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Does anyone else think current new movies suck ASS? Kill Bill, Coladeral, etc..
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Date of Lies
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I'm sorry but Collateral was not a great movie.
Why doesn't someone try to point out to me what made this movie great instead of crying your eyes out because I said I didn't like it.
I do not hate all movies, I have listed ones I loved throughout this thread. To those who suggested some movies, I will keep an eye out for them.
I have bad taste in movies? :lol
Look, there's nothing that makes Collateral or Kill Bill great and if you thought they were great it's probably because you haven't seen some of the real classics out there. Again, maybe I have high standards but the fact is, I see a lot of faults in a lot of the movies most people call "extremely great." These movies have faults and if you can't see and admit to them, even if you thought they were great movies (which is your opinion and I respect it), than you are the ones who are blind and have questionable taste. Learn to take a step back and analyze these "life changing movies" you've seen.
I just remembered another movie people told me "changed their lives." MAN ON FIRE.
MAN ON FIRE SUCKED. The way they tried to push Denzel Washington into being a badass who "gets thing done." The "a bullet always tells the truth." The stupid snipets of text we saw during the whole movie. The scars on his hand which are later revealed to be gunshot wounds from his hand protecting his body (I was watching the movie with someone and they told said outloud at that point: "That's sooo deep" :lol). The inquisitive little girl who gets throught to the mean old bodyguard story. The plot holes. What plot holes? The guy had the kidnapper's whole family at gunpoint yet he actually agrees to giving his life as part of the deal? What is he? Completely retarded? Why didn't he go "Bitch, I already shot your cousin's arm off, and if you don't want me to fedex the rest of your wife in peices, you give me back that girl. Everyday hour I wait means another finger off your brother's hand" I thought he was an experienced bodyguard? He sure knew how to play it rough when he interogated those drug lords by cutting off their fingers and killing them afterwards (cuz that's how badass he is).
Wow, if you sat down with me to watch this movie, I could easily point out the lame attempts at creating emotion throughout the film. Most obvious of all is the 40 minutes spent on Denzel training the little girl to be a good swimmer. It was so clear how they said to themselves "Ok, so this is a movie about a badass bodyguard who's cold towards everyone. BUT this little inquisitive 'too smart for her age' girl will get throught to him. We'll dedicate the first half of the movie to show how he gets attached to her THEN we'll *surprise surprise* TAKE HER AWAY FROM HIM. And we will *unexpectedly* GO TO GREAT LENGHTS TO GET HER BACK by becoming a uncharismatic brute but it's 'ok' because he's doing it for a little girl which means that he has a heart afterall, aww...
Basically, The Proffesional was absolutely everything Man On Fire tried desperately to be.
Why doesn't someone try to point out to me what made this movie great instead of crying your eyes out because I said I didn't like it.
I do not hate all movies, I have listed ones I loved throughout this thread. To those who suggested some movies, I will keep an eye out for them.
I have bad taste in movies? :lol
Look, there's nothing that makes Collateral or Kill Bill great and if you thought they were great it's probably because you haven't seen some of the real classics out there. Again, maybe I have high standards but the fact is, I see a lot of faults in a lot of the movies most people call "extremely great." These movies have faults and if you can't see and admit to them, even if you thought they were great movies (which is your opinion and I respect it), than you are the ones who are blind and have questionable taste. Learn to take a step back and analyze these "life changing movies" you've seen.
I just remembered another movie people told me "changed their lives." MAN ON FIRE.
MAN ON FIRE SUCKED. The way they tried to push Denzel Washington into being a badass who "gets thing done." The "a bullet always tells the truth." The stupid snipets of text we saw during the whole movie. The scars on his hand which are later revealed to be gunshot wounds from his hand protecting his body (I was watching the movie with someone and they told said outloud at that point: "That's sooo deep" :lol). The inquisitive little girl who gets throught to the mean old bodyguard story. The plot holes. What plot holes? The guy had the kidnapper's whole family at gunpoint yet he actually agrees to giving his life as part of the deal? What is he? Completely retarded? Why didn't he go "Bitch, I already shot your cousin's arm off, and if you don't want me to fedex the rest of your wife in peices, you give me back that girl. Everyday hour I wait means another finger off your brother's hand" I thought he was an experienced bodyguard? He sure knew how to play it rough when he interogated those drug lords by cutting off their fingers and killing them afterwards (cuz that's how badass he is).
