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[Einchy]

I have an existential crisis each time I eat a burger.

 

[Aizo]

Wait...did the op really just repost the op?

Yeah. I drastically edited the OP, due to complaints and confusion, because I genuinely want to have this discussion. If I could delete it all and start over, I would, but I'm trying to clean it up.

The whole OP that I cut was re-posted to archive and have a link to in the new version.

 

[striferser]

Yes, i know that porn star being pay low wage and some of them do it due to financial reason. Which is a shame. I still occasionally watch it, but not gonna lie, i wish whoever play it at least enjoy it.


Do you eat meat? If so, are you educated on the way your meat is obtained? Do you avoid educating yourself? How do you feel about eating meat?
Yes, As for meat, i even watch as the butcher slaughter live cow or goat, skin, and cut every meat using nothing but a cleaver, it's a part of my culture. No, i'm watching a documentary of how to raise farm animal. They're delicious, and i don't feel too bad about it to be honest, we're on the higher food chain, not to mention there are lot of people involved in raising and butchering animals. I feel like i respect those people who did a very good job raising the meat to be delicious and cheap to procure.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

I would assume it goes this way:

-> Apathy due to ignorance (you just have no reason to feel bad)
-> Apathy due to some biological hierarchy of need (you have more important reasons to ignore it)
-> When the facts can't be avoided and your biological needs are low your cognitive defense mechanism have to kick in (you can't ignore it so your brain has to do something about it like cognitive dissonance)

edit: you yeah I would say you don't need either of them to do the activities and don't feel bad about them, more so if you can see you behavior validated by other individuals doing the same in a much hither number than the evidence of its negative side.

 

[Aizo]

Wait...did the op really just repost the op?

Yeah. I drastically edited the OP, due to complaints and confusion, because I genuinely want to have this discussion. If I could delete it all and start over, I would, but I'm trying to clean it up.

The whole OP that I cut was re-posted to archive and have a link to in the new version.

I'm just trying to make it more concise and neutral. I don't want people to feel defensive or feel that I'm being condescending.

 

[Greddleok]

Firstly I think it depends on the meat and porn your consume. Both can be ethically sourced.

Secondly, I've worked with animals, I have no issue with eating meat from animals killed, however I do have issue with eating anything from animals stored in completely inhumane conditions. Fortunately I can buy one over the other. I've been vegetarian, mainly because I thought factory farming was gross, but I went back to meat because it's not all done like that (and I was dreaming of meat every night for 3 years).

With porn...I dunno, the actresses in the American industry are often feminists and go into it out of choice. I don't really watch any other type...

 

[Einchy]

Yeah. I drastically edited the OP, due to complaints and confusion, because I genuinely want to have this discussion. If I could delete it all and start over, I would, but I'm trying to clean it up.

The whole OP that I cut was re-posted to archive and have a link to in the new version.

Yeah. I drastically edited the OP, due to complaints and confusion, because I genuinely want to have this discussion. If I could delete it all and start over, I would, but I'm trying to clean it up.

The whole OP that I cut was re-posted to archive and have a link to in the new version.

I'm just trying to make it more concise and neutral. I don't want people to feel defensive or feel that I'm being condescending.

Did you accidently repost that instead of editing it?

 

[TheAutomator]

Yeah I don't watch porn anymore. I can live without it and I'm sure many others can.

Meat though, is a problem. There should be more awareness to animal cruelty.

 

[Staccat0]

As much as possible, I ensure the meat I eat is humanely made. Obviously most people don't have that luxury.

At the same time, the reality is that if we didn't eat cows and chickens, they would not exist. I find it very difficult to stomach an argument that says that genocide is preferable to suffering, although obviously that argument is there. So I think I would probably eat them in any case.

You take this to it's logical conclusion and you end up making pro-life anti-abortion arguments, haha

I'm not here to lecture people or tell them what to eat, but saving the lives of hypothetical future cows who haven't been born yet is really funny to me. Not that I am even saying you are wrong or shouldn't feel that way. It just literally gives mw a chuckle to think of some dude crying over a steak that he must eat to stop the genocide.

 

[Breads]

I find myself asking this question a lot but here it goes again.

Where do you draw the line?

