Cutty Flam
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Is this a legitimate disorder? Or is this ‘disorder’ pseudoscience?
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Does ADHD exist?
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It’s real.
Cutty Flam
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Symptoms of ADHD include:
-Inattention
-Hyperactivity
-Impulsivity
These symptoms are exhibited by nearly every single human being to some degree. So how is this a disorder? People actually subscribe to this being a true disorder because they are a little less attentive? And take medications for it? Just form better habits over time
This so-called disease is fabricated. It was labeled as a disorder to peddle more drugs to people. And nothing more
-Inattention
-Hyperactivity
-Impulsivity
These symptoms are exhibited by nearly every single human being to some degree. So how is this a disorder? People actually subscribe to this being a true disorder because they are a little less attentive? And take medications for it? Just form better habits over time
This so-called disease is fabricated. It was labeled as a disorder to peddle more drugs to people. And nothing more
I have as well, but it’s not a disease. Those are all less than ideal behavior traits but who is to say that they cannot be treated with some training or specific therapies and completely eliminated solely through such methods? ADHD being labeled as a disorder and doctors prescribing pharmaceuticals is potentially dangerous. I myself exhibit several of the ‘symptoms’ but will I ever allow some quack to tell me I have ADHD and need his meds? Fuck no
I collect VHS tapes
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You’re an idiot.
Ionian
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You're talking out of your arse. Also my Nephew never took any drugs although it was an option, it was obvious something was wrong from when he was a baby.
Unknown Soldier
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ADHD doesn't exist outside the United States. Yet for some reason it's an epidemic in this country. Strange how that works. The pharmaceutical industrial complex sure is powerful here.
nush
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The only thing you are right about, it's a disorder.
nush
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I didn't know you were American, my colleague that had it had a perfect act as a British guy too.
Quasicat
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I think it’s real, but I also think it’s really easy to misdiagnose and throw drugs at it to make it “go away.” I’ve seen many kids that get put on those drugs and they act like inactive zombies for most of the morning but in the afternoon, when the meds have worn off, they really aren’t that bad. I feel like I really can’t get to know the true them, because they are almost completely unresponsive.
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Cutty Flam
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It’s a pseudo disorder, to be exact. Every human being exhibits the symptoms of ADHD at some level when they enter school. These ‘symptoms’ are constructed based off what institutions such as schools expect from kids. This is not a true disorder. Prove me wrong
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Tschumi
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I don't know about ADHD, i only know about my own experience. In my opinion, as the youngest of a big family, nobody had the energy to give me the same attention, to commit to figuring me out, as they did my older siblings.. in many ways, to them, my struggles were old hat, my revelations were derivative, my questions were tiresome... and i don't even resent my family, i understand and I'm glad i found a way through this.
With regards to a stupid ADHD diagnosis when i was about 11, this meant that nobody ever told me what the fuck study was, why it was important, what i was actually meant to do at school, how i could learn, what note taking was, or anything.
My pens were for making guns, school was for fucking around with friends, getting bullied by the same friends, and stealing Pokemon cards, homework was an awful, awful bit of arbitrary confinement with no payoff.
I have since taught at primary and middle schools, and i can see, very clearly, the kids who are just bouncing through with no context, no sense of self, no agency, no understanding of what they're meant to be doing. I blame the parents for being negligent, i don't think they're somehow demented.
It's not understood that kids don't fucking know things until you tell them. I think i was expected to know what study was, i simply didn't. I didn't have adhd, i was just on oblivious autopilot.
With regards to a stupid ADHD diagnosis when i was about 11, this meant that nobody ever told me what the fuck study was, why it was important, what i was actually meant to do at school, how i could learn, what note taking was, or anything.
My pens were for making guns, school was for fucking around with friends, getting bullied by the same friends, and stealing Pokemon cards, homework was an awful, awful bit of arbitrary confinement with no payoff.
I have since taught at primary and middle schools, and i can see, very clearly, the kids who are just bouncing through with no context, no sense of self, no agency, no understanding of what they're meant to be doing. I blame the parents for being negligent, i don't think they're somehow demented.
It's not understood that kids don't fucking know things until you tell them. I think i was expected to know what study was, i simply didn't. I didn't have adhd, i was just on oblivious autopilot.
