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Do teachers earn good money in the USA?

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psycho_snake

I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
The only reason that I would want to become a teacher is because of the long holidays. In England, teachers are paid well, especially if you are working in a private school, but I hate England so much and I don't plan to work there in the future. Does anyone know if teachers earn well in the USA or Canada, because it would definately be a job worth considering.
 

xsarien

daedsiluap
How much you get paid as a teacher in the U.S. depends *entirely* on where you wind up teaching. My high school teachers, by all accounts, made a pretty decent amount of money. Nothing over-the-top, but they weren't exactly hurting either.

But you also can get the polar opposite, where you'll need two jobs and sometimes need to buy supplies for your students out of your own pocket because of local financial problems.
 

RevenantKioku

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Good lord no. But if you put up for it for a long time, you can get lucky like my father and get a position where you only teach 2 classes a day (instead of 3) and get paid more.
 

psycho_snake

I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
I'm not exactly looking for tons of money. if I wanted to get loads of money, I would go for something to do with computers. For me, a good pay would be $60,000, but I'm not sure if a teacher can make that much money...
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Well, their salary is different in different parts of the US, but my sister's an elementary school teacher here in NY, and my mother also works in the school system, so I know a fair bit about their compensation:


Starting pay is currently $39,800 (with periodic incremental raises, obviously; i.e., after the first 3 years, 5 years etc.), but, according to inside sources, they are going to get another 13-16% raise in starting pay next year, which will be phased in over 3 years for current teachers. This is on top of the 18% raise they got around 2-3 years ago, so their union is obviously getting concessions from city government. Personally, though I see how hard my sister works-- and it is very hard (she has her class plus is doing her Master's at night, which is now required for all NY teachers within 5 years of licensure)-- I tendto think that a 30%+ raise in under 3 years is a bit insane, especially in a cash-strapped city. Not that teachers don't deserve to be paid more (many professions and jobs do-- cops, firefighters etc.), but the NYC police force hasn't had a raise in like 7 years, and their base pay is way below that of teachers ($33K, iirc). Anyway...


Though the initial salary will be middle of the road for new graduates (if you become a teacher in 2 years, your starting salary will be around $44K; if you get your Master's degree, it adds another $4-6K on to that salary automatically). Now, where the real money comes in is after you've put years into the system. To receive their pension, teachers must put in 30 years, I believe (assuming that you start at 22, you'll be able to retire at 52), but the pension is quite nice. They retain a full salary ($85K per year after the first 25 years) for the rest of their lives plus health insurance for the rest of their lives. In addition, many teachers (including my sister) put money from each paycheck into a TDA account (tax-deferred annuity), on which interest accrues for those 30 years. You can put as much or as little as you want into this account (or put nothing at all) per paycheck, but the payoff is huge. My mother knows two teachers who just retired, and one's TDA payout was $830K, and the other's was $760K. Add that money on top of their $80K+ per year pension plus benefits, and it's easy to see that you'll have a nice, comfortable retirement....if you can put up with the NYC school system for 30 years, which is a big "if". :D


So all in all, though they're always griping about being underpaid, I think that teachers earn a decent living (in an ideal world, they'd be paid more, but standards would also be enforced, as they are NOT now in terms of the requirements to become a teacher as well as on what grounds one can be fired)-- it's certainly a lot better than what our other public servants earn (cops and firefighters), and approaches (and I would say eventually exceeds, based on the above numbers) many private-sector jobs such as programming.


However, if you want to be a good teacher, and really make a difference here in NY, it's a LOT of work. My sister breaks her ass for her class, and puts in a minimum of 2 hours of work per night (many times 3-4) preparing, grading etc. However, not every teacher does this, because there are few standards in terms of performance, and what standards the city attempts to enforce (reading tests etc.) are attacked. So it's currently all up to the individual teacher how well they prepare and how much work they put in, though that's slowly changing for the better (since the kids deserve dedicated teachers, not people who merely want to "get by").