I didn't make the bed I sleep on nor did I gather or refine the raw materials that went into its creation. I didn't farm for the fruits I eat nor did I gather and filter the water I drink (though I filter tap if that counts). I didn't raise the chickens who eggs I consumed nor did I the cow that went into my fajitas. I didn't build the roads or develop shipping the infrastructure, prop up the businesses I work with, design the vehicle I drive, invest in the R&D in the electronics I use, fight for my country and so on and so on ad infinitum. My job as a freelance illustrator/ graphic artist is completely unnecessary and a luxory to society and my entire existence is predicated on taking advantage of a disproportionate amount of labor and exploitation. It takes thousands of people to keep my lifestyle going and here I am at 3am on neogaf. Surely some of it is exploitative and it's possible people have already died in the process of something I directly take advantage of. And to be alive right here right now surely wars had to have been fought and groups of people made extinct for me to win the biological lottery to even exist.


Why limit myself to feeling guilty about these two specific things? Why is the line drawn here?

I don't think there is anything moral about feeling guilt here for these two specific things. I think it comes from a completely self serving place to cherry pick two instances that make you feel better to bat for.

To answer the question no - I do not feel guilt. Society would have not reached the peaks that allowed us to even have this conversation if it had not been for backs of the exploited and the lives of those who lost. Sure there has been instances where I have looked upon the world and myself in disgust but I know enough to know that if I feel guilt for one thing and not literally everything else I'd be lying to myself one way or another.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

I see. Have you watched documentaries on porn production's dark side/did you read the article from The Japan Times that I posted in the original post? I guess I am assuming too much in that I believe one would feel guilty knowing those things and enjoying porn, but my questions have also been about why one does not feel guilty while also being educated on the topics. That has, since the original, un-edited post at the beginning, been a clear option that I recognized. When that is the case, I'd like to know why.

So, why is it that you don't feel guilty, despite knowing what the women go through? I'm genuinely asking, and I'm not going to tell you that you should be guilty.

Again, you're asking the sky to be green. It's irrelevant to the discussion-Even if you showed me the most brutal shit about porn, on how the people are treated, I still probably wouldn't feel guilty watching it. And no, it's not because I don't lack empathy.

Let's look at this.

but my questions have also been about why one does not feel guilty while also being educated on the topics

Because there's a certain point where it's futile to worry about such things. I know about existing slavery in different countries, sex trafficking, poverty, corruption, children being indoctrinated to cause violence, child abuse, etc.

To single out porn since it's one of the two title subjects, saying 'well haven't you seen these documentaries? How could you not feel guilty' is well....futile. I don't feel guilty because I don't associate guilt with it. Just like I don't feel guilty eating meat because I don't associate guilt with it, therefore there's nothing to feel(Guilt, in this case). I'm also not naive in thinking that as a singular person, with little to no influence on this world, will feel like I'm making a change in this world by not partaking in meat and/or porn.

Again, you're asking for something that isn't there. I do not associate these subjects with personal guilt, therefore the only thing I can explain is my thought process on why I don't associate guilt with these things. It's not a matter of 'Why don't you feel guilty', it's a matter of 'why should I, for myself, assign guilt to partaking in these things which I have no control over how it's done.'

 

[Frozenprince]

Right, and I don't say that in a defeatist, "let's just give up" way.

I'm genuinely, earnestly saying that in attempting to take a principled, all-encompassing stance, we may cause more harm than good.
Does one require ignorance or cognitive dissonance to take such strong stances, then?

We need to know more, more, more.

By the way, I think this is a great thread. I understand and even relate to how some people naturally become defensive, but it's a good discussion to have!

See "War on Drugs"

 

[TheAutomator]

I find myself asking this question a lot but here it goes again.

Where do you draw the line?

I didn't make the bed I sleep on nor did I gather or refine the raw materials that went into its creation. I didn't farm for the fruits I eat nor did I gather and filter the water I drink (though I filter tap if that counts). I didn't raise the chickens who eggs I consumed nor did I the cow that went into my fajitas. I didn't build the roads or develop shipping the infrastructure, prop up the businesses I work with, design the vehicle I drive, invest in the R&D in the electronics I use, fight for my country and so on and so on ad infinitum. My job as a freelance illustrator/ graphic artist is completely unnecessary and a luxory to society and my entire existence is predicated on taking advantage of a disproportionate amount of labor and exploitation. It takes thousands of people to keep my lifestyle going and here I am at 3am on neogaf. Surely some of it is exploitative and it's possible people have already died in the process of something I directly take advantage of. And to be alive right here right now surely wars had to have been fought and groups of people made extinct for me to win the biological lottery to even exist.


Why limit myself to feeling guilty about these two specific things? Why is the line drawn here?