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NecrosaroIII
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I trust people who say it's not real as much as I do people who "do their own research" on vaccines.
Usually it's the same people
Usually it's the same people
dr_octagon
Banned
agree about pharma companies but keep in mind Western environment, upbringing, culture, way of living, diet etc isn't replicated everywhere else. there may also be other factors around not treating or recognising it as the same (even if it's still having same effect).
TheInfamousKira
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Yeah, of course we do, I can't focu
Lupingosei
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It does exist, but a lot of kids who are getting treated don't really have it. While we pretend we care so much about kids as a former teacher I know, this is only true until a certain point and if it is just too much work, we rather use drugs.
In Switzerland or other western countries, this is even worse, because we nowadays have a lot of part-time teachers, so kids don't have a person they can build a stable relationship with. Even in elementary school, you have 3 to 4 teachers during your school week. Also, the system works more for girls in elementary and high school. Most boys probably will not have a male teacher until they are in their teens and we know how important it would be for them to have male role models in school.
While we spent most of our time in the woods growing up, far away from our homes, I met a lot of boys, especially in cities, who never had the chance to do that. Don't get me wrong also a lot of boys are able to adapt to this system, but some can not. They have pretty much no possibility to get rid of their energy and then we rather use drugs, because they can not sit still for a long enough time. That our diet is so fucked up and we eat way too much sugar does not help either btw.
The whole system is built against whose boys and that is why the majority of kids who are getting treated for ADHD are boys and usually boys also commit suicide 10 more often during their teenage years. So we use phrama to fix a social problem, society created in the first place.
edit: Maybe I should add something. ADHD does exist, but not as much as you might think. A lot of problems could be solved without drugs, for some less school more work would be a huge help. Not everybody is built to sit in a chair for 6-8 hours a day, not even as a kid. It does not mean those kids are stupid, it means they have different personalities and while in the past they could find something to do, in our highly industrialized western civilizations there is no room for them anymore.
In Switzerland or other western countries, this is even worse, because we nowadays have a lot of part-time teachers, so kids don't have a person they can build a stable relationship with. Even in elementary school, you have 3 to 4 teachers during your school week. Also, the system works more for girls in elementary and high school. Most boys probably will not have a male teacher until they are in their teens and we know how important it would be for them to have male role models in school.
While we spent most of our time in the woods growing up, far away from our homes, I met a lot of boys, especially in cities, who never had the chance to do that. Don't get me wrong also a lot of boys are able to adapt to this system, but some can not. They have pretty much no possibility to get rid of their energy and then we rather use drugs, because they can not sit still for a long enough time. That our diet is so fucked up and we eat way too much sugar does not help either btw.
The whole system is built against whose boys and that is why the majority of kids who are getting treated for ADHD are boys and usually boys also commit suicide 10 more often during their teenage years. So we use phrama to fix a social problem, society created in the first place.
edit: Maybe I should add something. ADHD does exist, but not as much as you might think. A lot of problems could be solved without drugs, for some less school more work would be a huge help. Not everybody is built to sit in a chair for 6-8 hours a day, not even as a kid. It does not mean those kids are stupid, it means they have different personalities and while in the past they could find something to do, in our highly industrialized western civilizations there is no room for them anymore.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Of course it exists 
JonSnowball
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What is critical thinking? Over-diagnosed, yes. Non-existent, no. Painting a dichotomy of "it's either real or it isn't" was your first error. To be entirely honest, OP is either offering up low-effort bait or views everything in the world with a complete lack of nuance.
Having said that, I don't believe depression is real. There's an epidemic of depression in this country but we live in a plentiful world of vast opportunity. It's all in your mind, as diabetes is all in your pancreas.
Having said that, I don't believe depression is real. There's an epidemic of depression in this country but we live in a plentiful world of vast opportunity. It's all in your mind, as diabetes is all in your pancreas.
BigBooper
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I tend to not think so most of the time and think it mostly stems from the embracing of low expectations for kids.
The kids that I knew that were hyperactive also just happened to be the kids whose parents would sit back and watch as their children behaved like little monsters with no discipline and zero expectations.
