Do you guys actually think Donald Trump can get the nomination

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He'll probably get the nomination. His responses to everything so far has been complete "blah." His opponents should stop attacking Hillary(who won't even be the Dem nominee...SANDERS!) and start calling trump out on his non-responses. Trump comes across as stupid as Palin. No way should he be leading the Republicans.
 
It's going to come down to "The number of insane things that come out of Trump's mouth" versus "The number of insane things that come out the rest of the candidates collective mouths in response".

And so far, Trump is winning that battle pretty soundly. Even when he says some completely indefensible bullshit - like ragging on P.O.W. veterans - it's immediately overshadowed by "10 year old rape victims should be forced to have babies".

As the clown car dwindles down the top, we'll say five worst/best candidates, I think it'll get a lot more interesting and I also think Trump is definitely going to make the final three.
 
A lot of people laughed off the possibility several weeks ago, but after the Fox debate and Trump's consistent domination in the polls, it is a lot less ridiculous notion to me than it was a month ago.

I still think, ultimately, he will not be the nominee, but I can no longer laugh off his prospects.
I think it says a lot more about the rest of the Republican field than it does about Trump.

I mean, we pretty much already knew that, but now it's becoming much more obvious.
 
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Yes, I still think that's more likely than not. However, when he released his immigration "policy" this week, that to me means this is not going to be over until then.
I'll give Trump credit for actually putting out policy details. even though it's pretty much unachievable and kind of insane, it's more than any other GOP candidate has done. Did Romney ever give any real substantive policy details, even during the general? It was always just vague ideas and repealing whatever Obama had done.
 
It's really going to depend on where supporters of other candidates go as their candidates drop out. Given Trump's very high unfavourables even amongst likely Republican voters I'm guessing they're going to go to someone like Walker, Bush or Rubio.
 
Short answer: No

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No. Maybe a 20% chance, which is probably the best of any of the candidates at the moment... but once the stragglers start dropping out, the establishment candidates will really start consolidating their support and that will make it very difficult for Trump to win. I can't see how or why Trump would add more support, to the extent of winning a nomination—everyone already knows who he is. His recognition is both his greatest strength and his greatest limitation.
 
No. Maybe a 20% chance, which is probably the best of any of the candidates at the moment... but once the stragglers start dropping out, the establishment candidates will really start consolidating their support and that will make it very difficult for Trump to win. I can't see how or why Trump would add more support, to the extent of winning a nomination—everyone already knows who he is. His recognition is both his greatest strength and his greatest limitation.

The establishment candidates are currently polling combined less than the "outsiders".

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/17/9164547/fox-poll-trump-carson
 
Many, many, many months still to go before the nominee is finalized. Let's wait until several candidates drop to see if his lead is still substantial. Despite him in the "lead" he still has only 25% of the votes within his own party.
 
If Donald Trump wins the nomination I'll make an ill-advised internet wager that I have no intention of following through on.
 
He will win the republican nomination, become president of the United States, beat off the Turian Invasion of 2017, lead humanity in our exploration of the Mass Effect relays, dominate the Citadel council with sheer force of will, single handedly defeat the Reapers, and pick blue.

Trump is Commander Shepard.
 
Trump's chances of getting the nomination are based on three main factors:

1. A ground game. Without a dedicated group of volunteers in all of the key early primary states, there's little chance that he can get enough of the early votes when they really count. So far, there isn't much indication that these local teams are being built by the Trump Campaign. This is one area where not being a politician hurts.

2. Trump's support ceiling. The big question is whether the supporters of the candidates who drop out will break to Trump or one of his competitors. Right now, the conventional wisdom states that Trump's ceiling is at 35% or so, so as the number of candidates dwindle, one of the other candidates will grow stronger while his base will stay at about the same level.

3. Endorsements from establishment figures. This will factor in superdelegate votes, but the bigger impact is that these endorsements will bring in more legitimacy to the campaign and bring in both donations and SuperPAC money. These will be important when Trump tries to appeal to voters outside of his regular base.

I don't think that Trump's chances of gaining the nomination have improved all that much. It probably sits around 10% or so with no signs of improving. However, Trump's big advantage is that he has pretty decent appeal to all of the main Republican primary voting demographics, and that he'll also do well with any Democratic voters that can vote in the Republican primary.