I don't think there is anything moral about feeling guilt here for these two specific things. I think it comes from a completely self serving place to cherry pick two instances that make you feel better to bat for.

To answer the question no - I do not feel guilt. Society would have not reached the peaks that allowed us to even have this conversation if it had not been for backs of the exploited and the lives of those who lost. Sure there has been instances where I have looked upon the world and myself in disgust but I know enough to know that if I feel guilt for one thing and not literally everything else I'd be lying to myself one way or another.

Now that's cognitive dissonance.

 

[hawk2025]

See "War on Drugs"

Yep, great example.

 

[dity]

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But what about the chilli dogs Sonic?

 

[NumberThree]

I know how where meat comes from. I've lived on a farm, I know people who work at a slaughterhouse and I watched a friend cut his homegrown chicken's head off with an axe a few months ago.

Doesn't really bother me in everyday life, but I wouldn't mind if there was both an economically and ecologically viable alternative. I'd pay (slightly) more for something like lab-grown meat, just like I now pay more for eggs from chicken with better living conditions.

 

[Two Words]

One can always enjoy the wholesome goodness of the several "gone wild" subreddits on Reddit.

 

[TheAutomator]

Again, you're asking the sky to be green. It's irrelevant to the discussion-Even if you showed me the most brutal shit about porn, on how the people are treated, I still probably wouldn't feel guilty watching it. And no, it's not because I don't lack empathy.

Let's look at this.



Because there's a certain point where it's futile to worry about such things. I know about existing slavery in different countries, sex trafficking, poverty, corruption, children being indoctrinated to cause violence, child abuse, etc.

To single out porn since it's one of the two title subjects, saying 'well haven't you seen these documentaries? How could you not feel guilty' is well....futile. I don't feel guilty because I don't associate guilt with it. Just like I don't feel guilty eating meat because I don't associate guilt with it, therefore there's nothing to feel(Guilt, in this case). I'm also not naive in thinking that as a singular person, with little to no influence on this world, will feel like I'm making a change in this world by not partaking in meat and/or porn.

Again, you're asking for something that isn't there. I do not associate these subjects with personal guilt, therefore the only thing I can explain is my thought process on why I don't associate guilt with these things. It's not a matter of 'Why don't you feel guilty', it's a matter of 'why should I, for myself, assign guilt to partaking in these things which I have no control over how it's done.'

Such a defeatist way of thinking. A single human can have a lot of influence on the world. We are powerful.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

A topic in which it belongs the discussion of both poultry and gone wild seems so intuitive for some reason.

 

[dejay]

I try and eat meat that's been sourced from somewhere half decent. The RSPCA (Australia) certifies some meat, eggs, etc in supermarket chains for instance. They don't grow up in animal utopia, but at least it sets certain standards. I know the farmers want the RSPCA to stick to pets and not farmed animals, so that tells me they're doing something positive. I'd like to see these standards become country wide standards that also apply to live animal exports (or better still, ban live animal exports).

As for porn, there are some girls who seem to be better balanced, actually enjoy it and manage to find decent directors. I try not to go for degrading stuff.

In the end, almost everyone is exploited. No, I'm not in the top 2% of my country, but by earnings I'm probably in the top 5% of the planet. I understand that to some extent at least it's a dog-eat-dog world.

Do I not buy clothes from certain countries and therefore deny workers there any income? Do I not buy electronics from other countries?

Ideally there would be a minimum world living wage, indexed somehow to the cost of living in each area. If that ever happens, it won't be in my life time.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Such a defeatist way of thinking. A single human can have a lot of influence on the world. We are powerful.

Defeatist? Closer to morbid realism.

I hate that train of thought-'You are powerful as singular people! One person can change the world!'.

Only very few people can 'change' the world by themselves. Even then, they usually require a network that is there to support them in that change.

Me? I tend to do my own things to be happy. I don't worry about having guilt when I eat meat. Despite the world being a shitty place that's extremely volatile, I continue doing my own thing. That is better than thinking you can change the world, because chances are if you're busy thinking that, then you aren't in a position to change anything.

 

[Gastone]

I enjoy both with no regret or feeling of guilt

 

[dity]

Defeatist? Closer to morbid realism.

I hate that train of thought-'You are powerful as singular people! One person can change the world!'.

Only very few people can 'change' the world by themselves. Even then, they usually require a network that is there to support them in that change.

Me? I tend to do my own things to be happy. I don't worry about having guilt when I eat meat. Despite the world being a shitty place that's extremely volatile, I continue doing my own thing. That is better than thinking you can change the world, because chances are if you're busy thinking that, then you aren't in a position to change anything.