The kids that I knew that were hyperactive also just happened to be the kids whose parents would sit back and watch as their children behaved like little monsters with no discipline and zero expectations.
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bitbydeath
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That’s just everyone, not an ADHD symptom.
Cutty Flam
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Exactly. Nobody is meant to stay stationary for the better portion of 6-8 hours, especially not seated. Schools ought to take this into consideration, and hopefully they will introduce more standing and moving during classroom learning. There are plenty of studies that suggest more physical activity in general can help kids perform better in school or learning overall
Of course it exists
Attention-Deficit / Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD)
Find information on symptoms, diagnosis, treatment, data, research, and free resources.
www.cdc.gov
A child with ADHD might:
- daydream a lot
- forget or lose things a lot
- squirm or fidget
- talk too much
- make careless mistakes or take unnecessary risks
- have a hard time resisting temptation
- have trouble taking turns
- have difficulty getting along with others
ADHD is just a bullshit made up disorder and there isn’t a single person in this thread yet that has provided sufficient answers proving otherwise. Is it right to categorize people and say there is something wrong with them because they do things their own way? It’s not a disorder, it’s a harmful label pinned to children and adults alike by the medical field based off incredibly limited research and understanding
triplestation
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Tschumi
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In the context of my post, the point I'm making with those sentences is what you've just said.
bitbydeath
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Sorry, skimmed too much.
Virt McPolygon
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I was once evaluated for ADHD and results came back negative. Back then(in the 90s) it seems like ADHD was a diagnosis that was commonly given for kids that were awkward.
Now it seems to be autism, but I'm an adult now and don't wanna get tested for that shit and then have to put it on my twitter bio lol
Now it seems to be autism, but I'm an adult now and don't wanna get tested for that shit and then have to put it on my twitter bio lol
Cutty Flam
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Yes, the OP lacks nuance yet the very next sentence there you are telling us that depression does not exist or affect people. Pretty ironic. ADHD is not a disorder. It’s a label. And it’s harmfully attached to people who don’t line up and do everything they’re “supposed” to according to how they’re “supposed” to. It’s bullshit. Since you have it in you to insult my critical thinking, why not step up and be the first to tell me exactly why I am wrong? Nobody has done that yet, not one
Tell me exactly why people should subscribe to the notion that there is something wrong with them because they learn or do things at a different pace. Look up the symptoms for ADHD. Those aren’t symptoms. That’s a list of symptoms for ADHD? No, the majority of them are just differences in behavior from others
Because there is a standard set towards learning in institutions such as schools, colleges etc. anyone below that standard that was set by board of psychiatrists has a disorder now? Fuck off
MachRc
Member
My son has adhd. He is slowly growing out of it at 12 years old. I noticed facial grimacing and vocal tics when he was around 6 and 7 so I got him tested.
It's a test that spans 4 days
Some simular symptoms with autism and some that are quite different. Like communication. My kid won't shut the hell up. Autistic kids will avoid eye contact and will give you zero communication.
I've raised my sister (12 years younger), my younger brother, we adopted my brother so, ive helped raise alot of kids. Both my son and daughter too. And you can tell easily. Inattentiveness. Not being able to sit still. Cant stfu, redirecting and having to repeat shit over and over to them. I'm a homie dont play that dad. But once I learned some of these issues he had, he could not control it. I had to change and learn alot about adhd and myself.
Kids with adhd can be very difficult. They have a rocket for a brain and don't have the brakes to slow it down.
So difficult that my ex wife abandoned our child at a hospital when she had visitation. He was 8.
Fast forward to today. My son is in honors language arts and honors math. He is very smart. Coding with unity,, Very puny, and is doing extremely well. He still has some issues with blurting out shit. But for the most part is very mindful now.
I did not believe in medication. But he takes focalin 10mg every morning and it helps him all day focus on stuff he didn't/couldn't focus on.
To help and aid him in a structured environment. I am dialing it down and down until he is conscience enough of himself to be able to stop some of the behavioral issues he had in school.
Medication works for my kid. It gives him quality of life improvements , not losing friends due to his behaviors, focus on learning.
It is said most children who have adhd grows out of it during puberty and it may go away.
He's 10 times better today.
