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[brucewaynegretzky]

Another thing which just came to mind is that after the whole Astronaut story, the Doctor started erasing records of himself, making himself unknown. This eventually led to River being released.

In Asylum of the Daleks, Clara erases all info about the Doctor from the Dalek's hivemind.

Since then we've only had the Great Intelligence who seems to recognize the Doctor in The Bells of Saint John, but that's only because he had met him again in the Snowmen. The rest were only one off monsters and the Angels, who don't really seem to give a shit about who the Doctor is.

I don't have a point to all of this, just thinking aloud.

This just seems like something they need to do from time to time to be able to still write stories where the Doctor isn't a universal celebrity.

 

[Hot Coldman]

The Great Intelligence could be very much aware of the Doctor still, even before the Snowmen. It's hard to say how much time has passed for it between its grapples with the Second Doctor and it bumping into the Eleventh Doctor. Hell, it could have been a matter of weeks for him, even though it's virtually been millennia for the Doctor.

 

[EleventhDoctor]

And, incidentally, the Tesselacta's original mission was to steal away hitler and then impersonate him until his original death. So your comparison to Hitler's death being a fixed point in time is particularly apt. Hitler only had to appear to die to fulfil his fixed point, while they intended to take him to the future to properly punish him.

Hell, I suppose that's probably where he got the idea now that I think about it.

Yep. Bingo. You get a jammy dodger.


(I wish I could get Jammy Dodgers over here in the states)

 

[The Elite]

Yep. Bingo. You get a jammy dodger.


(I wish I could get Jammy Dodgers over here in the states)

I want one too!

I love Jammy Dodgers. I ate them by the droves as a child.

 

[EleventhDoctor]

They are nowhere to be found over here.

 

[Gaming Truth]

(I wish I could get Jammy Dodgers over here in the states)

You can if you have a Wegmans. =)

 

[The Elite]

They are nowhere to be found over here.

They are easy to find in Toronto.

I like these Peek Freans. Yummy.

 

[APZonerunner]

^They're not Jammie Dodgers, as there's the cream filling in the middle and the sugar sprinklings on top of the jam. It's jam and nothing else in an actual Jammie Dodger.

The Great Intelligence could be very much aware of the Doctor still, even before the Snowmen. It's hard to say how much time has passed for it between its grapples with the Second Doctor and it bumping into the Eleventh Doctor. Hell, it could have been a matter of weeks for him, even though it's virtually been millennia for the Doctor.

The timeline is Snowmen>The Web of Fear>The Bells of St John. It's been on earth all that time, so we know precisely how long it's been for it.

 

[Symphonic]

Aw gross, jelly cookies. Worst things.

 

[The Elite]

^They're not Jammie Dodgers, as there's the cream filling in the middle and the sugar sprinklings on top of the jam. It's jam and nothing else in an actual Jammie Dodger.



The timeline is Snowmen>The Web of Fear>The Bells of St John. It's been on earth all that time, so we know precisely how long it's been for it.

Are you saying I've been living a lie my entire life under the pretense that I've been eating Jammy Dodgers?

I am undone.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Aw gross, jelly cookies. Worst things.

Jammie Dodgers do not contain Gelatin.

 

[Symphonic]

Jammie Dodgers do not contain Gelatin.

Aw gross, cookies with some sort of gooey, fruity, tart substance in the center. Worst things.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Aw gross, cookies with some sort of gooey, fruity, tart substance in the center. Worst things.

Seconded.

 

[Zeppu]

JAMmie Dodgers are filled with JAM.

Damn uncultured plebs.

 

[Symphonic]

JAMmie Dodgers are filled with JAM.

Damn uncultured plebs.

Well I mean it's not like burgers are filled with burgs.

 

[Zeppu]

Well I mean it's not like burgers are filled with burgs.

What do you call burgs meat in the US then?

 

[Symphonic]

What do you call burgs meat in the US then?

What the hell is burgs meat

 

[Zeppu]

The stuff they make burgers out of, obviously.

 

[The Elite]

Burgs meat is best meat.

Looks close enough to a Peek Frean to me.

He looks so young there.

 

[Symphonic]

The stuff they make burgers out of, obviously.

This might be a good time to mention that I'm bad at all forms of sarcasm.

 

[APZonerunner]

Burgs meat is best meat.

Looks close enough to a Peek Frean to me.

He looks so young there.

It's a cheap off-brand one, basically. The shape is the same, sure, but what's actually in it is different to what you posted. The BBC usually uses off-brand stuff because they're not allowed any sort of product placement - it's surprising they're even allowed to say "Jammie Dodger" really. The proper brand ones featured in The Bells of Saint John.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Well I mean it's not like burgers are filled with burgs.

But you know like they are called BEEF burgers right? and they are in fact filled with horse Beef.

 

[The Elite]

It's a cheap off-brand one, basically. The shape is the same, sure, but what's actually in it is different to what you posted. The BBC usually uses off-brand stuff because they're not allowed any sort of product placement - it's surprising they're even allowed to say "Jammie Dodger" really. The proper brand ones featured in The Bells of Saint John.

Well now I know.

 

[Symphonic]

But you know like they are called BEEF burgers right? and they are in fact filled with horse Beef.

I have never said "I'll take one of those beef burgers, please."