Think about scale. Yesterday, I changed the world when I bought yoghurt. I displaced the yoghurt. Someone else could have bought it, but I bought it.

 

[blackflag]

Well my partner doesn't eat meat or watch porn. I do both so I'd say cognitive dissonance since its definitely not ignorance. Lately though, I've been trying to only stick to porn she let me take of her though.

 

[Aizo]

I enjoy both with no regret or feeling of guilt

Would you please elaborate on your thought process? I'm interested in understanding the way others think about this topic!

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Think about scale. Yesterday, I changed the world when I bought yoghurt. I displaced the yoghurt. Someone else could have bought it, but I bought it.

If we're going down that route...

Yesterday I found a lotto ticket on the ground. It was current! I could've won the lottery. I didn't win the lottery. I could've done good with that money. But I didn't.

So then I went out and had fun last night and didn't wallow in my sorrow of not winning and being the one.

So as how to it relates...

...

When I eat meat or watch porn I don't wallow in sorrow of the bad things that may or may not be happening to create these pieces of consumer goods.

 

[Jezbollah]

OP, I'm afraid you're very (albeit charmingly) naive about how the world works.

Take a greater look at consumerism as a whole. We don't live in a utopia where there are zero ramification to every action we do during our lives.

 

[dity]

If we're going down that route...

Yesterday I found a lotto ticket on the ground. It was current! I could've won the lottery. I didn't win the lottery. I could've done good with that money. But I didn't.

So then I went out and had fun last night and didn't wallow in my sorrow of not winning and being the one.

One less ticket to ponder. We're changing the world, yo, one experience at a time.

 

[Duji]

Society is not built for a vegetarian lifestyle and it won't be until we actually have a cheap replacement for meat that provides as much as it does in terms of nutrients/taste. I am all for lab grown or synthetic meat and believe it will be the only way the majority of the populace will change habits. As of now though, the majority of the populace cannot afford to eat vegetarian at this point in time (both in terms of time and money). Global society however, cannot afford to be meat based. But there needs to be a significant transition period with all kinds of infrastructure changes before we reach that point.

It will be much easier to replace meat with synthetic meat than it will be to make everyone eat tofu or whatever. Synthetic meat can also integrate into our food production/delivery system in a very non-disruptive way (it doesn't really matter to McDonald's where they get their meat, but McDonald's can't survive without a meat equivalent).

Potatoes, rice, eggs, lentils. Shit is cheap dude. The replacements are there ... vegetarians don't sit around eating lettuce and tofu all day.

India has a MASSIVE vegetarian population too; are they losing out in any way for not having meat?

 

[BreezyLimbo]

One less ticket to ponder. We're changing the world, yo, one experience at a time.

You with your yogurt and me with my lotto ticket finding expertise.

If we team up, I'm sure we'll reach an event horizon where we find a winning lottery ticket in a cup of yogurt.

 

[dity]

You with your yogurt and me with my lotto ticket finding expertise.

If we team up, I'm sure we'll reach an event horizon where we find a winning lottery ticket in a cup of yogurt.

That sounds rightly scrumptious.

 

[Aizo]

OP, I'm afraid you're very (albeit charmingly) naive about how the world works.

Take a greater look at consumerism as a whole. We don't live in a utopia where there are zero ramification to every action we do during our lives.

Well, it being charming to you made me smile still.
I suppose you're right. In a society with such intense consummerism, how can one avoid negatively affecting tons of people by merely living their life normally?
Still, I've learned more just by creating the thread, which is a step in the right direction. I can try to be better.

The thought that we shouldn't do anything, just because each of us has a small impact is not something I can recognize.

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

I don't want my future food to be sick. Stop it with the antibiotic hate.
Antibiotic abuse and animal abuse should seriously be investigated, but lobbying and just plain budgeting really makes it an imperfect system.

 

[Jezbollah]

Well, it being charming to you made me smile still.
I suppose you're right. In a society with such intense consummerism, how can one avoid negatively affecting tons of people by merely living their life normally?
Still, I've learned more just by creating the thread, which is a step in the right direction. I can try to be better.

The thought that we shouldn't do anything, just because each of us has a small impact is not something I can recognize.

I think we can all try to be better, unfortunately there are not so many good like-minded people in the world - it is a sad thing but there will need to be a massive life changing event that happens to this society for us as humans to change our ways.

