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Does ADHD exist?
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*Nightwing
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Been down this rabbit hole before, let me share my opinions on what I found:
One of the leading research Drs saying it is pseudoscience on his deathbed doesn’t help, and any science not being specific as the scientific method dictates it should be but uses vague spectrums to define itself is technically pseudoscience.
All of that is irrelevant in the face of the exponential improvements in mental function with these medications. People have issues with attention and focus and medication helps. The entirety of western medicine is based on treating symptoms, why should this symptom be any different regardless of the technicality of the named disease?
A headache is a symptom we treat with medication. If we invented a name to describe a disease or ailment that causes the symptoms of headaches without any actual science on its existence of the disease itself it also would be pseudoscience but we wouldn’t be stupid enough to remove a good medication that treats a valid symptom and outlaw Tylenol
One of the leading research Drs saying it is pseudoscience on his deathbed doesn’t help, and any science not being specific as the scientific method dictates it should be but uses vague spectrums to define itself is technically pseudoscience.
All of that is irrelevant in the face of the exponential improvements in mental function with these medications. People have issues with attention and focus and medication helps. The entirety of western medicine is based on treating symptoms, why should this symptom be any different regardless of the technicality of the named disease?
A headache is a symptom we treat with medication. If we invented a name to describe a disease or ailment that causes the symptoms of headaches without any actual science on its existence of the disease itself it also would be pseudoscience but we wouldn’t be stupid enough to remove a good medication that treats a valid symptom and outlaw Tylenol
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Tourette Syndrome is a disorder... Is that real?
ADHD, from the OP list, means that all those symptoms are cranked up to 11... They interfere with living.
I'm not sure you thought this through, sir.
ADHD, from the OP list, means that all those symptoms are cranked up to 11... They interfere with living.
I'm not sure you thought this through, sir.
eNT1TY
Member
Remember when the clinical condition of ADHD was just your child/sibling/friend/peer being disobedient little/big shits (the condition exists in a spectrum) that like to act up and the treatment was to simmer them the fuck down? Often the afflicted would be diagnosed as being assholes in those yesteryears and in some circles as blessed or "touched". Exerting dominance over such was the only known remedy, good old-fashioned biblical discipline... We also ate lead in those day.
Keihart
Member
I'm inclined to say that most probably yes, but the diagnose of it has become more lenient over time so who knows now.
Seems way too common as a scape goat for people with shorter attention spans to just diagnose it and give them some pills, just like anxiety disorders.
There is a difference between feeling anxious and having a disorder, same for ADHD, but since you gotta sell those pills, i guess it doesn't matter that much anymore.
You don't even need to have a disorder to get the benefits of the drugs, so that doesn't help either.
Seems way too common as a scape goat for people with shorter attention spans to just diagnose it and give them some pills, just like anxiety disorders.
There is a difference between feeling anxious and having a disorder, same for ADHD, but since you gotta sell those pills, i guess it doesn't matter that much anymore.
You don't even need to have a disorder to get the benefits of the drugs, so that doesn't help either.
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Complistic
Member
It's absolutely a thing.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
My mother works at school, I can guarantee you that if anything psychology/psychiatry needs to research more, because there is certainly a lot of different "behavior patterns" which does not have any name whatsoever.
But yeah, ADHD, ADD and shit like that is very real and especially for teacher very annoying so it's noticeable.
And last thing, like everything mental health related, it's a spectrum. But as far as I know, the methods are better and better. Fuck back when I was going to school, I was being deemed as too smart to be dyslexic and normal people now are telling me, if I am dyslexic, that I made specific errors, like a switching words in the sentence and writing like shit, while reading super fast and well yeah I am and especially in Czech language, which is verbose as fuck in comparison to English, I struggled like a mofo and dys-functions weren't really considered a thing. Maybe as a post commie state, but I remember just to get some diagnosis on that was quite challenging.
But yeah, ADHD, ADD and shit like that is very real and especially for teacher very annoying so it's noticeable.
And last thing, like everything mental health related, it's a spectrum. But as far as I know, the methods are better and better. Fuck back when I was going to school, I was being deemed as too smart to be dyslexic and normal people now are telling me, if I am dyslexic, that I made specific errors, like a switching words in the sentence and writing like shit, while reading super fast and well yeah I am and especially in Czech language, which is verbose as fuck in comparison to English, I struggled like a mofo and dys-functions weren't really considered a thing. Maybe as a post commie state, but I remember just to get some diagnosis on that was quite challenging.
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Kamina
Golden Boy
The real question is what the status of the pseudo shadowy you were seeing is.