Anyway, hope this helped. :)
 

Vgamer

Member
$60,000 seems pretty high for a teacher salary. Teachers get a ton of time off though thats generally why there pay is less.
 
let me try to help too :)

US Teacher Salaries

Average teacher salaries. California had the nation's highest average salary in 2002-03, at $55,693. States joining California in the top tier were Michigan, at $54,020; Connecticut, at $53,962; New Jersey, at $53,872; and the District of Columbia, at $53,194.

South Dakota had the lowest average salary in 2002-03, at $32,414. The other states in the bottom tier were Montana, at $35,754; Mississippi, at $35,135; North Dakota, at $33,869; and Oklahoma, at $33,277. Also in the lowest tier were the Virgin Islands, at $34,764; Guam at $34,738; and Puerto Rico, at $22,164.

Average beginning teacher salaries. Alaska had the highest average beginning salary in 2002-03, at $37,401. States joining Alaska in the top tier were New Jersey, at $35,673; District of Columbia, at $35,260; New York, at $35,259; and California, at $34,805.

Montana had the lowest average beginning salary in 2002-03, at $23,052. The other states in the bottom tier were Maine, at $24,631; South Dakota, at $24,311; North Dakota, at $23,591; and Arizona, at $23,548.

http://resource.educationamerica.net/salaries.html
 

RevenantKioku

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psycho_snake said:
I'm not exactly looking for tons of money. if I wanted to get loads of money, I would go for something to do with computers. For me, a good pay would be $60,000, but I'm not sure if a teacher can make that much money...

You can, but you'll have to be working for a long time to hit that mark, if ever.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Naz, those NY starting teacher salary figures are wrong. It's currently at $39,800 (or maybe it was $38,900?), with another 13-16%raise set to take effect next year, which, in three year's time, will put starting teachers at roughly $44K here in NY.
 
Loki said:
Naz, those NY starting teacher salary figures are wrong. It's currently at $39,800 (or maybe it was $38,900?), with another 13-16%raise set to take effect next year, which, in three year's time, will put starting teachers at roughly $44K here in NY.

I just google and paste um :)
 

psycho_snake

I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
naz said:
let me try to help too :)
States like california and new jersey seem to have pretty good wages, but then again, its also crap compared to other jobs.

The other job I would consider is a software engineer, hardware engineer, electronic enginner and a graphic designer. Graphic designing would be great but their pay is even less than teachers from what i have read. The other three pay very well. After 7 or 8 years in the industry you could be earning $80,000 or more, but I'm not sure about working hours, so could someone tell me about that.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
There was actually a really good article a few years back that was linked to me from e-mail about how these strippers made twice the amount of money that teachers did.
 
Willco said:
There was actually a really good article a few years back that was linked to me from e-mail about how these strippers made twice the amount of money that teachers did.

I've learned a lot from strippers they deserve it
 

teiresias

Member
I'm on the east coast and will have my Master's degree in electrical engineering in May (assuming everything goes according to plan). I've been quoted started salaries in the $75k to $80k range with a Master's at mainly government-centric jobs near and/or around DC and Baltimore. Private industry might be a bit more, but you have to understand as well that engineering salaries tend to top-out much faster, you'll start out relatively high but not get much higher later on.

Of course, if you get a PhD in engineering you could also try and be a university professor (this is in the US, not sure if you need a PhD elsewhere to be a university professor), but you'd have to really like research (I'm much more application oriented for example, so I could probably never be a professor).
 

Loki

Count of Concision
AirBrian said:
Suburbs are much more competitive than large cities. But $60K? :lol

Even in NY, my sister will be making $60K+ in under 10 years on the job. In addition, she had offers from suburban schools out on Long Island and in Jersey for $70K starting (more affluent communities tend to pay their teachers better, since in addition to state funding, they have local funding from higher property taxes etc.), but she wanted to work in the city, as she feels the kids here need it more than privileged children do. Then again, she did graduate cum laude from NYU with a 3.9 GPA, so perhaps those $70K starting offers weren't indicative of those made to every new teacher in the suburbs, but still-- $60K, even starting, is entirely attainable if one moves away from NYC, and even in NYC, you'll be making that much in 10 or so years on the job. :)


EDIT: Also, don't forget the optional summer school, where a teacher earns $30-35 per hour for about 20 hours of work per week, as well as the numerous after-school programs that also pay $35 per hour. In addition, many teachers now have certification (i.e., a Master's degree in said specialty) to teach special needs children (autism, learning disabilities etc.), where they can pull in between $50-75 per hour in home visits (this is what my sister is getting her Master's in as well). In short, I'd say that becoming a teacher today in NY is a much better decision, compensation-wise, than it was 10 years ago.
 

