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[AtomicStarving]

That's a mountain of money for AI, holy shit. Clearly most of this goes to construction and energy investment, still...

I'm curious to see how Grok2 will evolve. Grok is best AI available on the market at the moment, imo, specially for coding and solving problems.

 

[newtypepilot]

 

[SJRB]

Sama's response, lmao

 

[LimanimaPT]

We could see this from other point of view.
Environment: The US don't give a shit.

We'll see in 50 years what kind of world our children live in.

 

[YCoCg]

I said I was in AI.

Oh that explains the bias.

 

[Aces High]

Meanwhile, in Europe,

EU is working hard on AI.

February 2nd 2025 is when the EU Artificial Intelligence Act comes into force, becoming the world’s first comprehensive set of rules for artificial intelligence.

Banned AI systems in EU:

AI systems that manipulate individuals' decisions subliminally or deceptively, causing or reasonably likely to cause significant harm.

AI systems that exploit vulnerabilities like age, disability, or socio-economic status to influence behavior, causing or reasonably likely to cause significant harm.

AI systems that evaluate or classify individuals based on their social behavior or personality characteristics, causing detrimental or unfavorable treatment.

AI systems that assess or predict the risk of an individual committing a criminal offence based on their personality traits and characteristics.

AI systems that create or expand facial recognition databases through untargeted scraping of facial images from the internet or CCTV footage.

AI systems that infer emotions in workplaces or education centers (except where this is needed for medical or safety reasons).

AI systems that categorize individuals based on their biometric data to infer their race, political opinions, trade union membership, religious or philosophical beliefs, sex life or sexual orientation.

AI systems that collect “real time” biometric information in publicly accessible spaces for the purposes of law enforcement (except in very limited circumstances).

Source

At this point I'm convinced Brussels and the WEF actually want to see Europe become irrelevant. The amount of policies that stifle business (climate), agriculture (some of our nations largest export) and (high-tech) innovation at an increasing rate is staggering and alarming.

On the contrary. WEF aims to make Euopean nations irrelevant. Their goal is a European super state. They created EU debts (which they weren't allowed) and they will introduce different EU-wide taxes on top of EU countries' taxes (which they aren't allowed either). The project is called NextGenerationEU.

There's some pros to that. It's basically a United States of Europe, which would be a global superpower like USA and China. So pro-EU folks argue that anti-EU folks must be manipulated by USA, China or Russis, because these countries don't want EU to become a single entity.

What these people ignore is that the EU is not really democratic. Much less so than single EU nations or the USA. EU Commission is the most powerful entity and its members don't get elected democratically. EU Comission constantly overrides national constitutional laws. These laws exist for a reason: they are the firewall of democracy. EU is a step back for freedom and we citizens never got asked asked if we want it. WEF guys just decided on it.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Meanwhile, in Europe,

I'm coming over there. Fuck this place.

 

[ManaByte]

I'm coming over there. Fuck this place.

Sorry we’re closed.

 

[YCoCg]

I'm coming over there. Fuck this place.

Oh so now Immigration is OK? Unless you can offer something substantial to the US then you need to stay in your place!

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Sorry we’re closed.

Oh so now Immigration is OK? Unless you can offer something substantial to the US then you need to stay in your place!

Obviously ya dunce.

 

[YCoCg]

This will only make the poor poorer,the rich richer and the general population more confused than ever before with the level of manipulation and indoctrination that AI will be a part of worldwide through social media,tv networks and across various entertainment media.

Tough shit, if you're poor, diddums, should've worked harder to not be poor. AI is the future and America will lead us the way forward. If you're easily manipulated then honestly you deserve to be, the pendulum is swinging back.

 

[Bojji]

Tough shit, if you're poor, diddums, should've worked harder to not be poor. AI is the future and America will lead us the way forward. If you're easily manipulated then honestly you deserve to be, the pendulum is swinging back.

The best way to not be poor in life is to be born rich.

Paris Hilton approves.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Source


What these people ignore is that the EU is not really democratic. Much less so than single EU nations or the USA. EU Commission is the most powerful entity and its members don't get elected democratically. EU Comission constantly overrides national constitutional laws. These laws exist for a reason: they are the firewall of democracy. EU is a step back for freedom and we citizens never got asked asked if we want it. WEF guys just decided on it.

The commission leader is voted by the EU parliament and institution that is 100% elected by the people. The commissioners one by each country are chosen by the council which is formed by the ministers of the democratically elected governments of the EU.

And while the commission can propose laws, it can do nothing without the approval of the democratically elected EU parliament.