It's a test that spans 4 days
Some simular symptoms with autism and some that are quite different. Like communication. My kid won't shut the hell up. Autistic kids will avoid eye contact and will give you zero communication.
I've raised my sister (12 years younger), my younger brother, we adopted my brother so, ive helped raise alot of kids. Both my son and daughter too. And you can tell easily. Inattentiveness. Not being able to sit still. Cant stfu, redirecting and having to repeat shit over and over to them. I'm a homie dont play that dad. But once I learned some of these issues he had, he could not control it. I had to change and learn alot about adhd and myself.
Kids with adhd can be very difficult. They have a rocket for a brain and don't have the brakes to slow it down.
So difficult that my ex wife abandoned our child at a hospital when she had visitation. He was 8.
Fast forward to today. My son is in honors language arts and honors math. He is very smart. Coding with unity,, Very puny, and is doing extremely well. He still has some issues with blurting out shit. But for the most part is very mindful now.
I did not believe in medication. But he takes focalin 10mg every morning and it helps him all day focus on stuff he didn't/couldn't focus on.
To help and aid him in a structured environment. I am dialing it down and down until he is conscience enough of himself to be able to stop some of the behavioral issues he had in school.
Medication works for my kid. It gives him quality of life improvements , not losing friends due to his behaviors, focus on learning.
It is said most children who have adhd grows out of it during puberty and it may go away.
He's 10 times better today.
Cyberpunkd
Member
‘To some degree’. This is the difference. It is a disorder if the symptoms prevent you to have a normal life. Same with addiction to sex - it’s not an addiction if you love it and are just amorous, it is one of you cannot help to cheat, spend money on prostitutes, and the thought of having sex all the time prevent you from working or living a life.
T8SC
Gold Member
Interesting discussion.
I have reservations about a number of "disorders" like this and how they are treated. I feel that sometimes these things are labelled so that the patient (or person expressing that they have something wrong with them) has a name for it. I'm sure people would prefer to have a name for their "disorder" than "oh I'm sorry, we've no idea what's wrong with you... its a mix of X, Y & Z"
For example Bipolar, essentially this boils down to being depressed for short periods and then hyper for short periods, interspersed with periods of "normal". Somehow, I feel everyone goes through highs & lows through the year, does this mean they have bipolar? Is it temporary? or does everyone have it and it flares up more frequently for some than others?
Also, lets add "TATTS" or; Tired All The Time Syndrome. I have a feeling everyone who works shift probably suffers from this. However, is it a disorder? Does it mean you should pop sleeping pills? Or is it more likely an underlying issue for stress/worry that's causing lack of sleep rather than a labelled "disorder"?
Going back to ADHD, I feel this is a label for a number of underlying issues so that people have an "easy to name disorder" that isn't the "unknown" as per my original sentence above. Is it the same as the other examples in this post? Will it affect everyone? is it temporary? is it worthy of drugs?
What about OCD? Is that a disorder? or is it just a case of people like things a certain way but again, it needs a label? Joe likes all his labels facing outward whilst Carol likes her mugs positioned with the handle on the right side... OCD? or just people being fussy about items in their kitchen cupboard?
I have reservations about a number of "disorders" like this and how they are treated. I feel that sometimes these things are labelled so that the patient (or person expressing that they have something wrong with them) has a name for it. I'm sure people would prefer to have a name for their "disorder" than "oh I'm sorry, we've no idea what's wrong with you... its a mix of X, Y & Z"
For example Bipolar, essentially this boils down to being depressed for short periods and then hyper for short periods, interspersed with periods of "normal". Somehow, I feel everyone goes through highs & lows through the year, does this mean they have bipolar? Is it temporary? or does everyone have it and it flares up more frequently for some than others?
Also, lets add "TATTS" or; Tired All The Time Syndrome. I have a feeling everyone who works shift probably suffers from this. However, is it a disorder? Does it mean you should pop sleeping pills? Or is it more likely an underlying issue for stress/worry that's causing lack of sleep rather than a labelled "disorder"?
Going back to ADHD, I feel this is a label for a number of underlying issues so that people have an "easy to name disorder" that isn't the "unknown" as per my original sentence above. Is it the same as the other examples in this post? Will it affect everyone? is it temporary? is it worthy of drugs?