I think that one other big advantages is the sheer weakness of the Republican field. The big losers in the last round of polling are the establishment figures that are Trump's main competition (Bush, Walker, Rubio). The gainers are the ones who are likely to drop out early. If this continues, then Trump's chances will start inching up.
 
Not probable, but we can't rule it out. The field is too large, and the math involving delegates is too uncertain.

I'm cheering for a very unlikely situation: a brokered convention.

One odd side effect of our campaign finance rules in the wake of Citizens United is that all a candidate needs is a few high-dollar donors, and he's set for the long haul financially. The days where a candidate performs poorly in the early states, only to drop out as donations dry-up? Those days are gone. With enough cash banked early, multiple candidates can hang around a good deal longer into the process, dividing-up delegates and preventing the electorate from coalescing around one non-Trump candidate.

By my estimate, at the very least we'll see Cruz, Bush, Walker, Rubio, and Trump all be able to stick around well into March. We're still a looooong ways off from actual votes being cast, so this is purely academic.. but if Trump is topping-out around 25-30%, with the others all dividing-up the remaining vote, he could stick around and win some winner-take-all states' delegates and some proportionally-distributed states' delegates, giving him enough delegates to make waves at the convention.

I cheer for a brokered convention because it'd leave the GOP nominee broke and bruised, and there would be sore feelings from the faction of voters whose candidates didn't end-up on the ticket. That.. and it'd be pretty cool to witness some convention drama at least once in my lifetime. Save for the occasional hum-dinger of a convention speech (Clinton in 2012, Eastwood in 2012, Richards in 1988, etc), these pre-planned, hyper-coordinated events are pretty boring. 😋
 
Also, in May his favorables were 20/69. Now? 34/55. I don't think he'll cross the 40% favorable marker, but his favorables are slowly inching up. He's not rat poison he was beforehand to the average voter.

This number is higher for Republican primary voters.
 
I'm not US, but I don't see how Trump is that different from your normal republicans. Only difference I see is that Trump doesn't pretend to be anything else he is. I predict that people are so tired of lack of transparency that Trump will win republican nomination, but will not win the presidency.

I would never personally vote for him though.

Why again don't we only let informed voters vote?

Because is there a government institution that you would trust to make the decision on who is informed and who is not?
 
I'm not US, but I don't see how Trump is that different from your normal republicans. Only difference I see is that Trump doesn't pretend to be anything else he is. I predict that people are so tired of lack of transparency that Trump will win republican nomination, but will not win the presidency.

I would never personally vote for him though.



Because is there a government institution that you would trust to make the decision on who is informed and who is not?

Might as well ask if we can trust the government to actually count our votes too.
 
Conventional wisdom says no, but Trump's been laughing in the face of conventional wisdom so far. He really is a "wild card."

I think 4tran has a good point about his support ceiling though. Trump has to rely on more Republicans becoming "anti-establishment" as opposed to the establishment consolidating as its minor candidates fade off. He's been polling at about 25% for a while now -- which is certainly impressive & a double-digit lead... but it seems steady now as others are beginning to rise and fall.

My feeling is that too many Republicans are going to get upset that he's not Republican enough and try to force him into becoming independent. "True" Republicans would rather lose with a Bush than win with a Trump. Trump will either call their bluff and run independent, or concede and support a poor-choice Republican. Either of which basically guarantees Hillary in office.
 
Yes, of course. I am sure lot of americans have enough of this shit. It's Clinton's election to lose, but Sanders and Trump are wildcards who already grew far beyound what people expected. Every day people reporting that they now hit the limit, but they keep going, defying all odds. It's magical. I am sure they have a shot and I look forward to what happens.
 
My feeling is that too many Republicans are going to get upset that he's not Republican enough and try to force him into becoming independent. "True" Republicans would rather lose with a Bush than win with a Trump. Trump will either call their bluff and run independent, or concede and support a poor-choice Republican. Either of which basically guarantees Hillary in office.

I don't think the Republican base wants Jeb Bush. The issue that seems to resonate with them most is immigration and Trump has been very effective so far into tapping into the xenophobia of those people.
 