The whole process is run by democratically elected people and it is so by design. The reason why the commission itself is not elected directly is to avoid being seen as the “EU president” above the national governments and thus competing with them - instead the commission is an appointed bureaucrat by the national governments.

My friend, don’t get absorbed by bad faith propaganda. Our enemies like Putin despise the EU because together we are big but separate we are small.

 

[MikeM]

Me watching my AMD and SMCI stock like

Please

 

[Oberstein]

I'm fed up with this European attitude of doing nothing, taking no risks, regulating in order to suffocate and, in the end, being the continent in decline when we were the continent of innovation last century.

 

[AGRacing]

The response to AI being used to customize a mRNA based treatment by one of the investors is frustrating. (His use of the word vaccine is frustrating as well).

My mother died of cancer in 2007. I remember reading for the first time shortly after about the potential promise of mRNA technology as applied to cancer.

But because we rolled out the technology in the way we did, telling your body to produce its own version of an engineered and potentially dangerous spike protein, unfortunately now the technology itself has a public perception problem. This is what happens when you misuse something powerful.

But if instructing your immune system to actually attack the specific cancer in your body is possible with this technology it could be a miraculous use case - and if AI is required to deliver that treatment I’m all for it.

 

[Aces High]

The commission leader is voted by the EU parliament and institution that is 100% elected by the people. The commissioners one by each country are chosen by the council which is formed by the ministers of the democratically elected governments of the EU.

And while the commission can propose laws, it can do nothing without the approval of the democratically elected EU parliament.

The whole process is run by democratically elected people and it is so by design. The reason why the commission itself is not elected directly is to avoid being seen as the “EU president” above the national governments and thus competing with them - instead the commission is an appointed bureaucrat by the national governments.

My friend, don’t get absorbed by bad faith propaganda. Our enemies like Putin despise the EU because together we are big but separate we are small.

The democratic integrity of the EU and its predecessor organisations has been subject of criticism since at least the 1970s.

EU people are lucky that yes-sayers didn't get their way. We've already had multiple reforms, but there are still major concerns about the democratic deficit of the EU today

At first glance, everything about the EU looks fine. But once you take a closer look, you see fundamental weaknesses for freedom and democracy.

Unlike in democratic states, EU citizens do not directly elect decision makers (except European Parliament, which holds no real power). The voice of the people gets watered down through multiple unneccesary buerocratic steps. Until today, there's no viable explanation for these processes. Decisions are made behind closed doors. Corporations, banks, and NGOs have more access to decision makers than citizens. By the time a policy is enforced, it has passed through so many layers that responsibility is hard to pinpoint. It's a buerocratic black box. If you can manipulate one single step, the outcome is no longer in the sense of the people.

Another problem is that the system is very vulnerable to exploitation through red herrings. Voters get a say in national problems. That's where the attention goes. But voters have no influence on EU policies. And in the end, the EU law overrides the national law. Be honest: As EU citizen, you always have the feeling that new laws fall from the sky. They come out of nothing. Media is like "btw tomorrow everyone has to do XY because of EU". There's no real opposition that checks on what is decided behind closed door. And if there's no opposition, people don't learn about what's going on.

Probably the biggest problem is that the EU is a deep state by design in the sense that its layered structure and staggered elections make political change extremely difficult. This is not a conspiracy. It's a structural flaw. Even if voters shift political power in parliament, the rest of the system (which is much more powerful) remains unchanged. So even if a political movement gains momentum, by the time it reaches decision making level, the conditions have already changed. The EU is designed to withstand disruptions, with all negative implications. It favors stability over democratic integrity. That's why people always say: No matter who they vote for, EU policies stay the same. We've had that in Fall 2024. Remember?

 

[IDKFA]

I'm fed up with this European attitude of doing nothing, taking no risks, regulating in order to suffocate and, in the end, being the continent in decline when we were the continent of innovation last century.

Stop thinking the EU is Europe. It's not.

There are nations in Europe within and outside the EU investing in AI.

The UK is poor as shit, but is still putting 14bn aside for AI

Artificial Intelligence: Plan to 'unleash AI' across UK revealed

Leading tech firms are said to have committed £14bn towards the project, which could create more than 13,000 jobs.

www.bbc.co.uk

Central and Eastern Europe are another example of AI investment

Central and Eastern Europe’s Bid for AI Dominance | by Soňa Muzikárová - Project Syndicate

Soňa Muzikárová outlines steps policymakers can take to harness the technology’s potential to boost growth and prosperity.

www.project-syndicate.org

Other countries like Switzerland and Norway are also heavily investing in AI.

Europe is investment in AI, just not on the same level for obvious reasons.

