found the actual scenario design to be downright awful.

I wonder if Otogi 2 is any better?

Ninja Gaiden is way overrated man. Hard doesn't equal fun, I don't care who argues otherwise.

I agree, but I didn't find it to be that difficult on normal. The original DMC was harder...
 
i actually thought DMC1 was harder than ninja gaiden simply because of the annoying/tedious save system, the RE style camera system and the lack of defensive methods... i thought the combat system in NG was far superior because defense was intuitive and important... there was an ebb and flow to the battles, flowing from offense to defense and back again. also the enemies where pretty smart. they used defense as well, and the battles became sort of a dance. I like that kind of combat much more than just a complex combo system with juggles and crazy moves.

i never even finished DMC, but i'm actually still interested in part 3 because of the different combat styles and it just looks fun.

does anybody know how long it is? that's an important factor for me when i purchase a game. ninja gaiden was probably the longest pure action game i've ever played, and after playing mgs3 and RE4, i'm kind of spoiled now. i expect the top games to be fairly lengthy, regardless of genre.
 
i actually thought DMC1 was harder than ninja gaiden simply because of the annoying/tedious save system, the RE style camera system and the lack of defensive methods... i thought the combat system in NG was far superior because defense was intuitive and important... there was an ebb and flow to the battles, flowing from offense to defense and back again. also the enemies where pretty smart. they used defense as well, and the battles became sort of a dance. I like that kind of combat much more than just a complex combo system with juggles and crazy moves.

Couldn't agree more.
 
I'd say you'll beat the game at around 17-20 hours, depending how much you suck. but you're guaranteed to want to play through it again at least once to max out your character, or just because the combat is so damn fun.
 
Krowley said:
i actually thought DMC1 was harder than ninja gaiden simply because of the annoying/tedious save system, the RE style camera system and the lack of defensive methods... i thought the combat system in NG was far superior because defense was intuitive and important... there was an ebb and flow to the battles, flowing from offense to defense and back again. also the enemies where pretty smart. they used defense as well, and the battles became sort of a dance. I like that kind of combat much more than just a complex combo system with juggles and crazy moves.

i never even finished DMC, but i'm actually still interested in part 3 because of the different combat styles and it just looks fun.

does anybody know how long it is? that's an important factor for me when i purchase a game. ninja gaiden was probably the longest pure action game i've ever played, and after playing mgs3 and RE4, i'm kind of spoiled now. i expect the top games to be fairly lengthy, regardless of genre.

There's a ton of unlockables and different difficulty levels for replay value. Not too mention that going through the game once you will probably only unlock 1 and a 1/2 styles. So that means you're second playthrough could be completely different in terms of how you fight.

I'm about 75% through the game at a little under 7 hours using the trickster style. Will definitely be replaying it with the Gunslinger and Swordmaster style when I'm done.
 
Electrii said:
I'd say you'll beat the game at around 17-20 hours, depending how much you suck. but you're guaranteed to want to play through it again at least once to max out your character, or just because the combat is so damn fun.

Hmmm, I don't see how those hours are possible? I know people keep ballparking 15-20 hours but I'm at
mission 14/15 at 6:45 and aren't there only like 19/20 missions?
I have a hard time believing the end section of the game will take that long.
 
Bebpo said:
Hmmm, I don't see how those hours are possible? I know people keep ballparking 15-20 hours but I'm at
mission 14/15 at 6:45 and aren't there only like 19/20 missions?
I have a hard time believing the end section of the game will take that long.


well there are always some people that go through games faster than others. personally i can usually take the number game reviewers are throwing out and add about 5 - 15 hours to it... i really take my time and explore environments and i tend to retry things if i feel i could have done a better job.

for me ninja gaiden, re4, mgs3, and metroid prime 1 and 2 were all 30+ hour games. if dmc3 is getting balparked in the 15 - 20 hour range, i will probably get around 25, and thats pretty good IMO. the replayability factor also sounds nice.
 
Bebpo said:
Hmmm, I don't see how those hours are possible? I know people keep ballparking 15-20 hours but I'm at
mission 14/15 at 6:45 and aren't there only like 19/20 missions?
I have a hard time believing the end section of the game will take that long.
Wow, that's pretty weird - I just checked my file and I've only cleared mission 13 and my playtime is at 15 hours!

I'd say you're rushing through the game.
 
jett said:
I say...BOTH.

Absolutely.

About GOW, let me just say this:

Silky smooth 60fps = check
16:9 = check
Progressive scan = check
Soften image ON/OFF option (anti aliasing-like) = check
Surround sound = check
Sex = check (no kiddin')
 
Oh man beautiful indeed.

