Speaking of which, I've just found the article when negotiations broke down and it has possibly the best line I've ever read:
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Doctor Who Series 10 |OT| He's Back, and It's About Time
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Speaking of which, I've just found the article when negotiations broke down and it has possibly the best line I've ever read:
Miles Quaritch
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Bill was pretty good, a nice start to her time as companion. Shame the episode was so bloody boring. Jesus...
This is final season with Capaldi right? Hopefully a new Doctor will shake things up next season. What I can't get over is how you waste someone like Capaldi, he always looks so bored.
This is final season with Capaldi right? Hopefully a new Doctor will shake things up next season. What I can't get over is how you waste someone like Capaldi, he always looks so bored.
I really liked the fact that the plot was kinda there, and it was character led. Bill already is Worlds ahead of Clara character wise.
SlipperyFishes
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I'm pretty sure that it would have been a riff on this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8G5jYKwxuFc
Warning: This is gross when you look at the stereotypical presentation of homosexuality and I'm surprised it was even aired on tv once never mind six times on a channel 4 in the late 90s.
paradox121
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After ever so slightly tearing up when Bill finds the photos of her mum it made me realise something.
a) Moffat clearly hates mother characters (which is ironic given RTD had three companions with basically the same bossy mum archetype)
and b) Clara was such an empty character in comparison. Don't get me wrong, I actually liked the character, and Jenna Coleman gave some killer performances, but she was only really existent alongside the Doctor. She never really stood on her own.
Bill, in comparison, feels so much like a person it slightly took me aback. I get Bill in a way I never really got Clara. And Mackie is just so effortlessly warm you have to love her. Also her theme is awesome.
Puddle monster was fine and Nardole weirdly makes sense but probably only for the 12th Doctor. And once again fuck the Sun for spoiling the John Simm reveal.
But it's so good to have 11 more weeks of Doctor Who to look forward to. And if the show wants to focus all in on Bill then bring it on.
a) Moffat clearly hates mother characters (which is ironic given RTD had three companions with basically the same bossy mum archetype)
and b) Clara was such an empty character in comparison. Don't get me wrong, I actually liked the character, and Jenna Coleman gave some killer performances, but she was only really existent alongside the Doctor. She never really stood on her own.
Bill, in comparison, feels so much like a person it slightly took me aback. I get Bill in a way I never really got Clara. And Mackie is just so effortlessly warm you have to love her. Also her theme is awesome.
Puddle monster was fine and Nardole weirdly makes sense but probably only for the 12th Doctor. And once again fuck the Sun for spoiling the John Simm reveal.
But it's so good to have 11 more weeks of Doctor Who to look forward to. And if the show wants to focus all in on Bill then bring it on.
APZonerunner
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RTD has written about this a fair bit - it's well worth reading, really interesting and funny. There's a few commentaries where he talks about it and in his memoirs from the time running Who he goes into a fair bit of detail on it. He says he's well aware of this and puts it down to growing up in a small town in Wales where all the men would go off and do manual labor jobs and the town was basically run by all the strong, no-nonsense, gossiping, loving, shouting archetypal mums. He basically said, y'know, his growing up was growing up in a town ran by variations of Jackie Tyler.
One of the things I've always found interesting about Moffat is the sort of - he has an archetype too, but it's with the dads. The dads are always the bumbling prats - thoughtful and loving but vaguely useless compared to the mums. Rory, Brian, the dad in the Library, etc. When he speaks about his own boys I get the impression those characters are written of a projection of how Moffat sees himself, haha.
If we're looking to the future, Brian was written (if not necessarily created) entirely by Chibnall, remember.
APZonerunner
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Not created, but the way that stuff has always been passed down is that 'major' guest characters especially where related to companions are handed down whole cloth. Same for how Jack was introduced by Moffat but really Moffat was just singing from RTD's hymn sheet. I mean, you're right, of course, but the thing I'd be keen to point out is that Brian & the other Who dads are 100% in line with every dad Moffat's written elsewhere. Chibnall actually has some really different types of parent characters under his belt compared to RTD and Moffat, so I hope we see some really new stuff from him in that regard.
I do think Chibnall's era will return to the family focus RTD had though, if perhaps not quite as frequent/soap opera.
EvilRedEye
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I watched Rose the day before The Pilot aired so it was hard to not compare them a little. There was one section that bugged me a bit. About five minutes in they're talking about Bill becoming a student.