Wow, if you sat down with me to watch this movie, I could easily point out the lame attempts at creating emotion throughout the film. Most obvious of all is the 40 minutes spent on Denzel training the little girl to be a good swimmer. It was so clear how they said to themselves "Ok, so this is a movie about a badass bodyguard who's cold towards everyone. BUT this little inquisitive 'too smart for her age' girl will get throught to him. We'll dedicate the first half of the movie to show how he gets attached to her THEN we'll *surprise surprise* TAKE HER AWAY FROM HIM. And we will *unexpectedly* GO TO GREAT LENGHTS TO GET HER BACK by becoming a uncharismatic brute but it's 'ok' because he's doing it for a little girl which means that he has a heart afterall, aww...
Basically, The Proffesional was absolutely everything Man On Fire tried desperately to be.
Date of Lies:
you are wrong about kill bill and collateral
not sure which came out first, but in the novel for Man of Fire the little girl is *abused* and killed a day or two after she is kidnapped
not sure if this is in the movie or not (never saw it) but the father setup the whole kidnapping (didn't plan on her being abused/killed though)
Hollywood had to make up for that so they did the next best thing they could: make a really warm and touching story about love, loss, and reunion
not sure if this is in the movie or not (never saw it) but the father setup the whole kidnapping (didn't plan on her being abused/killed though)
Hollywood had to make up for that so they did the next best thing they could: make a really warm and touching story about love, loss, and reunion
you are wrong about kill bill and collateral
Date of Lies
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Gattsu25 said:
The book sounds alot cooler than the movie, as usual.
She gets kidnapped, they dont say she was rapped or anything, and she get back with her mother at the end, Denzel gives his life in exchange for hers (EVEN though he had the kidnapper's family at gunpoint)
After some thought, I don't think Kill Bill was that bad, it had some interesting things and I think I might be cutting it a little bit too short. It's good, but not great.
I will hold my opinion on Collateral though.
I think a lot of the reasons you don't like Collateral has to do with the fact that English is your third language. A lot of the things that you find so ahem, preposterous about the movie are explained in the rapid fire dialogue that makes up most of the movie.
Edit: Everything is explained, it's just unlike most of the hollywood movies out know the film doesn't bother to HIT YOU OVER THE HEAD with why things are happening. All the information is there the script and director expect you to catch on by yourself and so don't bother to make it blatantly obvious.
Extra Edit: either that or you're 13. Whatever.
Edit: Everything is explained, it's just unlike most of the hollywood movies out know the film doesn't bother to HIT YOU OVER THE HEAD with why things are happening. All the information is there the script and director expect you to catch on by yourself and so don't bother to make it blatantly obvious.
Extra Edit: either that or you're 13. Whatever.
Date of Lies
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Azih said:
:lol
seems like you are trying too hard to like supposed deep movies?
full metal jacket for instance, its a great film, but its not kubric's best (doctor strangelove), nor is it one of the greatest war films (apocalypse now).
but either way, why dont you check out the classics? never too late to start.
spartacus is way older than 20 yrs by the way, 1985 was 20 years ago.
also,
and, cruise's character was appealing and charismatic, exactly why you didnt wanna see him dead.
full metal jacket for instance, its a great film, but its not kubric's best (doctor strangelove), nor is it one of the greatest war films (apocalypse now).
but either way, why dont you check out the classics? never too late to start.
spartacus is way older than 20 yrs by the way, 1985 was 20 years ago.
also,
that was his last contract for the night. the mafia boss she was prosecuting wanted her eliminated. yeah, big coincidence and all that, but it is afterall, a movie. extreme realism isnt necessarilly entertaining. it was meant to be a hollywood blockbuster, you have to watch it with that mindset. dont expect arthouse where its not meant to be.