RevenantKioku

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Winged Creature said:
You need a PhD plus several years of post doctoral research to be a prof at most respected universities.

You could also look into being a lecturer. Not sure what the pay is, but its requirements aren't so high as a professor's.
 
Tommie Hu$tle said:
Figuring the time they get off from work. I would say yes.


seriously. My sister just started teaching (in a high school) and always whines about how teachers deserve to be paid better. Im like "You get the ENTIRE summer off, and EVERY holiday...STFU!"
 

RevenantKioku

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Ninja Scooter said:
seriously. My sister just started teaching (in a high school) and always whines about how teachers deserve to be paid better. Im like "You get the ENTIRE summer off, and EVERY holiday...STFU!"

Go try teaching, and then come back and say that.
 

yoshifumi

Banned
it depends a lot on the school district. teachers in my district made a lot of money; at my high school, we had gym teachers that were making over 100 thousand in a school year, which is pretty damn good for 9 months of work.
 

tedtropy

$50/hour, but no kissing on the lips and colors must be pre-separated
Ninja Scooter said:
seriously. My sister just started teaching (in a high school) and always whines about how teachers deserve to be paid better. Im like "You get the ENTIRE summer off, and EVERY holiday...STFU!"

Most teachers also have to take substancially more work HOME than alot of professions, in the form of grading, calling parents, etc. My buddy's wife was a teacher until she had a child. Believe me, they don't warrant getting paid less.
 

AeroGod

Member
My aunt teaches special education in ghettos of Cleveland. She makes almost 70 grand a year and they paid all her student loans.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
FortNinety said:
I think the fact that teachers get paid so little is a clear indication why our educational systems to so pathetic.

This isn't entirely true-- there are a great many competent, dedicated teachers in the system right now, and even if you paid them an extra $30K per year, it wouldn't change the system's results-- as measured by quantifiable standards (literacy rates, HS graduation rates etc.)-- one iota. Yes, teachers should get paid more, but increased pay only comes with uniformly high professional standards (as it should), which the teacher's unions are staunchly against (for some odd reason).


The biggest reason our schools are "failing" has to do with professional accountability, parental involvement (or the lack thereof), and lax discipline due to our culture (lack of personal responsibility leading to a blame game when a kid throws a desk at a teacher, threats of litigation etc.). No amount of teacher compensation is going to change all that. Yes, they deserve to get paid more, but the argument to be made for that has nothing at all to do with believing that the system will somehow start churning out bright, eager pupils and graduates if we raise pay by $30K. False, imo. :)
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
most places start teachers out betwee $30-40K...

It should be noted that while raises generally occur, they usually aren't much AND will hit a cap based on the teachers level of education.

In a number of the districts in metro Milwaukee, it is near impossible to make a decent amount (+50K) without at least one master..

I believe most districts in the area top out round $65-70K but that also will require multiple masters.
 

psycho_snake

I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
Ok, so now that I know about teachers (a short lesson really, become a stripper instead of a teacher) I want to know about software, hardware and electronic engineering. I'm sure we have quite a few of them in this forum. i just want to know what working hours are like.
 
Loki said:
This isn't entirely true-- there are a great many competent, dedicated teachers in the system right now, and even if you paid them an extra $30K per year, it wouldn't change the system's results-- as measured by quantifiable standards (literacy rates, HS graduation rates etc.)-- one iota. Yes, teachers should get paid more, but increased pay only comes with uniformly high professional standards (as it should), which the teacher's unions are staunchly against (for some odd reason).