BILL: I haven't even applied.
DOCTOR: We'll sort all that out later.
BILL: You kind of need to sort all that out earlier.
DOCTOR: Leave it with me. I'm assuming that that's a yes.
[Pause.]
BILL: Yes.
DOCTOR: I'll see you at 6pm every week day. I don't care who's dead, never ever be late. I'm very particular about time
[Bill turns away uncertainly then looks back.]
BILL: Oh, um.
At this point I'm thinking, right, she's going to ask about how this is going to work in terms of finances, particularly as she's supposed to be more of a working-class kind of character. But...
BILL: People just call you the Doctor. What do I call you?
I think it's a bit unrealistic in this era of £10k-a-year tuition fees that an actual person wouldn't address the issue of student financing, even in the context of a personal tutor arrangement. If they're talking about sorting things out with the uni then presumably she ends up on some actual course where she'll get an actual degree at the end. I feel like if RTD was still writing the show it's something he would have addressed rather than glossed over.
BILL: I haven't even applied.
DOCTOR: We'll sort all that out later.
BILL: You kind of need to sort all that out earlier.
DOCTOR: Leave it with me. I'm assuming that that's a yes.
[Pause.]
BILL: Yes.
DOCTOR: I'll see you at 6pm every week day. I don't care who's dead, never ever be late. I'm very particular about time
[Bill turns away uncertainly then looks back.]
BILL: Oh, um.
At this point I'm thinking, right, she's going to ask about how this is going to work in terms of finances, particularly as she's supposed to be more of a working-class kind of character. But...
BILL: People just call you the Doctor. What do I call you?
I think it's a bit unrealistic in this era of £10k-a-year tuition fees that an actual person wouldn't address the issue of student financing, even in the context of a personal tutor arrangement. If they're talking about sorting things out with the uni then presumably she ends up on some actual course where she'll get an actual degree at the end. I feel like if RTD was still writing the show it's something he would have addressed rather than glossed over.
Sir_Crocodile
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While watching it I got the distinct feeling the doctor would be paying for it
So one of the panelists on Whovians (it's an Australian post-episode panel show that just weirdly came into existence this year) just pointed out that the photos of Bill's mum
Forgive me if this a thing that everybody but me instantly got. It fits kinda perfectly.
were almost certainly planted, maybe even taken, by the Doctor.
Forgive me if this a thing that everybody but me instantly got. It fits kinda perfectly.
Commander Jameson
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I just thought that because it was after 6pm, the implication was that it was on The Doctor's free time and so, no fees would be required.
SlipperyFishes
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He was seen to be taking the photos via mirror reflection. It's not really a spoilerific thing at this stage.
Bill paid no fees because she wasn't at the university as a student. The doctor just took her on for free.
The Doctor is seen in a mirror with a camera in one of the photos. What I didn't get until a rewatch is that it's implied he planted them at Bill's flat as a Christmas present.
The next episode is actually set on Student Finance England's exoplanet home.
The Elite
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Time Lord. I don't need a scene sorting out finances. I don't think RTD would put us through that either.
SlipperyFishes
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Yeah that was pretty lovely and another way for him to get Bill to ask more questions like how did the rug end up under your box?
Ohh that makes sense. Our digital catch-up service in Australia provides their content in glorious 360p (I'm not exaggerating for effect, it's literally that) so I couldn't make out who or what that was.
Succinct Verbosity
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Huge improvement over recent outings. Hopefully it stays that way.
Oh wow, I didn't consider that. That's so sweet.
Yep. They went the subtle route here with it being a 'you can connect the dots anyway you like, but it boils down to The Doctor sorting it out.' Whether that means he teaches her in his free time, or he's pulled some strings, or he's paying for it, it's all irrelevant because it's just a way to bypass the b) in the following.
a) Be my student.
b) ?
c) You're my student now.
Oh, I thought it was because the TARDIS is making noises at him and he says 'oh not you too...' (or similar). So when he goes outside and she asks what made him change his mind, he told her (it was the TARDIS).
The Gay Daleks feature in one of Victor Lewis Smith's series.
Ah, here we are : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpTSp5ArKfQ
The (new Doctor possible leak)
speculation is picking up steam - just about every newspaper is running with it now.