he answered the question correctly. that scene was there to develop cruise's character. it let the viewer know that, he cant be trusted to be humane. by whatever means, he will finish his job.
again, dont expect a blockbuster movie to have any other than a predictable ending.
and, cruise's character was appealing and charismatic, exactly why you didnt wanna see him dead.
i was gonna list more, but it is subjective either way so i didnt bother (bridge on the river kwai, dr. strangelove, schindler's list, the great escape, saving private ryan, thin red line).Socreges said:Listing one exception doesn't exactly defer it from being "one of" the greatest war films. Besides, it's better than Apocalypse Now.Though I'm sure he enjoyed it for different reasons.
but i cant believe you'd think FMJ is better than apocalypse now.
Foreign Jackass
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Date of Lies said:
Hopefully, somewhere they're never gonna be found again.
Foreign Jackass
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Socreges said:
Watch them again.
Apocalypse Now = One of the top 10 movies of all time.
FMJ = Lesser Kubrick.
Oh, and for the sake of this thread, Collateral was a really good movie. Great performances, great existential dialogue (typical of Mann), excellent cinematography (especially considering he did that on HD DV), well executed high-concept story, ending is a let-down, but still, very cool flick.
Lemurnator
Banned
Date of Lies said:spoilers ahead
KILL BILL
I just saw some avatar with the master puffing his beard and it made me remember how much of a cocksucker Quintin was for thinking he's so cool for adding this old asian master reminiscent of old chinese kung-fu movies but instead purposely making him overexagerated and ridiculous to get some cheap laughs. Quintin Tarantino's FOURTH movie everybody.
COLADERAL
It's not just Kill Bill though, 97% of all new movies seriously suck in my mind. I get people telling me how absolutely great Coladeral was. I went to great lenghts to see it. I didn't have very high expectations either. I was open to anything it would have fed me. And there were a few ideas I liked (the story of the cop trying to save the black guy but getting shot up). But the rest was proposturous. The killer ultimately wanting to kill the bitch the taxi guy just met. The bar scene where he's having a great time with the bar owner (which had horrible acting) and then shooting him up for wrongfully answering a question about jazz or some shit. All this while the other guy's going "OMG WTF!!! YOU'RE KILLING PLP!!!"
And the ending. Typical american happy ending with the bad guy dying. And the lame attempt to sound philosophical by mudering that pointless anecdot : "a guy dies sitting in the subway, goes around for 3 hours, no one notices." Was that the thing you had going on to differ yourself from the rest of the lameass movies out there?
What the fuck is this supposed to tell me? No one cares if you die? They completely failed at making the bad guy the least bit appealing or charismatic (and they were working with TOM CRUISE on top of that)
There's nothing good anymore, especially what people rave about (except The Incredibles)
LOTR? Thanks for ruining the book.
Star Wars? Jesus, don't get me started.
Comedies? Someone PLEASE name me a comedy that doesn't suck completely since Jim Carrey had the bright idea to not make people laugh anymore?
Scary Movie? SUCKS. Bruce Almighty? SUCKS. Meet the Fockers (i liked meet the family btw)? SUCKS. Not another teen movie? SUCKS!!!! Hellboy!? HAHAHAH SUCKS!! ANALYZE THIS? .........SUCKS! Hell, I forgot most of the names of those horrible ass movies. There was that really sucky one, a horror movie, american but set in japan, with this monster being a drowned japanese women...well it SUCKED!
THERE'S NOTHING ANYMORE!! I'm just getting SO TIRED of getting disapointed by these weak ass shallow movies that just tickle the money away from the masses with cheaply generated forced emotions. and I am SO tired of getting "WhAt!? U DIDNT LIKE IT!?? YOU'RE INSANE!!!"
oh and btw, Alexander? HORRIBLY SUCKS!!!
20 years back, movies who had huge budgets had first and formost a very solid story. Look at Spartacus.