The Republican nomination? Probably. If these poll jumpers continue, it's very hard to argue someone like Jeb Bush who's getting 5% deserves the nomination. Him winning the presidency is all but impossible with how he's alienated the Hispanic and woman vote. Only delusional people think he'll be President. If they don't give him the nomination he'll most likely go independent, split the conservative vote and hand the presidency to the Democrats on a silver platter.
 
A brokered convention would be like sighting a unicorn. These conventions are nothing but hype festivals when in the past they used to actually serve a purpose and weren't scripted.

Hoping for it to happen.
 
Who can get the nomination?

It seems very easy to dismiss every Republican candidate for various reasons when looking at each one individually. It's an extremely weak field with a billion people in it. You're doing well if you find yourself with a 25% chance of winning the nomination.

People like to say this is a primary between Bush, Walker, and Rubio with everyone else being sideshows, but at the moment even the three combined aren't matching the numbers trump has in the polls. Walker and Rubio have absolutely no excitement behind them even after the debate, and Bush can't go a week without saying something increadibly stupid that he has to walk back.

Trump is a clown, but even a clown can beat those three jokes.
 
Might as well ask if we can trust the government to actually count our votes too.

Counting votes is one thing. It's quite clear what votes mean. One vote for candidate A, one vote for candidate B etc.

"Being informed" however, the meaning changes based on who you ask. For example, it could become that only those who have read the bible can vote. Others might define that only those can vote who are familiar with everything Shakespeare has done. What would the disgruntled people do about it? Vote against them in next elections?

Restricting voting rights is not the right solution. Educating the population better is.
 
Yes and no. He's the embodiment of everything republicans are and love. He's talks tough. No one talks tougher than Trump. He doesn't back down. Fox News backed down from Trump after he criticized Megyn Kelly's questions at the debate. He mocked Mccain's military record and McCain apologized to him. Trump can throw a quipy one liner better than the entire rest of the field. He's rich and Republicans care more about billionaires than anyone or anything else.

The only way he could inherently appeal to them more is if he wore a cowboy hat and boots. That's really all they care about.

He's the front runner and has been consistently since he jumped into the race. He's still gaining in polls since the debate. So yes, it is possible he can get the nomination and if things keep going in this direction he will.

He doesn't differ from the rest of the field in terms of policy much at all. Everyone of the primary candidates wants to build a wall along the Mexican border and arm it with troops. Every candidate wants to go to war with Iran. Every candidate wants to cut taxes for the ultra wealthy and corporations. The only difference is that Trump is an experienced media figure and has been for decades and he says everything with bombast compared to how the rest of them who come off as unnatural because they're trained politicians.

As soon as Trump announced his candidacy everyone said he was dead in the water for calling Mexican immigrants rapists and losing his media gig with NBC and other corporate deals. Turns out Republican primary voters largely agree and love that he said that. As soon as Trump made his comments on McCain's military career everyone said he was done for and there were multiple call from media and party figures from him to drop out of the race. Trump didn't back down and soon enough McCain apologized to Trump for calling Trump supporters crazies. All the Republican base care about is that Trump is a tough guy who doesn't apologize. Trump understands the Republican id better than any member of the party and any media figure and news analyst.

But Trump is currently 100% dependent on two people's approval; Rush Limbaugh and Roger Ailes, both of whom currently adore him. If he loses them, he's done. And Trump doesn't know when to stop and when to shut up. I believe he will eventually push them too far and he'll lose it. But at this point and time it's his race to lose.

Personally, I don't think Trump has to worry about Jeb Bush. Jeb Bush's debate performance was a disaster. I don't remember a single thing he said and everyone else on the stage at least had a moment. I think the person Trump has to worry about is John Kasich. Fox News established that the top 10 debate would be decided by the 5 most recent reputable national polls. Ailes and Fox News threw out of of those polls in favor of another just so that John Kasich would make it into the debate over Rick Perry. He handled himself much better and more dynamically than Jeb. He's worked for Fox News and Ailes personally likes him and they're willing to break their own rules for him. I think if you're going to see the establishment coalesce around anyone against Trump, it's going to be him.
 
Yes and no. He's the embodiment of everything republicans are and love. He's talks tough. No one talks tougher than Trump. He doesn't back down. Fox News backed down from Trump after he criticized Megyn Kelly's questions at the debate. He mocked Mccain's military record and McCain apologized to him. Trump can throw a quipy one liner better than the entire rest of the field. He's rich and Republicans care more about billionaires than anyone or anything else.