What about OCD? Is that a disorder? or is it just a case of people like things a certain way but again, it needs a label? Joe likes all his labels facing outward whilst Carol likes her mugs positioned with the handle on the right side... OCD? or just people being fussy about items in their kitchen cupboard?
BigBooper
Member
Yes. I had a relative that had the full blown turn on a light switch three times when entering a room, touch doorknobs repeatedly OCD. They recovered from it but when they were going through it they had an overwhelming sense that something extremely bad was going to happen if they didn't do those repetitive actions.
The people tha go "lol, I'm a little OCD" because they like to keep their desk organized are almost certainly not.
Soodanim
Gold Member
Using that logic to say it doesn’t exist is like saying depression doesn’t exist because everyone can feel depressed at one point or another. Your logic is flawed. Don’t lump in hyperbole and questionably mild cases with legitimate cases of disorders, diseases, or other conditions you absolutely would not want to live with.
SidViscous
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I think it used to exist, but that lazy teachers and parents are too quick to brush children into the category because they find it difficult to learn within a strict school system with disinterested teachers, that its now just become a catch term for akward kids.
It used to be ADHD, then Autism etc. Some kids need more attention but labelling them and giving them a laptop in class is easier than helping.
It used to be ADHD, then Autism etc. Some kids need more attention but labelling them and giving them a laptop in class is easier than helping.
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It exists. My oldest son has it. As someone else said yes the mentioned symptoms happen to everyone from time to time. But for something to be a disorder it has to happen frequently enough or bad enough to harm daily life. My oldest is 18. He has serious issues with his attention span. This Isn't just inability to maintain attention. It also means he can become so engrossed in something everything outside that thing basically fade away. He can not drive. He is unable to focus on the road and doesn't notice most of the things around the car when we have tried to teach him.
IDKFA
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It is recognised the world over and my Nephew (UK here) was recently diagnosed with ADHD. Although drugs were an option, my sister decided against it and went for different therapy treatments. Drugs were never offered as the only treatment, but as one of the many optional treatments.
Are you medically trained to make such a statement? Have you spent considerable time studying this to come to the conclusion that it is a "bullshit made up disorder"?
I'm only asking because such a statement needs to be backed up with incontrovertible evidence, which I'm guessing you have, right?
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Exhibiting symptoms to some minute degree isn’t enough for a proper diagnosis. When the symptoms start impacting activities of daily living in a measurable way, then you have something to substantiate a diagnosis.
Your analysis provided here is of pedestrian googling. Real experts came up with ADHD because it’s a real issue, not because some kids are just kids
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FunkMiller
Member
Every single human emotion, drive, or thought process can become disordered. We are chaotic meat sacks, where things can easily spiral out of control.
Of course ADHD is real.
Of course ADHD is real.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
It's a thing - or rather, psychiatrists have put together a checklist of signs and symptoms and put the name AHDH to people that check the right boxes, as with every diagnosis in psychiatry. In psychiatry, everything ultimately comes down to one question: do your issues significantly interfere with your development and your daily life? If yes, it's a condition.
It's also very possible that a portion of ADHD cases are mostly uncaring/clueless parents/teachers.
It's also very possible that a portion of ADHD cases are mostly uncaring/clueless parents/teachers.
Bragr
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You son a of a bitch, of all the sins, you had to pick the worst of the lot.
poppabk
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I had a beer the other day and kind of wanted a second but chose not to. Therefore alcoholism is a pseudo disorder.
/s
Cockles & Whelks
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I don't know, but in a recent visit to the Doctor I did my best to convince I suffered from it after a friend gave me some Ritlian. That shit is great for focusing on tasks and clearing head through brain fog.
Decontamination Silo
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Clinically no. Most everything bad with the state of the world today is given to us from the "soft science" fields of study.
Little legal meth tablets would benefit anyone. Not just people with "ADD".
Little legal meth tablets would benefit anyone. Not just people with "ADD".
trikster40
Member
My nephew definitely has it. He literally cannot sit still or focus on things. You know how dogs wear a path in your backyard because they walk the same path? My nephew does that. He literally walked in circles around a tree so much he wore a path in the dirt.