Fools idol
Banned
I'm older than I would imagine is the average age in this thread going off the replies thus far - I'm pretty sure I have it myself, though it has never been oficially diagnosed. I was a very immature kid and had a lot of *problems* that most adults around me struggled to understand let alone deal with, my distant father especially.
I had a rough time at school due to my hyperactive brain and constant blurting out of whatever I thought of people, but learned quickly that if I didn't control my shit it would almost always lead to an ass whooping either by other kids or by my parents.
As a parent now myself, my daughter is a completely normal kid, and its quite disheartening for me to imagine how my parents just let me bounce through life without ever getting my problems addressed medically. I guess in the 80's it just wasnt the thing to do... there were no where near as many labels for mental health disorders back then.
I specifically remember my headteacher at the time being really cool about it though - he would see me frewuently cause I was always in trouble, so we developed a pretty good almost mentor-like relationship. He basically showed me how I could use my weird brain in ways that can benefit me, something my parents didn't ever do, so I looked up to him quite a lot.
He retired middle way through my high school years and the replacement they hired treated me like a fucking alien again which eventually led me to being kicked out of school permanently..
Institutions back in the day fucking sucked, most kids nowadays dont realise how lucky they are to have help so readily available.
I had a rough time at school due to my hyperactive brain and constant blurting out of whatever I thought of people, but learned quickly that if I didn't control my shit it would almost always lead to an ass whooping either by other kids or by my parents.
As a parent now myself, my daughter is a completely normal kid, and its quite disheartening for me to imagine how my parents just let me bounce through life without ever getting my problems addressed medically. I guess in the 80's it just wasnt the thing to do... there were no where near as many labels for mental health disorders back then.
I specifically remember my headteacher at the time being really cool about it though - he would see me frewuently cause I was always in trouble, so we developed a pretty good almost mentor-like relationship. He basically showed me how I could use my weird brain in ways that can benefit me, something my parents didn't ever do, so I looked up to him quite a lot.
He retired middle way through my high school years and the replacement they hired treated me like a fucking alien again which eventually led me to being kicked out of school permanently..
Institutions back in the day fucking sucked, most kids nowadays dont realise how lucky they are to have help so readily available.
MachRc
Member
When my son was kicked out of pre school and they told us he may be suffering from some andhd disorder..we told them to fuck off and that they couldn't even teach our child without being frustrated. Our child adhd ? Mental disorder?
Motherfuckers. They're so fucking stupid.
In time I figured out my son would not take naps around 1pm when every other child did. He never took naps from the age of 2.
So by 4 pm he was cranky,even more uncontrollable and sometimes violent.
My ex is a anti vaxxor and to this day believes our child doesn't suffer from this adhd. That he has complete control and is just being terrible.
Again I don't believe In throwing a child medication to cover up some sort of fault in parenting.
But when my son like I've said started rolling his eyes back, grimacing his face, and having vocal and motor tics which I found out through a doctor that it is associated with adhd was when I understood it was a real mental issue. When you see your own child rolling his eyes back into his skull while being stimulated by a theater screen , you take action.
Knowing this and under moms ever threatening my son and his behavior and his non condition. I had to make a stance for my son.
These problems he had , he was not doing it to piss us off, or didn't get enough punishment. he was not listening to us because he was not mentally able to. I am not going to punish my child who face grimaces who had difficult in sleeping and focusing to upease my wife I tried fengold diet, eliminated red40 no sugar, hired a helper teach personal space quiet hands. Everything outside of medicating my son.
So if you have never did your best to help your own offspring deal with this real condition. To say we are throwing a pill at them because we as parents are unable to deal with a rowdy child. It s one if the most disrespectful things and it really saddens me that people have no clue the real sacrifices and hardships many family's go through every day. I mean I could give less fucks really. But I'm going to tell you its a real ignorant statement. I hope you really think about what the fuck you're saying. Or know what it really is what youre talking about.
It's a choice after many years of infighting , suffering, and in the end finding the best possible way to help my son. I still don't get why stimulants would help people with these types of problems. But it does. Immensely.
Instead of phone calls for behavior issues I get phone calls that my son is excelling in school.
Again the positive life enhancing out weighs the negative thinking that I'm giving my child some sort of hard drug like meth. You dont know shit about the sacrifices of parents.
All we want is our child to have a normal life. To make friends and be able to go through the day without suffering from their condition. To give them the best possible way crutch help whatever you ea t to call it socthat they can succeed.
