Quick Mustard
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Nah, it cant be the brig, he wasnt born until around 1929/1930.
Unless they fuck about with the timeline for him, its probably the brigs father.
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Doctor Who Series 10 |OT| He's Back, and It's About Time
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Nah, it cant be the brig, he wasnt born until around 1929/1930.
Unless they fuck about with the timeline for him, its probably the brigs father.
Hot Coldman
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Ah, OK, makes more sense.
CrimsonFist
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infiniteloop
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retconning the glowey hands eh.
paradox121
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Frozen in a single moment of time is a solid enough excuse for drawing old characters back in.
I kinda wish the episode could just be The Doctor, Puddle Bill and Nearly Dead Clara solving the mystery together. And then Nardole, Heather and Ashildr hanging out in a pub together, waiting for everyone to get back.
aHebrewMenagerie
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That Hartnell morphing into Bradley is some uncanny levels of fuckery. Trailer looks dope though.
funkystudent
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I think its all Bradley in that opening shot. They just made it look old.
Actually googling it. I guess they used the old audio?
https://youtu.be/Nv22tftlCWU?t=4m18s
I dunno whats going on. Whatever they did it looked cool.
Footage from the panel, Capaldi getting a standing ovation and gives a short speech.
Looking forward to the full thing.
Looking forward to the full thing.
Exterminieren
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Hah- the frozen WWI soldier is apparently played by Toby Whithouse! 
EvilRedEye
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Speculation from the trailer:
Seems very unclear who the antagonist for this story might be and it's interesting that Gatiss has been announced as some kind of major character yet seems to disappear at some point past his introductory scenes. Makes me wonder whether his character will actually turn out to be the bad guy of the story.
CrimsonFist
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Hah- the frozen WWI soldier is apparently played by Toby Whithouse!
Wonder if Moffat will sneak into a scene too.
GarthVaderUK
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Here we go!
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQmIiOnM_zE
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hNODfxIBpQ
acheron_xl
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Nice fake Polly in that clip.
"What would Doctor Who continuity be without blatant and unresolvable contradiction?" xD
Remember that "Trust Me" show that people began theorizing it was a fake show to hide the casting of Jodie Whittaker?
Well, here's the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmELIRcuuXY
Well, here's the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmELIRcuuXY
Hah- the frozen WWI soldier is apparently played by Toby Whithouse!
I do hope this doesn't mean Whithouse is leaving (whenever he's done cameos before it's usually in a show's final series). As much as the fanbase ragged on Lie of the Land he's one of the few writers who can actually pull off a "Doctor has a moral conflict" plot.
So Suits with doctors and more tragic?
Are we even getting any previous writer for s11? Either way, I'm curious to see how many writers the BBC will provide for Chibnall's writers' room.
Well, we don't know anything besides the Radio Times saying Chibnall was looking to put together a writer's room and Mathieson's AMA in which he said he hadn't been approached and thought Chibnall was working with people he'd worked with before. But there's no official confirmation of anything.
I reckon we'll hear more details in a big block closer to Christmas; remember we spent last year being drip-fed.
(I've done a bit of research on this so if anyone's interested I could write up a list of potential s11 writers and their likelihood)
Exterminieren
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I've seriously, profoundly gone off Whithouse as a writer. Even his best script (The God Complex, by a mile) is riddled with serious flaws, and his worst scripts are unwatchable in a way that we haven't seen since Stephen Thompson stopped getting invited back.
A few years ago I was calling for him to be showrunner, but Being Human was a LONG time ago now.
A few years ago I was calling for him to be showrunner, but Being Human was a LONG time ago now.
tonysidaway
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I thought it might be Churchill, though Gatiss is obviously not going out of his way to play that part. But Churchill's commission with the Scots Fusiliers was a Lieutenant-Colonel, and Gatiss's uniform and demeanour suggest a much more lowly rank. The conspicuous absence of helmets also suggests an earlier point in the war, long before Churchill resigned from the Admiralty following the Gallipoli debacle.
So, given that this is a Christmas episode, I agree with somebody's suggestion that this is going to be about the 1914 Christmas Truce.
There may well be a Brigadier connection, but if so it's going to be his father.
Quick Mustard
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Lol, love the line "I'm not a real Doctor."
Can see that getting some use in fan made videos.
paradox121
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I still have a huge soft spot for Vampires of Venice but I think a lot of that is the visuals.