 

[jason10mm]

But if instructing your immune system to actually attack the specific cancer in your body is possible with this technology it could be a miraculous use case - and if AI is required to deliver that treatment I’m all for it.

There is a HUGE difference in public perception of a chemo treatment versus a virus vaccine. I dont think covid will affect it at all unless they start trying to push them as "cancer preventatives" but we already have the HPV vaccine essentially doing just that. Cancer is MUCH more scary that the flu.

 

[AGRacing]

There is a HUGE difference in public perception of a chemo treatment versus a virus vaccine. I dont think covid will affect it at all unless they start trying to push them as "cancer preventatives" but we already have the HPV vaccine essentially doing just that. Cancer is MUCH more scary that the flu.

Look at mRNA being discussed on X today. There’s a huge backlash to it even being mentioned right now. And it is deserved , frankly. But hopefully this application works and people are cured. Over time that will result in less pushback against the mention of mRNA.

 

[Spyxos]

Sama's response, lmao

 

[jason10mm]

Look at mRNA being discussed on X today. There’s a huge backlash to it even being mentioned right now. And it is deserved , frankly. But hopefully this application works and people are cured. Over time that will result in less pushback against the mention of mRNA.

Blah blah blah XXX, who cares?

Cancer treatments are discussed with the cancer patient. There are no public announcements or mandates. Therapy trials and manufacturers don't give a shit about X.

We've been doing CAR-T, crispr, and other types of ACTUAL gene modification stuff for YEARS, none of the anti-vax crowd gives a shit. mRNA as a technique for vaccines might be a hot topic but as an actual disease treatment it will be fine. Though I do agree that the "mah dead aborted fetus stem cells!" set the US back DECADES, and lo and behold fetal derived stem cells were totally unnecessary anyway.

 

[Oberstein]

Stop thinking the EU is Europe. It's not.

There are nations in Europe within and outside the EU investing in AI.

The UK is poor as shit, but is still putting 14bn aside for AI

Artificial Intelligence: Plan to 'unleash AI' across UK revealed

Leading tech firms are said to have committed £14bn towards the project, which could create more than 13,000 jobs.

www.bbc.co.uk

Central and Eastern Europe are another example of AI investment

Central and Eastern Europe’s Bid for AI Dominance | by Soňa Muzikárová - Project Syndicate

Soňa Muzikárová outlines steps policymakers can take to harness the technology’s potential to boost growth and prosperity.

www.project-syndicate.org

Other countries like Switzerland and Norway are also heavily investing in AI.

Europe is investment in AI, just not on the same level for obvious reasons.

I'm well aware of the various AI development programs across Europe, but that doesn't change the fact that we're no longer in the 19th or even the 20th century, and that AI can't be created in a garage like the first airplanes. What's more, there are no strong enough relays to impose Norwegian AI on the whole continent, and certainly not in America. I'm not talking about a start-up with a trendy app; it's not the same kind of idea that the little Swedish geniuses managed to pull off. Even less the idea of centralizing funds around a European project. The EU is incapable of putting a large-scale commercial project on the table without immediately turning it on its head with stupid standards and, above all, an ideological orientation that would make it ridiculous.

 

[El Muerto]

Larry Ellison, the guy in the pic in the op, want's to use Ai for policing. Almost like what China has.

Omnipresent AI cameras will ensure good behavior, says Larry Ellison

“We’re going to have supervision,” says billionaire Oracle co-founder Ellison.

arstechnica.com

 

[Stitch]

Meanwhile, in Europe,

 

[Ballthyrm]

Abundant energy, ChatGPT, iPads, and Ozempic. Already getting there!

I wouldn't say we have Abundant energy. Energy is still very expensive, expensive enough that it's a concern for most Americans, you consume a lot of it and you are a very rich country
Energy access and price is closely related to GDP. So we need a LOT MORE energy , and it needs to be a LOT cheaper.

Too cheap to meter for the common man cheaper. When only big industrial companies are getting electric bill you're starting to get there.

 

[Aggelos]

The singularity is nearer...

 

[YCoCg]

Larry Ellison, the guy in the pic in the op, want's to use Ai for policing. Almost like what China has.

Omnipresent AI cameras will ensure good behavior, says Larry Ellison

“We’re going to have supervision,” says billionaire Oracle co-founder Ellison.

arstechnica.com

This is a good thing, if you have nothing to hide then the AI won't target you.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

I meant Ai expansion in general.

People cheering on Ai are (in my opinion) like this:

No wonder that Ai is pushed so much by corporations...

Going to be terrible for those in the IT industry. I can see Ai taking over IT Help/Service Desk roles for even mundane things like secure password resets or account unlocks.