The biggest reason our schools are "failing" has to do with professional accountability, parental involvement (or the lack thereof), and lax discipline due to our culture (lack of personal responsibility leading to a blame game when a kid throws a desk at a teacher, threats of litigation etc.). No amount of teacher compensation is going to change all that. Yes, they deserve to get paid more, but the argument to be made for that has nothing at all to do with believing that the system will somehow start churning out bright, eager pupils and graduates if we raise pay by $30K. False, imo. :)

You bring up some very valid points. But I still sane the value of of what teachers provide, which is education, an extremely important service, is criminaly undervalued.
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
ummm.. your hours are as many as their need to be.

most are 9-5 jobs but salary and require you to work until your job is finished.

I pretty much put in like 38-45 hours a week (software developer).. usually like a few times a year I might have to put in like 50-60 hours.
 

psycho_snake

I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
borghe said:
ummm.. your hours are as many as their need to be.

most are 9-5 jobs but salary and require you to work until your job is finished.

I pretty much put in like 38-45 hours a week (software developer).. usually like a few times a year I might have to put in like 50-60 hours.
It sounds really good, considering the pay you get.
 
IMHO teachers are over paid. My brother and sister in law are both teachers. They make over 100k a year between the two of them. Considering the hours they work? sheesh, must be nice. considering after the first year they have their curriculm laid out already. Tho they both have masters degrees or would not be paid as much. He teaches AP Comp Sci, she 7th grade pre alegebra. If you figure he works 8 months off with ABSOULUTELY no overtime. He probably makes more teaching than he would as a programer. hahah, he should tell his students that.

Then again, working in TV production is the sweetest deal of all. I work my ass off (70 hour weeks) for 8 months a year and get paid pretty good, better than a teacher :D

oh, if you're a teacher and you apply to teach summer school but do not get the job, you can collect unemployment. At least in CA you can.
 

psycho_snake

I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
borghe said:
lol... I never said what I was paid.. :lol

but thanks anyway. :D
I know you didn't mention what you got paid, but from whay I've read, most sofware engineers get paid 60K+, even from the start.
 

lachesis

Member
I don't know - I think teachers in general should be paid more.

I highly respect teachers for their dedication. It's hard work and a lot of responsiblity. Some of the urban schools, they endanger their own lives sometimes to teach in school. Higher paying school jobs will attract more quality school teachers to be, and thats just how I see it. With fraction of money being spent on Iraq.

Although I do enjoy teaching off and on - (I been tutoring during my younger days), but I just find it's physically hard to keep standing up and talk all day long, trying to be a good teacher - and that's not even trying being a "mentor".

My highschool math teacher in Iowa, was a trucker and dedicated biker during summer time. Kinda scary, but he was a very good, gentle person. ;) I remember my teachers, and I wish them all my best.

lachesis
 

Loki

Count of Concision
FortNinety said:
You bring up some very valid points. But I still sane the value of of what teachers provide, which is education, an extremely important service, is criminaly undervalued.

Yes, it is undervalued; in an ideal society, they'd start at around $55-65K. Other jobs/professions would also see increases in their pay. Unfortunately, we don't live in that society. My point was not that they don't deserve it, but rather that the fact that they are underpaid has little to do with the bad "results" (failing, illiterate students etc.) of our educational system, or vice versa. The point is that you can't make a causal link between the pay of teachers and the tragic state of education in the US, because such a link is just not there, and just not credible. Like I said, if all teachers woke up one day and were earning $30K more, do you think that, magically, in two years time, we'd see a huge increase in HS graduation rates or literacy rates? Doubtful. That was my point. :)


According to my mother, she feels that a big reason for the high HS drop-out rate, or the amount of kids who graduate HS but don't proceed onward to college, is because some people just aren't cut out for the academic world, for whatever reasons (they don't like sitting in one place, view it as boring, have no desire to learn, whatever); she points to the fact that there used to be two "tracks" in high schools back when she went to school: the academic track, and the vocational track. The people who didn't excel at academics (and thus would be less likely to go on to college) could choose to enroll in the vocational programs within the HS (auto mechanics, plumbing, carpentry, electrical work etc.), and would thus be better prepared to go out and hold down an actual job, instead of being in limbo with no marketable skills as they are currently if they have no desire to pursue a college degree. While I don't agree with her that that's the big reason for our abysmal graduation rates, I will admit that it couldn't hurt to offer such programs.
 
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