My sons condition used to be very severe. But as he has been aging it is now diagnosed,( I test him every 3 years ) as moderate. My ex now calls him autistic. That's a terrible parent. To make up labels and to abandon your own child.
He has not had contact with his own mother. Not one good night hug in more than 3 years.
But don't worry he is doing better today than he was stuck with this ignorant thinking that he doesn't suffer from adhd.
Once you have children who suffer from some sort of disability. I hope you too will do do everything I have done to make sure their quality of life and their daily life is always improving and happy. Last time I checked I am the father of the year.
Motherfuckers. They're so fucking stupid.
In time I figured out my son would not take naps around 1pm when every other child did. He never took naps from the age of 2.
So by 4 pm he was cranky,even more uncontrollable and sometimes violent.
My ex is a anti vaxxor and to this day believes our child doesn't suffer from this adhd. That he has complete control and is just being terrible.
Again I don't believe In throwing a child medication to cover up some sort of fault in parenting.
But when my son like I've said started rolling his eyes back, grimacing his face, and having vocal and motor tics which I found out through a doctor that it is associated with adhd was when I understood it was a real mental issue. When you see your own child rolling his eyes back into his skull while being stimulated by a theater screen , you take action.
Knowing this and under moms ever threatening my son and his behavior and his non condition. I had to make a stance for my son.
These problems he had , he was not doing it to piss us off, or didn't get enough punishment. he was not listening to us because he was not mentally able to. I am not going to punish my child who face grimaces who had difficult in sleeping and focusing to upease my wife I tried fengold diet, eliminated red40 no sugar, hired a helper teach personal space quiet hands. Everything outside of medicating my son.
So if you have never did your best to help your own offspring deal with this real condition. To say we are throwing a pill at them because we as parents are unable to deal with a rowdy child. It s one if the most disrespectful things and it really saddens me that people have no clue the real sacrifices and hardships many family's go through every day. I mean I could give less fucks really. But I'm going to tell you its a real ignorant statement. I hope you really think about what the fuck you're saying. Or know what it really is what youre talking about.
It's a choice after many years of infighting , suffering, and in the end finding the best possible way to help my son. I still don't get why stimulants would help people with these types of problems. But it does. Immensely.
Instead of phone calls for behavior issues I get phone calls that my son is excelling in school.
Again the positive life enhancing out weighs the negative thinking that I'm giving my child some sort of hard drug like meth. You dont know shit about the sacrifices of parents.
All we want is our child to have a normal life. To make friends and be able to go through the day without suffering from their condition. To give them the best possible way crutch help whatever you ea t to call it socthat they can succeed.
My sons condition used to be very severe. But as he has been aging it is now diagnosed,( I test him every 3 years ) as moderate. My ex now calls him autistic. That's a terrible parent. To make up labels and to abandon your own child.
He has not had contact with his own mother. Not one good night hug in more than 3 years.
But don't worry he is doing better today than he was stuck with this ignorant thinking that he doesn't suffer from adhd.
Once you have children who suffer from some sort of disability. I hope you too will do do everything I have done to make sure their quality of life and their daily life is always improving and happy. Last time I checked I am the father of the year.
thegame983
Member
Regardless of whether it is real or not I would think it is way over diagnosed.
My nephew got 'diagnosed' with it so he could resit exams he failed when he was 16.
My nephew got 'diagnosed' with it so he could resit exams he failed when he was 16.
ResilientBanana
Member
ADD isn’t real. ADHD is.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
It’s more likely that kids just had it beat out of them in the old days. It’s a behaviour problem essentially.
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Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
Back when I was growing up there was no ADHD or Adderoll. There was just hyperactivity....and difficulty concentrating for long periods. None of the 20 disorders nonsense that they diagnose these days, and prescribe tons of drug to 'treat'. I was 'hyperactive' and never got on drugs. I still cannot stick with anything for more than a couple hours but that is ok. No need to drug me up. That's what beer is for.
Werewolf Jones
Member
Fucking crying at the Joe Rogan-like scepticism about whether it's real or not.
I love this board.
I love this board.
Amiga
Member
there is nothing "wrong". like nothing is wrong if you are left handed. people are naturally different. and processing information is a possible difference.
Malakhov
Banned
Used to think it was overblown until my son have it.