Will need to learn how to use a shovel and pick axe because in 10 years I'm sure there will be Ai driven automated systems in place to deal with such digital issues.

As someone said before, the rich will become richer and the poorer will become poorer.

 

[IntentionalPun]

As a software developer / architect in my mid 40s all the AI news is intimidating to everyone I know in this industry.

I think I’m probably fine as I’m sort of at the “top tech guy” level at any given company, and can talk tech strategy but I still worry. I’m too old to get into any sort of lucrative trade business (going to be an insane amount of construction and related jobs to build this stuff) and built a lifestyle on making a lot of money that would be tough to just downgrade to retail work or something.

Trying to shift to being more of a minimalist who doesn’t live like I’ve got terminal cancer and nobody to leave money behind to but it’s kinda tough. It’s something I’ve been wanting to do anyways, maybe prepare to retire to some cheaper country or something anyways.

 

[FullMetalx117]

In the great state of Texas too! Texas can't stop winning

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

The democratic integrity of the EU and its predecessor organisations has been subject of criticism since at least the 1970s.

EU people are lucky that yes-sayers didn't get their way. We've already had multiple reforms, but there are still major concerns about the democratic deficit of the EU today

At first glance, everything about the EU looks fine. But once you take a closer look, you see fundamental weaknesses for freedom and democracy.

Unlike in democratic states, EU citizens do not directly elect decision makers (except European Parliament, which holds no real power). The voice of the people gets watered down through multiple unneccesary buerocratic steps. Until today, there's no viable explanation for these processes. Decisions are made behind closed doors. Corporations, banks, and NGOs have more access to decision makers than citizens. By the time a policy is enforced, it has passed through so many layers that responsibility is hard to pinpoint. It's a buerocratic black box. If you can manipulate one single step, the outcome is no longer in the sense of the people.

Another problem is that the system is very vulnerable to exploitation through red herrings. Voters get a say in national problems. That's where the attention goes. But voters have no influence on EU policies. And in the end, the EU law overrides the national law. Be honest: As EU citizen, you always have the feeling that new laws fall from the sky. They come out of nothing. Media is like "btw tomorrow everyone has to do XY because of EU". There's no real opposition that checks on what is decided behind closed door. And if there's no opposition, people don't learn about what's going on.

Probably the biggest problem is that the EU is a deep state by design in the sense that its layered structure and staggered elections make political change extremely difficult. This is not a conspiracy. It's a structural flaw. Even if voters shift political power in parliament, the rest of the system (which is much more powerful) remains unchanged. So even if a political movement gains momentum, by the time it reaches decision making level, the conditions have already changed. The EU is designed to withstand disruptions, with all negative implications. It favors stability over democratic integrity. That's why people always say: No matter who they vote for, EU policies stay the same. We've had that in Fall 2024. Remember?

You're wrong in multiple steps there.

European Commission - Have your say

European Commission - Have your say

ec.europa.eu

These are the current initiatives and drafts there, and the future ones as well. Feel free to contact your MEPS about the ones you care about. Like here's one of mine:

Home | Pablo ARIAS ECHEVERRÍA | MEPs | European Parliament

Profile page - Pablo ARIAS ECHEVERRÍA - Home

www.europarl.europa.eu

You have the means to know what's coming, the specifities of it and you get the full info of the offices of the eurorepresentatives... now go and get enough people moving so when the vote comes they do something about it.

It's not europe's fault you're not paying attention.

 

[Bojji]

As a software developer / architect in my mid 40s all the AI news is intimidating to everyone I know in this industry.

I think I’m probably fine as I’m sort of at the “top tech guy” level at any given company, and can talk tech strategy but I still worry. I’m too old to get into any sort of lucrative trade business (going to be an insane amount of construction and related jobs to build this stuff) and built a lifestyle on making a lot of money that would be tough to just downgrade to retail work or something.

Trying to shift to being more of a minimalist who doesn’t live like I’ve got terminal cancer and nobody to leave money behind to but it’s kinda tough. It’s something I’ve been wanting to do anyways, maybe prepare to retire to some cheaper country or something anyways.

I work where there is a mix of manual labor, talking with customers and using computers. I think my job will be safe for many years BUT when cheap ass robots with build in chatgpt comes NO ONE will be safe.

Humanity is facing depopulation crisis in the future so in theory ai and robots will fix those issues. Problem is, population crisis is still xx years into the future but ai will be soon ready to destroy job market.