Where are the Vanilla Skies? The Dumb and Dumbers? Liar Liars? The Dragon Kisses? The Fight Clubs? The Gladiators (haven't watch Troy yet though)? 2004 has passed without any memorable movies. And I am sad.
(i just didn't fucking get Spotless Mind)
Up the shut fuck.
Foreign Jackass
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jett said:Full Metal Jacket >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apocalypse Now
It should be noted that I only watched AN until recently, and it was the Redux cut. It ended up boring me to death.
Redux is a lesser edition. Still better than disjointed FMJ, though.
Kuro Madoushi
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Sheesh why don't you go get some cheese with your whine...
Kill Bill and Collateral were high profile movies, but they weren't the ONLY movies to come out last year.
I thought it was a decent year for movies, especially for foreign films.
Aren't you being just a bit pretentious here? Why not enjoy what's out there instead of complaining about a small percentage of the films that were released last year.
Kill Bill and Collateral were high profile movies, but they weren't the ONLY movies to come out last year.
I thought it was a decent year for movies, especially for foreign films.
Aren't you being just a bit pretentious here? Why not enjoy what's out there instead of complaining about a small percentage of the films that were released last year.
Matrix said:
Word.
I guess I don't understand what some people's expectations for films is. I mean it's just some idea from someone else trying to entertain you. No big deal really.
Some of them are much more enjoyable than others. But to call a movie like Kill Bill garbage???? And how dare you say that the Lord of the Rings movies ruined the books?????
Your taste sucks worse than you mom. :lol
C'mon man. You menioned two of the very few movies of 2004 that I actually liked. I totally agree that Hollywood is getting worse day by day but please these movies had quality. Oh and btw about your Kill Bill comments, you probably don't know what surrealism means. It's good trust me.
Date of Lies
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but come on, it's so overdone. The ending was really what backfired the whole movie.nitewulf said:
Yes, precisely, I know. I understand exactly what the direction tried to do. But that's the problem right there, it's just WAY too obvious and transparent. It's like I could read exactly what was on the scriptwriter's mind when he wrote that. "Yeah, we need a scene to show everyone just how much of a badass Tom Cruise is. Yeah a real badass scene. Yeah..."
That's just it I didn't find him to be charismatic or appealing. He had no character development outside "i gotta get the job done, I'll kill as much as I can, if it'll get the job done" and something about how he killed his dad. I can't relate or look up to scum bags like that. Honestly who can?
I appreciate your post as it atleast tries to elaborate your opinion and vision of the movie.
Kabuki Waq
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Apocalypse now gets stupid soon as brando shows up and Full metal jacket was great up until the end of the Training camp and then went to shit. Both movies are overrated.
Foreign Jackass
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Kabuki Waq said:
Half of this is true. Full metal jacket's training camp part is THE great part of the movie. Other parts go from good to boring.
Apocalypse now gets CLASSIC once Brando shows up.
={<SMOKE>}=
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Date of Lies said:
i don't think they were trying to make him a badass. instead, i think they were trying to reveal more of his character. he is not a man of his word. his work MUST be done because it is all that he has.
Date of Lies said:
did you ask yourself why he didn't kill jamie foxx--even after he threw his briefcase onto the highway, destroying all his intel? seriously, why not kill him and find another cab driver who doesn't know what your up to? tom cruise's character needed jamie foxx's character. they were in it together. i think there's a lot of development done on tom cruise's character, you're just not getting it...
collateral rocks by the way, although i agree the ending sucks. even still, the introduction scene between jada pinkett-smith and jamie foxx is one of my favorite parts of the movie, so maybe it's worth it.
Date of Lies
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={<SMOKE>}= said:
Alright, I'm going to agree to this middle ground. "rocks" yet "ending sucked" and "maybe it's worth it".
Warm Machine
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I love this arguing over Full Metal Jacket and Apocalypse now. Lets argue over 2 movies that are about as good as movies get! Even if one is better than the other, one comes in as a 9/10 as opposed to a 10/10.