It's interesting, actually, that a lot of Whithouse's episodes have great synopses or elevator pitches, but actually rewatching them makes you notice their glaring problems.
For me it's the other way around, the dialogue in Venice is fun but the visuals are sloppy. And I don't think it's that great. But I greatly enjoyed my rewatch of God Complex earlier.
Ignatz Mouse
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I don't much like any of his stories except Under the Lake/Before the Flood. And even that's not amazing or anything, just solid.
On a different note, I'm near the end of S4 on my rewatch, and it's cemented for me that S3-4 was the peak of the show. The Capaldi seasons have gotten better each year, but nothing beats S3-4.
I'll see if I warm up to S5-7 the second time around, but I doubt they'll suddenly be better than this. Silence in the Library is pretty amazing is how much is going on and still hangs together. It's epic.
On a different note, I'm near the end of S4 on my rewatch, and it's cemented for me that S3-4 was the peak of the show. The Capaldi seasons have gotten better each year, but nothing beats S3-4.
I'll see if I warm up to S5-7 the second time around, but I doubt they'll suddenly be better than this. Silence in the Library is pretty amazing is how much is going on and still hangs together. It's epic.
aHebrewMenagerie
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3-5 is definitely an extremely strong run, but I think 9 and 10 are definitely pretty high quality as well
Ignatz Mouse
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They're good. But I am loving the rewatch.
S5 is the one I wonder about the most. I liked it OK (with reservations) the first time, but I didn't like Smith. But after S6-7, I'll probably view is more favorably.
funkystudent
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"Clearly this is some kind of clerical error. I'm not a doctor, I'm THE doctor. Damn these NHS funding cuts"
acheron_xl
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S5 is very overrated.
Pagusas
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I don't think you will. Smith was horrible in season 5 and the writing was too. I disliked the whole run though (I don't blame smith he grew on me, I blame the writing). I didn't realize how much I hated it until I went back and started rewatching seasons 1-4, my god 3 and 4 just obliterate everything else with how good they can be (yes there is trash in there, but the highs are untouchable)
aHebrewMenagerie
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Your mom is overrated!
I think S5 is far and away the best year of Who. It's the only one I can think of as being not just a great season of Doctor Who but a great season of television, period. Even its bad episodes aren't all that bad. It certainly helps that the whole thing is kicked off by what's probably the ultimate (new) Who episode with The Eleventh Hour.
APZonerunner
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4 and 5 are the best pair - 5 has higher highs and lower lows whereas 4 is more consistent. I'd say they're about equal though.
I really much prefer the characterisation of Smith's Doctor in Series 5 though. They soften him significantly as the series progresses (and in this you can even sense the filming order at work - he's kinder in The Eleventh Hour (third filmed) than Time of Angels/Flesh & Stone (first/second), and kinder still in stuff like The Lodger.
Those early days though, where he's truly furious at Amy for disobeying an order, or where he actually snaps and shouts at River "What else have you got?!" -- it's a way more interesting take. I always figured that was a hang-up from when Moffat had originally intended to cast someone older than Tennant, someone darker, grumpier, since those earliest-filmed scripts were written six or more months before Smith was cast. I actually prefer that version of 11 though. We ultimately got this again with the early days of 12, though the weird thing is that Capaldi is better as the fairytale magical professor with a twinkle in his eye as he is later than the angry man, whereas I think Smith is actually better as the angry, eccentric young man with explosive energy than he is the fairytale alien (though he's very good in that opposite children).
I really much prefer the characterisation of Smith's Doctor in Series 5 though. They soften him significantly as the series progresses (and in this you can even sense the filming order at work - he's kinder in The Eleventh Hour (third filmed) than Time of Angels/Flesh & Stone (first/second), and kinder still in stuff like The Lodger.
Those early days though, where he's truly furious at Amy for disobeying an order, or where he actually snaps and shouts at River "What else have you got?!" -- it's a way more interesting take. I always figured that was a hang-up from when Moffat had originally intended to cast someone older than Tennant, someone darker, grumpier, since those earliest-filmed scripts were written six or more months before Smith was cast. I actually prefer that version of 11 though. We ultimately got this again with the early days of 12, though the weird thing is that Capaldi is better as the fairytale magical professor with a twinkle in his eye as he is later than the angry man, whereas I think Smith is actually better as the angry, eccentric young man with explosive energy than he is the fairytale alien (though he's very good in that opposite children).
neurosisxeno
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I'm dedicated to finishing this season, but it certainly isn't great. I feel bad for Capaldi, I feel like with better writing he would have been a great Doctor, after Season 9 I'm ready for him to go...