 

[E-Cat]

Dario Amodei of Anthropic says GPU clusters will be ”tens of millions” of chips by 2027. That is literally trillions of dollars

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

I love a lot of those A.I recreating a franchise/movie/game videos on youtube and also how they improve some nasty looking characters from games. But I got a bad feeling about this huge A.I investment. Just feel like something sinister might happen in the future.

 

[poppabk]

Meanwhile, in Europe,

They are working on the Large Hadron Collider. Can't have your rogue AI using regular nukes, that's boring - Europe should have something much better cooked by the time Skynet comes on line.

 

[MisterFalcon]

How to get 400 billion:

Say you have 100 billion

 

[Panajev2001a]

Those 20 data centers are going to employ a lot of people to build and staff.

Sure buddy… this is a small pool, you are being willfully disingenuous here…

 

[sono]

 

[EviLore]

Sabine should stick with physics.

 

[Hudo]

They are working on the Large Hadron Collider. Can't have your rogue AI using regular nukes, that's boring - Europe should have something much better cooked by the time Skynet comes on line.

They're planning an even bigger one: https://home.cern/science/accelerators/future-circular-collider

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

I love a lot of those A.I recreating a franchise/movie/game videos on youtube and also how they improve some nasty looking characters from games. But I got a bad feeling about this huge A.I investment. Just feel like something sinister might happen in the future.

Part of the whole thing is hype to keep investors happy. These tech companies are essentially as big as they can be with the current size of humanity. They need to go out and do things and promise more growth.

Chances are they were already planning on building more data centers and they repackaged normal ops as this thing.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[poppabk]

They're planning an even bigger one: https://home.cern/science/accelerators/future-circular-collider

Skynet gonna have all the toys.

 

[Badlucktroll]

how long until this shit turns into this

 

[jason10mm]

They are working on the Large Hadron Collider. Can't have your rogue AI using regular nukes, that's boring - Europe should have something much better cooked by the time Skynet comes on line.

Ah man, don't even mention that. Defuding the Superconducting Supercollider was just a massive ceeding of intellectual share to the euros.

 

[Idleyes]

As a software developer / architect in my mid 40s all the AI news is intimidating to everyone I know in this industry.

I think I’m probably fine as I’m sort of at the “top tech guy” level at any given company, and can talk tech strategy but I still worry. I’m too old to get into any sort of lucrative trade business (going to be an insane amount of construction and related jobs to build this stuff) and built a lifestyle on making a lot of money that would be tough to just downgrade to retail work or something.

Trying to shift to being more of a minimalist who doesn’t live like I’ve got terminal cancer and nobody to leave money behind to but it’s kinda tough. It’s something I’ve been wanting to do anyways, maybe prepare to retire to some cheaper country or something anyways.

I understand why the AI advancements feel intimidating, especially in such a fast-changing industry. It sounds like you’ve got the experience and adaptability to stay ahead, but preparing for a simpler, more cost effective lifestyle is a smart move. Have you considered Thailand? I’ve heard people with your skillset and mindset often thrive there due to the combination of their growing tech industry, being remote friendly & the low cost of living.

 

[poppabk]

Ah man, don't even mention that. Defuding the Superconducting Supercollider was just a massive ceeding of intellectual share to the euros.

Don't worry skynet will just hack the colliders computers and get the info it needs to create its super weapon.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Been on radar forever and finally bought. Bought some shares in Micron.

Waiting to buy some IBIT Bitcoin ETF (I've never bought anything related to crypto ever).

Also looking to get into AI. I'm trying to scope out smallcap AI companies that might zoom from $10 to $100 kind of thing if they get a contract and take off with a big company. If anyone has reco's please share! Missed out on Soundhound when I saw it at $3 last year.

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

As a software developer / architect in my mid 40s all the AI news is intimidating to everyone I know in this industry.

I think I’m probably fine as I’m sort of at the “top tech guy” level at any given company, and can talk tech strategy but I still worry. I’m too old to get into any sort of lucrative trade business (going to be an insane amount of construction and related jobs to build this stuff) and built a lifestyle on making a lot of money that would be tough to just downgrade to retail work or something.

Trying to shift to being more of a minimalist who doesn’t live like I’ve got terminal cancer and nobody to leave money behind to but it’s kinda tough. It’s something I’ve been wanting to do anyways, maybe prepare to retire to some cheaper country or something anyways.

This hits very close to home. While I have been in software development I am on the production/management side and I see the same feelings repeated by our team.

I have started rapidly downgrading my spending habits but don't know if that is because I am hedging against an unknown future in my industry or if this is something that occurs naturally as I age (mid 40's).

Cheers for sharing your exp. it's great to see other folks are in the same boat. Good luck on finding your paradise, I hope it works out!