Movies this year are the same as they have always been. Some good stuff, some bad stuff, and about 10 films that really stand out, 3 of which may be classics. Best thing to do is watch a shit load of movies every year, even stuff that you don't think you'll like, and you will find something good.
Movies this year are the same as they have always been. Some good stuff, some bad stuff, and about 10 films that really stand out, 3 of which may be classics. Best thing to do is watch a shit load of movies every year, even stuff that you don't think you'll like, and you will find something good.
captainbiotch
Banned
Kill Bill and Collateral were mediocre. Vanilla Sky is one of my favorite movies, I watch it often. That is as far as I will play.
deadhorse32
Bad Art
Date of lies : if you want to pimp Vanilla Sky and want to show off your movie knowledge at least watch Open Your Eyes (Abre los ojos) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125659/
Date of Lies
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Milhouse31 said:
yeah, I own it already.
I've also seen the original spanish vanilla sky.
Meier said:
Yeah that threw me off too! Fucking Mike Works :lol
jett said:Full Metal Jacket >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apocalypse Now
It should be noted that I only watched AN until recently, and it was the Redux cut. It ended up boring me to death.
I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with jett on something! But yeah FMJ>>>>>every other war movie to date. Kubrick's best? No...that would be the Shining. But like jett said AN was boring as fuck and overrated to the max. Hell, Hamburger Hill is a better flick than AN.
Eh the jazz man scene works if you note that Vincent(Cruise) had to get the jazz guy alone. So he gets the jazz guy talking until THE REST OF HIS STAFF leaves, stalls as much as he can, and then boom. Clean hit, no witnesses, job done. I mean the movie did show the last waitress leaving for the night. The fact that the movie didn't HIT YOU OVER THE HEAD WITH THAT actually makes it a better film, not a worse one.
Foreign Jackass
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Date of Lies said:
Mmm.. Isn't Abre los ojos the original spanish vanilla sky? This post is confusing.
isamu said:
The Redux cut of Apocalypse Now completely ruins the pacing of the movie, even if you're unfamiliar with the original. The extended sequence in that French "colony" covers an important aspect of the war that isn't in any other Vietnam War film I can think of, but that's all I can say for it.
As for Full Metal Jacket--on my first couple of viewings of it, I thought the second half paled in comparison to the first half and saw them as a pair of loosely connected short films, but later on I realized that the whole thing's all of a piece. There's character development in the first half that doesn't pay off until the second half, as well as some deliberately drawn contrasts between the insular atmosphere of the training camp and the wide-open world of Vietnam. The two halves work so well together because the first half sets up a number of cartoonishly exaggerated military cliches that the new kids in the camp end up embracing (either by choice, or out of necessity), and the second half shows how unrealistic those cliches are.
If you're expecting a standard-issue war movie, then only the first half is any good to you, but if you're expecting a Kubrick movie, then the whole thing's genius.
Foreign Jackass
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This is such an uninformed comment. Plenty of huge budget movies were bad "20 years back". By the way, 20 years back is 1985. Spartacus is like, 1960 (and not that good anyway). Cimino's Heaven's Gate was a big budget flick. As long as movies existed, there were flops and duds. The fact that there is more and more shit is because people tend to LIKE shit. Gladiator (Shit) was an incredible success, Troy made 133 millions, Resident Evil made 40 millions, I mean, people watch bad movies all the time.Date of Lies said:
If you want good movies, watch oldies (I am pretty much certain there are plenty great movies you haven't seen), or just choose your movies more carefully. Vanilla Sky is nothing to get excited about, in my opinion. Cameron Crowe isn't really a good director (although Almost Famous was kinda great). If that's in your taste, I can't really give you good advice on what film you should look for, but well, look in the oldies and see what you've missed.