I brought the God of War demo over to my buddies place the other day. He has a 16:9 progress HDTV and it looked amazing. Sold me on getting a widescreen hdtv asap! :D
 
Mrbob said:
Oh man beautiful indeed.

I brought the God of War demo over to my buddies place the other day. He has a 16:9 progress HDTV and it looked amazing. Sold me on getting a widescreen hdtv asap! :D

What are you talking about dode? Wait til you see Ninja Gaiden in 480p & 16:9...God of War is awesome but Ninja Gaiden is still king!
 
Electrii said:
Wow, that's pretty weird - I just checked my file and I've only cleared mission 13 and my playtime is at 15 hours!

I'd say you're rushing through the game.

But see this is what I don't understand...it's an action game. You walk in a room and kill everything and then walk to the next room and kill everything and repeat. How can you 'rush' these games? ^^; I mean I'd understand an hour or two difference just due to how long bosses took for people but double the time!? I kill every enemy I see and I die about 5-10 times per boss, not really sure why my time is so low.

Then again I don't feel like I rushed RE4 (had total kills at about the same or higher than most people) and it only took me 15 hours vs most people's 18-22 estimate.

Hmmm....maybe I'm the only one who uses run instead of walk in games? ;P
 
PanopticBlue said:
What are you talking about dode? Wait til you see Ninja Gaiden in 480p & 16:9...God of War is awesome but Ninja Gaiden is still king!


:O

I didn't lug my Xbox with me so I haven't seen Gaiden in 16:9 and 480P. I feel the need to get a widescreen HDTV now! :D
 
Bebpo said:
But see this is what I don't understand...it's an action game. You walk in a room and kill everything and then walk to the next room and kill everything and repeat. How can you 'rush' these games? ^^; I mean I'd understand an hour or two difference just due to how long bosses took for people but double the time!? I kill every enemy I see and I die about 5-10 times per boss, not really sure why my time is so low.

Then again I don't feel like I rushed RE4 (had total kills at about the same or higher than most people) and it only took me 15 hours vs most people's 18-22 estimate.

Hmmm....maybe I'm the only one who uses run instead of walk in games? ;P

It took me 13 hours to beat RE4 and I didn't feel like I rushed it. Some games I don't really feel I rushed but comparing to other people's game times, my game time was signifcantly lower than theirs. I guess some people either suck or really take their time :P


Also, how long did you guys take to beat Ninja Gaiden? I'm on mission 10 at around 7 hours. You guys think I'm 'rushing' this one too?
 
and for Dark and Mr.Bob I'll say that Ninja Gaiden was incredible and playing DMC3 is the first time since my 1st NG playthrough that I'm getting a similar feeling of just total awesome-ness as I play smartly, dodging and killing things left and right.

One thing DMC3 does have over NG is the bosses. The bosses have more moves/patterns and are extremely well done.
 
Wario64 said:
Also, how long did you guys take to beat Ninja Gaiden? I'm on mission 10 at around 7 hours. You guys think I'm 'rushing' this one too?

I think I was around 16 hours. Lvl.15 will eat you alive though so getting money and buying a bijillion items/powering up weapons was part of that time.
 
By buying items, I assume you mean health items? Cause my health related items has been maxed like through the entire game. I actually only use my health potions when I come across a chest with a potion but the game tells me I can't carry anymore :P

Er sorry, this is a DMC3 thread, not a Ninja Gaiden thread!
 
Wario64 said:
By buying items, I assume you mean health items? Cause my health related items has been maxed like through the entire game. I actually only use my health potions when I come across a chest with a potion but the game tells me I can't carry anymore :P

Er sorry, this is a DMC3 thread, not a Ninja Gaiden thread!

Yea IIRC there were elixer type things and stuff to refill your magic.
 
At first I honestly though that Bujingai defender was just joking around or trolling but he seems pretty defensive of his game there.

I'm strongly in the camp of Ninja Gaiden love, especially after buying devil may cry 2 yesterday and allready finishing it off. I preorderd DMC3 while I was at it , hopefully its closer to the first one, in that it's actually fun to play.

Folks that find Ninja Gaiden to hard to finish are weaksauce, I suck at games and I managed to get through it, it was damn satisfying let me tell you. The combat in that game was perfect , once you figured out how to play the game properly everything just sort of flowed naturally. Even the camera works fine once you figure out that it always does that little pan over when enemies are nearby. I need to play through it again to wash the foul taste of dante out of my mouth.

ZOE2 , has nothing in common with devil may cry or these other games it's almost more a shooter with slight beat em up aspects then a devil may cry style game. It was pretty good though I have to admit...
 
Goddamnit DMD difficulty is humbling. took me like an hour to just get past the first level lol.

Think I was too obscessed with trying out new combos with Nevan though, and DMD really punishes you if you mess up.
 
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