The only way he could inherently appeal to them more is if he wore a cowboy hat and boots. That's really all they care about.

He's the front runner and has been consistently since he jumped into the race. He's still gaining in polls since the debate. So yes, it is possible he can get the nomination and if things keep going in this direction he will.

He doesn't differ from the rest of the field in terms of policy much at all. Everyone of the primary candidates wants to build a wall along the Mexican border and arm it with troops. Every candidate wants to go to war with Iran. Every candidate wants to cut taxes for the ultra wealthy and corporations. The only difference is that Trump is an experienced media figure and has been for decades and he says everything with bombast compared to how the rest of them who come off as unnatural because they're trained politicians.

As soon as Trump announced his candidacy everyone said he was dead in the water for calling Mexican immigrants rapists and losing his media gig with NBC and other corporate deals. Turns out Republican primary voters largely agree and love that he said that. As soon as Trump made his comments on McCain's military career everyone said he was done for and there were multiple call from media and party figures from him to drop out of the race. Trump didn't back down and soon enough McCain apologized to Trump for calling Trump supporters crazies. All the Republican base care about is that Trump is a tough guy who doesn't apologize. Trump understands the Republican id better than any member of the party and any media figure and news analyst.

But Trump is currently 100% dependent on two people's approval; Rush Limbaugh and Roger Ailes, both of whom currently adore him. If he loses them, he's done. And Trump doesn't know when to stop and when to shut up. I believe he will eventually push them too far and he'll lose it. But at this point and time it's his race to lose.

Personally, I don't think Trump has to worry about Jeb Bush. Jeb Bush's debate performance was a disaster. I don't remember a single thing he said and everyone else on the stage at least had a moment. I think the person Trump has to worry about is John Kasich. Fox News established that the top 10 debate would be decided by the 5 most recent reputable national polls. Ailes and Fox News threw out of of those polls in favor of another just so that John Kasich would make it into the debate over Rick Perry. He handled himself much better and more dynamically than Jeb. He's worked for Fox News and Ailes personally likes him and they're willing to break their own rules for him. I think if you're going to see the establishment coalesce around anyone against Trump, it's going to be him.
You might also add that he is filthy rich to the point where he is the most independent candidate and that has it's appeal too. He seems like not being indebted to any company like the others and thus not like a sock puppet. As a german I like that sound a lot (even if I don't like most of Trump's anything), our own former chancellor betrayed us and defected to russia after all.
 
Also, in May his favorables were 20/69. Now? 34/55. I don't think he'll cross the 40% favorable marker, but his favorables are slowly inching up. He's not rat poison he was beforehand to the average voter.

This number is higher for Republican primary voters.
But lower for the D voters who will cross over in open primaries. :-P
 
It feels weird to say this, but I could see it happening. The thing is, we're running on the idea that most of the main candidates will drop off and pool support behind Walker/Bush/Rubio. A couple things have come up that have me doubting some of that

1. Bush has no charisma. At all. That 1st debate was horrible.

2. Not sure how Scott Walker's performance was viewed by conservatives, but it didn't feel that good either. Idk about him, I just can't see it happening the same way I can see it with the other two.

3. For candidates like Walker, Carson, Huckabee, and especially Cruz, their support could go to Trump.

Again, I still put his chances of winning low, but it wouldn't be a miracle to me, unless he flames out some other debate.

My guess is on Rubio right now for who wins the nomination
 
He is winning by landslide in almost every poll.
Weak competition, no significantly strong candidates.
Republicans loves the crazy

Yeah the possibility is there
 
The nomination...maybe, perhaps, probably not, but the pool of crazies is big enough to make it possible.

The presidency...I sure assume and hope not. I mean, seriously, when you ask the general public, there have to be enough sane people that get to the booths to prevent such a catastrophy, right?
 
NeoGAF is quickly turning into NeoTRUMP. The guy's a clown and was good for a laugh when this shit kicked off, but I'm really looking forward to getting past the point when this sack of shit is all anyone wants to talk about.

Of course he has a chance, unfortunately. I don't think any of the Republican candidates should be considered "electable" by an electorate that could be considered "sane". Whether or not the American electorate is sane is another discussion.
 
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