Foreign Jackass
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You were right the first time. The second half had pretty uninteresting set pieces, and the fact that it was shot in England really diminishes the whole realism of it. Yeah, there are some characters that are developed in the first half that are used to good effect in the second half, but most of the time, it was boring stuff. I'll watch it again later this week to confirm this, but I've already seen it thrice, and it's one of the lesser Kubrick flicks I've seen (although it's still good).Prospero said:
Oh, and to the person who said The Shining is the best Kubrick, you gotta be fuckin kidding me. This movie was a cool horror flick (although it was a complete MASSACRE of the original classic King book), with great performances and great use of tracking shots. But come on, the guy has 2001, Strangelove, Eyes Wide Shut, Full Metal Jacket, Clockwork Orange, and Barry Lindon in his career, which are equal or better to The Shining (some would include The Killing, Spartacus or Paths of Glory). The Shining is the best Kubrick movie you've seen when you're like 14 years old. Then, you get older, you rewatch it, and it goes down the list.
Date of Lies said:
Wow, it's like you saw this film right... but then right before you finished watching it someone rammed a giant metal spike into your temple. Somehow you survived, but they totally screwed up your wiring. His name is Quentin, by the way. Also your comment on Pai Mei(sp) indicates that you really need to expand your knowledge of the movies that Tarantino loves and emulated.
Date of Lies said:
Are you joking? The movies are, arguably, much better than the books. And you're talking to the end-all-be-all LOTR geek, someone who has over 20 different versions of the LOTR trilogy on book and then some. But there's no doubt that Tolkien writes books a certain way and they're not exactly conducive to enhancing the amazing worlds he creates. He's descriptive, but he's also slow and plodding when he shouldn't be and he often goes off about things that really have little relevance to the story at hand.
Now, I love the books, but even if you like the books better than the movies... they're still fantastic.
Date of Lies said:
You're correct about this, at least.
nitewulf said:
Oh God yes. This movie is excellent and I highly reccomend it to anyone who has not yet seen it.
karasu said:
I agree with these but especially your Dreamers and Motorcycle Diaries reccomendation.
Agent Dormer said:
Yup, all good films although I'd discard Super Size Me.
If he's going to see Eternal Sunshine again, he has got to pick up the brand-new-just-released 2-Disc Collector's Edition.
Kinsey is wonderful. And Sideways just topped off my movie going season in such a fantastic way and it receives my highest quadruple thumb reccomendation.
Anyway, I reccomend the following:
Before Sunset: Such an incredible film, really, and even though it focuses on this conversation between these two people you don't need to be pretentious to appreciate it! Much reccomended. If you can, pick up Before Sunrise as well.
Leon the Professional: I'm taking the opportunity to re-reccomend this re-issue because it came out on Jan 11, 2005 and if you've never seen it it's worth a dive. You probably have seen it, but it's worth mentioning again.
The Sea Inside: An amazing true story about a terminally ill man who fights to be able to make the final decision to take his life. The film isn't always perfect and there's a misstep here and there... but Javier Bardem as Ramón Sampedro elevates everything to a level that is both poigniant and powerful.
Finding Neverland: Perhaps it'll be a bit too saccharine for your tastes, perhaps it'll be a bit too "American-ized." But at its heart it's a superbly crafted tale of capturing that innocence that may still be within us, or saving that same innocence for those who have not yet "grown up." It's a strange sort of parallel to J.M. Barrie's own story, Peter Pan, which is of course intentional... but it works surprisingly well. Kate Winslet gives a fantastic performance, as always, and Johnny Depp can do no wrong.
Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring: The sort of perennially overlooked film that you may be wanting to hear about, it's a stunningly beautiful film about life lessons taught to a boy by an elderly monk. It takes place in an episodic nature, focusing on different seasons (not all in a row, though, some are many years apart). This change mirrors the boys own growth and the lessons he must learn for himself. It's excellent.
Also see:
Million Dollar Baby
Vera Drake
The Woodsman
Hotel Rwanda
House of Flying Daggers
Etc...
deadhorse32
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Foreign Jackass said:
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FeedMeAStrayCat
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Although not very current, I liked.. umm.. Daredevil.. ~runs away~
Foreign Jackass
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Isn't Man on Fire supposed to suck big balls?
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