When your 6 years old tells you that he cant control something inside of him that makes him do these impulsive gestures and talks about throwing himself in front of a car because he's not a good brother or son because of the impulsive moves he pulls and gets him in trouble, then came back to his former self once medicated then yeah it's real
Fuck everyone who doubts this
When your 6 years old tells you that he cant control something inside of him that makes him do these impulsive gestures and talks about throwing himself in front of a car because he's not a good brother or son because of the impulsive moves he pulls and gets him in trouble, then came back to his former self once medicated then yeah it's real
Fuck everyone who doubts this
Ionian
Member
When he was a baby he'd vomit up all food amongst other issues. This continued as he grew, so yeah we knew something was wrong. I didn't say he was broken it was just obvious very early on with his mannerisms. This is before he was diagnosed and treated.
Ionian
Member
Christ that sounds awful and yeah fuck everyone doubting it. Agree on that.
Malakhov
Banned
It was, up until last year he was in a downward spiral. Kept getting suspended from school, as a 6 years old, he had no confidence in himself anymore, started having dark thoughts. We couldn't help him, we tried everything, I was very scared for him, it was the darkest period of my life seeing my son feel that way and feeling totally useless.
He was diagnosed with the help of the school and his pediatrician. We started the medication and got him into a specialized school and it turned completely around. His confidence is back to normal, he's happy, he's smiling again and has been doing extremely well in school, I couldn't be more grateful for all of the people who helped us through this
He doesn't even want to talk about that period of time anymore, he says it's the past, that it is best being left behind.
It got us even more closer, a special relationship. I love that boy so much...
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
More precisely, it is a first world problem.
Whitecrow
Banned
I'm 30 years old. With an computer engineering degree. Was one of the best of my promotion at programming. I get fired from every job tho, not because I dont know how to do the work, but because I just cant keep doing it for so many hours.
Just as the lack of serotonin becomes depression, lack of dopamine becomes 'lazyness'. Dopamine is brain fuel. If you dont have at proper levels, your brain will remain shut off unless you are doing something you really enjoy. So yes, it exists, and as just as depression, it fukn sucks.
Just as the lack of serotonin becomes depression, lack of dopamine becomes 'lazyness'. Dopamine is brain fuel. If you dont have at proper levels, your brain will remain shut off unless you are doing something you really enjoy. So yes, it exists, and as just as depression, it fukn sucks.
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Kenpachii
Member
Jup worked with somebody that had it.
Dude would slam his hands on the steering wheel hyper as fuck singing in the car in 6 in the morning, and when it was 8 in the evening he would still do it after a hard day work, being hyper that he could sing every song and know the text of all of those songs.
Hell spoke to his wife once. dude was doing a second job even after that because he simple couldn't sit still. The energy this guy had was insane and even she couldn't deal with it more then a few hours a day.
Dude would slam his hands on the steering wheel hyper as fuck singing in the car in 6 in the morning, and when it was 8 in the evening he would still do it after a hard day work, being hyper that he could sing every song and know the text of all of those songs.
Hell spoke to his wife once. dude was doing a second job even after that because he simple couldn't sit still. The energy this guy had was insane and even she couldn't deal with it more then a few hours a day.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
You can measure it in the brain. People with ADHD on average have a smaller prefrontal cortex, for example. There are also certain genes that increase the probability of having ADHD.
The other side of the coin though is that it might be way overdiagnosed, just like idk, gluten intolerance. It's also very likely that simple lifestyle choices can reduce ADHD symptoms by a lot.
The other side of the coin though is that it might be way overdiagnosed, just like idk, gluten intolerance. It's also very likely that simple lifestyle choices can reduce ADHD symptoms by a lot.
cherry2000
Banned
Like a few here have said, you really need to be close to someone who has it to see how it can affect quality of life compared to natural development. It's unfortunate that some people really don't get it until they witness it firsthand or have someone dear to them have it.
ZywyPL
Banned
Hard to tell nowadays. My mom is a teacher in primary school, classes 1-3, and apparently she's some kind of miracle-worker because every single year she cures tons of ADHD, Tourette's syndrome, dyslexia and whatever the fuck paper the lazy/incompetent parents get for their lazy/stubborn kids.
Amiga
Member
I have the "symptoms", my father had them, my brother has it and one of my kids has it. for us we are the normal and most other people are weirdly liner.
Malakhov
Banned
Sugar and screens like tablets etc.. is a no go for my son, its been very limited. He's a skyrocket after a bit of these and will do very impulsive moves afterwards like breaking his own toy then crying over the fact that he broke it after
Malakhov
Banned
While I agree it's over diagnosed you're a total dumbfuck to think all the parents of these kids are lazy/incompetent
My daughter is older than my son, never had problems with her, I raised my son the same, gave him all my attention the same, no electronics, spent every time of the day I could to go play the ball with him outside etc.. but it still happened, and to the point he wanted to kill himself because of this thing he couldn't control inside of him
Go get fucked
ZywyPL
Banned
Of course it does happen, is an actual disorder after all. But like I said, 10-20 years ago it wasn't as widely soread as it is nowadays, where literally every 2nd-3rd kid joins school with at least one disorder, only because parents exploit it so that their kids have easier life in school. But then again doctors are to blame for giving false/too early diagnose.