The major problem I have with the speculation is
That said, assuming it's true
And then there's the alternative theory I've seen going around Twitter which is
Kris Marshall
The major problem I have with the speculation is
he must have made the decision to leave Death in Paradise in mid-2016 - the fact he left the show on screen at the same time Capaldi announced he was leaving Who is a massive coincidence. I've still not seen an article that actually addresses this.
That said, assuming it's true
he came in to Death in Paradise when everyone was expecting it to die without Ben Miller and if anything I've heard some people say it's better now. I can't see him blowing people away but he'd be a solid choice.
And then there's the alternative theory I've seen going around Twitter which is
he's the Valeyard.
Sir_Crocodile
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Yep, a lot of people preferred it with him in fact. I liked both.
Spectromixer
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So I guess the
rumor was false then?
Richard Rankin
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Really hope they keep up the Teacher/Student dynamic with these two, I think it works really, really well.
Ugh, I really don't like him. I hope it's not true.
When I first heard this I googled him and I'm not going to lie he's pretty hot
mightynine
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I wonder how long it will take me to stop seeing 'Colin, God Of Sex' if he's the pick.
Yeah, I really don't like the guy. Not much would make me stop watching, but him being cast would test that.
If the rumor is true I imagine we'll see a BBC announcement event soon.
the_firewithin
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I enjoyed the premier decent enough. Bill was OK but for some reason the way she dresses bugs me. Matt lucas reaction to the bigger on the inside line made me laugh
OT but Class wasn't as terrible as it looked. The only character I liked was the bitchy teacher/guardian but the show doesn't seem like it will be overall good
OT but Class wasn't as terrible as it looked. The only character I liked was the bitchy teacher/guardian but the show doesn't seem like it will be overall good
Again,this is complete horseshit.
http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/moffat-daleks-are-not-a-contractual-obligation-68881.htm
APZonerunner
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RTD talks about the 'every year' thing in The Writers Tale - specifically about feeling smug about finding a way to slot a Dalek into the Tennant specials year without actually having them appear in a traditional role (the one that appears very briefly in The Waters of Mars). He's also said on a few occasions things like that if it were entirely up to him/that simple he'd have skipped them in Series 3 to properly focus on the Master, etc.
So this might've changed. But it definitely existed, from the horses' mouth. I'm not sure why the Nation Estate's position would weaken when their property is now more popular than ever. The relationship definitely changed, though; in the early years of the reboot they demanded hands on scripts and all that for anything Dalek - it seems like they've cooled their jets on all that now.
Mind you, in that interview what I see is not Moffat definitively saying a contractual obligation doesn't exist; I see what could easily be construed either way and what might be a very cleverly phrased answer to obfuscate giving an answer that could aggravate the Nation estate. Specifically:
"You certainly don't wheel the Daleks out because you've got a contractual obligation to provide Dalek. I think Doctor Who is great when there are Daleks in it [and] I don't think you should go too long without Daleks."
He's not saying there is no contractual obligation (which as we definitively know there was under his predecessor), he's saying he'd put them in either way because what is Doctor Who without them? Which is fair enough.
MHWilliams
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I would hope the latter spoiler is true in that case.
Boring choice if true.
Not female. Not minority. Not even hot. Bland blandy mcblanderson.
CalamityPixel
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He's a good actor, always liked him. Nothing bland about him.
Sir_Crocodile
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I've liked him a lot in two different series. Dunno where you're getting bland from.
The Elite
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It was.
aHebrewMenagerie
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That's kind of the point, the Beeb want David Tennant pt 2, don't blame them either
When Bill gets all the photos, she sees the doctor taking the photo in a mirror or something. Why didn't she ask him about it?
I wouldn't dismiss an actor just because said actor is neither female nor a minority. You make it sound as if simply having a minority or female doctor would automatically make it a better choice.
I wouldn't dismiss an actor just because said actor is neither female nor a minority. You make it sound as if simply having a minority or female doctor would automatically make it a better choice.
peanutbutterlatte
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I loved the
"new Doctor" in My Family... he pulled off zany weirdo well enough there. And he's weird looking whilst still suitably endearing.
EvilRedEye
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I can see why the perception of him is a bit weak as
he played a bland everyman in the BT ads for years and it's probably the most ubiquitously consumed piece of work he's done, as well as being well remembered as it was repetitively broadcast to drum in the advertising message.
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