Edit: The Monks are just a poor mans Silence...
Edit: The Monks are just a poor mans Silence...
EverythingShiny
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I absolutely love Peter Capaldi (The Thick of It is one of my favorite shows) but I stopped watching after his second episode in Season 8. I binged 8 and 9 over the weekend and man, I think he may be my favorite doctor. Heaven Sent was a brilliant episode of television and one of my favorites of the new series. It broke my heart a little bit.
I'm starting season 10 tonight. I'm so bummed it's already over for him but I'm also really looking forward to seeing what Jodie Whittaker can do.
Also... you guys having to wait 400+ days between season 9 and 10 is one of the reasons I stopped watching back in Season 8. I watched all of Tennant and Smith's seasons as they aired and the waits between seasons can be absolutely excruciating. It's pretty nice to be able to binge 3 seasons in a row for a change.
I'm starting season 10 tonight. I'm so bummed it's already over for him but I'm also really looking forward to seeing what Jodie Whittaker can do.
Also... you guys having to wait 400+ days between season 9 and 10 is one of the reasons I stopped watching back in Season 8. I watched all of Tennant and Smith's seasons as they aired and the waits between seasons can be absolutely excruciating. It's pretty nice to be able to binge 3 seasons in a row for a change.
tonysidaway
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Actually I watched and enjoyed Class last year. It seems to have disappeared without trace, but it did help at the time.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. People are shitting on season five? That's probably my favourite season of NuWho. In fact, Chibnall's episodes are really the only ones from that season that I really don't like (and boy do I really not like them!).
(And boy do I really not like any of his episodes! Roll on season eleven!)
(And boy do I really not like any of his episodes! Roll on season eleven!)
Rodney McKay
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Yeah, I love season 5.
Felt kinda like a fairytale, and I loved the new doctor/companions relationship. It's one of the few NuWho seasons where I actually enjoyed the overall season's story and I can actually remember what happens. A lot of the recent ones I can barely remember what happened in them outside of a few scenes.
Season 5 is easy to like because it's a good blend of what RTD set up and Moffat's indulgences. It does have some absolute clunkers, though. Victory of the Daleks is really bad.
Rewatching Chibnall's two-parter now...never really had a problem with any of his episodes personally.
Rewatching Chibnall's two-parter now...never really had a problem with any of his episodes personally.
Ignatz Mouse
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Pretty sure the 5 will be my favorite Smith season. I didn't like it relative to 3 and 4, though. We'll see if I like it more this time around.
It has one of the absolutely best episodes of NuWho, Vincent and the Doctor. That and The Girl Who Waited are my absolute favorite Smith eps, and near the top of my list overall.
It has one of the absolutely best episodes of NuWho, Vincent and the Doctor. That and The Girl Who Waited are my absolute favorite Smith eps, and near the top of my list overall.
But it did set up the long-lived, now iconic new design for the daleks.
The Hungry Earth drove me round the bend, particularly the mother who tazes a silurian to death and the montage of Amy carrying out diplomatic talks on behalf of humanity.
tonysidaway
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Well spotted.
acheron_xl
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About Series 5.
The Eleventh Hour is absolutely amazing. The best Doctor intro of the new show, easily.
The Beast Below is not terrible, but not great.
Victory of the Daleks isn't so hot.
I'm far more lukewarm than the average on the Angel 2-parter.
The Vampires of Venice is a bit of a throwaway.
Amy's Choice is great.
The Silurian 2-parter is middling.
Vincent and the Doctor is great, obviously.
The Lodger is.. eh.
The finale 2-parter, well The Big Bang is much better than The Pandorica Opens imo.
Altogether, I think it's a decent, but unspectacular season.
The Eleventh Hour is absolutely amazing. The best Doctor intro of the new show, easily.
The Beast Below is not terrible, but not great.
Victory of the Daleks isn't so hot.
I'm far more lukewarm than the average on the Angel 2-parter.
The Vampires of Venice is a bit of a throwaway.
Amy's Choice is great.
The Silurian 2-parter is middling.
Vincent and the Doctor is great, obviously.
The Lodger is.. eh.
The finale 2-parter, well The Big Bang is much better than The Pandorica Opens imo.
Altogether, I think it's a decent, but unspectacular season.
Isn't she wearing his clothing in the teaser?
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