Bunker Hosted
Member
Rest
All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
It would not be in the DSM-5 if it was not recognizable, verifiable, or without known repeatable treatment. Scientists and doctors agree that it is real and can recognize the symptoms and treat it.
It is real.
It is real.
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Malakhov
Banned
That I agree with, I think there is a lot of misdiagnosed kids out there. I think there is also behavior problems linked to it, but in my son's case, it wasn't.
Something is really pushing him to do things he doesn't want to, he doesn't even understand how he did these things. He felt so guilty and bad afterwards, like breaking something that was to another kid in school because he was happy and excited, then realising what he had just done and then being yelled at at school, getting grounded, getting isolated. It was really distressing for me and him.
The hyperactivity I can deal with it, we play a lot, basketball, throwing the ball, going at the park but this is something we couldn't do anything about without the fucking meds I didn't want in the first place.
Vicetrailia
Banned
is she so strict that they do their best to suppress it until they get home and unleash on their parents?
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ZywyPL
Banned
Depends on the kid, from what she says sometime she completely ignores their loud, aggressive behavior, tells other kids to mind their own business as well, etc. so without any attention they eventually start doing what everyone else in the class is. Sometimes she puts them right in place telling them strictly that this is what everyone has to do now and they have to do it as well, that she doesn't have time to fight with them and they will do whatever they want after school and so on. She's somehow always spot-on with how to approach each kid, that's why just as the school year ends her next class after summer is already full, because like half of the town wants their kids to go exactly to her class, there are literally sign-up queues, there's even a woman who always thanks her so much every single time she sees her, for how mannerly her daughter became, even tho that was 20 years ago. The kids themselves surprisingly love her too while you might think they'll hate her, those are actually the ones who always warmly greet her even decades later, and those who are the first ones to send their own kids to her. But my mom is personally exhausted because of all that and just counts years to her retirement now, she literally has enough of all those kids and their dump parents parents.
Whitecrow
Banned
So depression doesnt exist either?
Are you telling us the only neurotransmitter we can have low or imbalanced is serotonin?
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We overmedicate in the United States in most areas where behavioral therapy would be just as effective, although probably not as immediately dramatic.
Malakhov
Banned
Yes we do indeed overmedicate, but sometimes it's the only resort. I tried every therapy there is, everything, and while it helped him a bit, nothing can stop this impulsiveness that is so strong and taking control of his actions.
In his own words, 'i am tired of having this thing inside me making me do these things, I wish I was normal, I want this to go away'
And I was against medication, I work with drugs, I fucking hate them, but it got rid of that 'thing' inside of him. All the therapy and everything we tried never did
RJMacready73
Banned
what a kick in the teeth to the thousands AND thousands of parents around the world dealing with shit on a daily basis.. fucking pseudoscience, same cunts that call this pseudoscience are the same cunts screaming at medical workers wearing masks and advocate essential oils and prayer.. christ i hate stupid people
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QuantumZebra
Member
This isn't assbergers, or even the 'tism.
ADHD is real and has been recognized for decades.
There's mountains of research to show that one person can sit still attentively for quite some time, while the other is thinking about squirrel pigeons attacking Mars.
That's not to say folks with ADHD can't control it (I made my way through UGA without adderall or anything else - I just focused my wandering mind on thinking of the concepts being presented in class - it was tough but not impossible).
I still to this day am trying to finish Skyrim.
No joke, I've bought it on just about every console, and I *enjoy* it... but I literally find myself running in circles while staring at the wall, or just picking up random shit and sorting my inventory, and then I go get a drink and forget my game. Drives my wife nuts.
ADHD is real and has been recognized for decades.
There's mountains of research to show that one person can sit still attentively for quite some time, while the other is thinking about squirrel pigeons attacking Mars.
That's not to say folks with ADHD can't control it (I made my way through UGA without adderall or anything else - I just focused my wandering mind on thinking of the concepts being presented in class - it was tough but not impossible).
I still to this day am trying to finish Skyrim.
No joke, I've bought it on just about every console, and I *enjoy* it... but I literally find myself running in circles while staring at the wall, or just picking up random shit and sorting my inventory, and then I go get a drink and forget my game. Drives my wife nuts.
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