It's just burger or cheeseburger. Or hamburger if you don't want them to mess it up.

Also that was just the first thing that came to my mind. There's no cobbs in cobbler or picks in pickles.

 

[maharg]

But you know like they are called BEEF burgers right? and they are in fact filled with horse Beef.

They're called hamburgers and they're not filled with ham.

 

[mclem]

What do you want explained? He realized that the fixed point in time was the appearance of his death, not necessarily his actual death. And conveniently, he knew of a way to fake it.

I think it's missing a key step of how he *knew* that that was the case - because if he was wrong, his actions would - logically - screw up the universe just as much as Rivers' had. Some indication of "Heywaitaminute, if I die here, then *this* couldn't have happened... so maybe something *else* is the fixed point?"

 

[infiniteloop]

damn, i want a jammie dodger now.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

They're called hamburgers and they're not filled with ham.

Not in Real English their not

 

[Avixph]

Not in Real English their not

Real English?

 

[Symphonic]

Real English?

You know, the original version created for communication. No wait that's Modern English. No wait that's Middle English. No wait that's Old English. No wait that's Old Norse. No wait that's Latin.

 

[maharg]

Not in Real English their not

Is their instead of they're part of Real English too?

Anyways, they're named after their place of origin, Hamburg. Burger is a corruption. They got to Britain the long way round.

 

[mightynine]

To heck as to whether it's Jam or not - where does the "Dodger" part come from?

 

[equippedwithtowel]

How far down the rabbit hole are people going to go on this?

If half of this turns out to be true the how is going to get gloriously insane

 

[The Elite]

To heck as to whether it's Jam or not - where does the "Dodger" part come from?

Named after Roger the Dodger.

 

[Zeppu]

Point is jelly existed as a word in Real English™ for this:

Jam existed as a word in Real English™ for this:

Jammie dodgers are named after Jam.

The Evil Ones™ corrupted Real English™ and somehow decided to call jam jelly.

 

[operon]

But you know like they are called BEEF burgers right? and they are in fact filled with horse Beef.

They're called hamburgers and they're not filled with ham.

 

[Zeppu]

All things considered this discussion is better than the usual RTD vs. Moffat, 9 vs 10 vs 11, and companion ranking ones.

 

[acheron_xl]

Jammie Dodgers look boring, but Jelly Babies are certifiably amazing.

 

[mightynine]

All things considered this discussion is better than the usual RTD vs. Moffat, 9 vs 10 vs 11, and companion ranking ones.

Agreed! What other cookies are the English keeping from the rest of the world?

 

[Zeppu]

Agreed! What other cookies are the English keeping from the rest of the world?

Ugh...

They're biscuits.

Spoiler

Spoiler

I'm a colonial too. Different colony though. We do get Jammie Dodgers here.

 

[EleventhDoctor]

.....What have I done?

 

[Hot Coldman]

God damn, I'm normally pretty forgiving with American English but calling everything a cookie is some hot bullshit I can't stand

The timeline is Snowmen>The Web of Fear>The Bells of St John. It's been on earth all that time, so we know precisely how long it's been for it.

Shit, really? How?

Oh wait, the underground map... ha, I totally forgot! Yeah, that means the Great Intelligence at any rate probably remembers the Doctor very very well.

 

[obin_gam]

Wouldn't mind seeing an entire season dedicated to the Doctor trying to find a lost group of Time Lords or something. Something to shed more light on what happened and how they could restore some form of Time Lord civilization.

Diddo. I for one am growing a bit tired of him being the last one and blablabla. One season of him trying to save Gallifrey and after that anyone is free to use other Time Lords as villains again

 

[mightynine]

God damn, I'm normally pretty forgiving with American English but calling everything a cookie is some hot bullshit I can't stand

A biscuit is something you eat for breakfast.

Let's do this.

 

[8bit]

Agreed! What other cookies are the English keeping from the rest of the world?

Wagon wheels.

 

[Zeppu]

Shit, really? How?

Oh wait, the underground map... ha, I totally forgot! Yeah, that means the Great Intelligence at any rate probably remembers the Doctor very very well.

There's nothing to suggest the Great Intelligence can travel in time so I'd guess that it travelled linearly in time, with the Snowmen being the earliest appearance.

 

[Hot Coldman]

A biscuit is something you eat for breakfast.

Let's do this.

The fuck it is

(I only ever have cereal anyway)

There's nothing to suggest the Great Intelligence can travel in time so I'd guess that it travelled linearly in time, with the Snowmen being the earliest appearance.

I always assume all Who villains can travel in time. :lol

 

[mightynine]

The fuck it is

(I only ever have cereal anyway)

Don't you know cereal is the worst thing to eat for breakfast ever, according to some?

That said, I love me some raisin bran.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Don't you know cereal is the worst thing to eat for breakfast ever, according to some?

That said, I love me some raisin bran.

Well, I have, like, fruit as well... It's better than a fry-up!

 

[Zeppu]

I always assume all Who villains can travel in time. :lol

Hmm, can they though. I always thought only the Daleks (and perhaps the Cybermen) can travel in time (from New Who at least).

Don't you know cereal is the worst thing to eat for breakfast ever, according to some?

That said, I love me some raisin bran.

Ugh, is that what you call grapeoids?