When I think about how much damage the human race is likely to have done to this planet in the space of the last 250 years, its actually quite depressing

 

[pezley]

I never have really understood the sympathy behind doing adult movies because you are desperate for money. Don't get me wrong, thats a horrible situation to be in but it's no different to people who need to take a second job to keep their family or the people who work in fast food beccause they are desperate etc. I'm not trying to discredit those jobs, everyone needs to work but there are also people everywhere who hate their job but need to pay their bills.

In certain coutnries I can see this being exploited but in America for instance there are plenty of jobs for those looking and wiling to do lower end work. Adult movies shouldnt be a go to just because you are desperate

 

[TheAutomator]

Defeatist? Closer to morbid realism.

I hate that train of thought-'You are powerful as singular people! One person can change the world!'.

Only very few people can 'change' the world by themselves. Even then, they usually require a network that is there to support them in that change.

Me? I tend to do my own things to be happy. I don't worry about having guilt when I eat meat. Despite the world being a shitty place that's extremely volatile, I continue doing my own thing. That is better than thinking you can change the world, because chances are if you're busy thinking that, then you aren't in a position to change anything.

Martin Luther? Anita Sarkeesian? Bernie Sanders?

I mean sure, they did not literally change the world, but they had a big influence on issues and got people to change.

 

[itxaka]

Right, and I don't say that in a defeatist, "let's just give up" way.

I do.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

I never have really understood the sympathy behind doing adult movies because you are desperate for money. Don't get me wrong, thats a horrible situation to be in but it's no different to people who need to take a second job to keep their family or the people who work in fast food beccause they are desperate etc. I'm not trying to discredit those jobs, everyone needs to work but there are also people everywhere who hate their job but need to pay their bills.

In certain coutnries I can see this being exploited but in America for instance there are plenty of jobs for those looking and wiling to do lower end work. Adult movies shouldnt be a go to just because you are desperate

Because people aren't robots. People are tugged and pulled in every direction of their life, nobody has perfect decision-making skills that let them decide against something that is wrong. For example, one of my friends in high school got into porn because her boyfriend at the time was making her do it. She got out of it when she left him, the point being that people can be influenced or forced to do things despite there being another option.

Martin Luther? Anita Sarkeesian? Bernie Sanders?

I mean sure, they did not literally change the world, but they had a big influence on issues and got people to change.

At the same time, yes they had influence, but to accredit them for everything their movement accomplished(Whether it's civil rights, female representation in video games and...uh....spreading the socialist manifesto to Hilary Clinton

Spoiler

I'm joking on the last part, don't kill me

) is also short-sighted. They accomplished alot yes, but without the support of their communities and networks, they couldn't single-handedly do what they set out to do. That's without taking into account that things are still extremely shitty for black people in america, female representation is still so-so in video games. They brought awareness to a larger audience, that part I'll agree on.

Point being, that there is no point in history nor will there ever be a point in history where you can accredit a singular, massive change in the world to a single-person. To large, like-minded groups yes, but a single person has very little say until they become a mob and that mob has power.

 

[RM8]

Yeah, I'm honestly someone who really loves animals, and I wouldn't have a proper answer if you asked me why I still eat meat. I'm not proud of it and I admire people who don't, yet I keep eating meat. I'm not a massive meat eater, though, and I don't mind having a vegetarian alternative when it's there (I love veggies, grains, etc.), but I do eat meat sometimes. When I read stuff about vegetarianism / veganism, I agree 100% with their ideals, but I'm sucky and I'm not willing to modify my lifestyle to match them, I guess.

 

[ashmountains]

I eat meat. I'm well aware of the processes required in having said meat available, and I don't have any particular moral quandaries regarding it because I see animals as a good food source for humans. That said, I do think it is important to be aware of our consumption level of meat. Lately, I've been trying to introduce more vegetarian meals to my diet — not because I'm planning on becoming vegetarian (love meat too much for that), but simply because I want to explore more options and would like to be less reliant on having meat constantly. Also, the environmental impact of eating meat does play a role in my way of thinking.

I also do think it's good to use an animal as fully as possible, which means that I eat a lot of animal parts that plenty of Westerners would feel iffy about (e.g. chicken hearts, intestines, pig feet, pig tails, etc.). By consuming an animal fully, I feel that there'll be less unnecessary wastage, less animals required to die for the same amount of food, and hence less environmental impact.

 

[Ampersands]

I"m sure if you looked hard enough, you could find something wrong with everything in life. I guess we all just internalize it until it doesn't matter anymore.

 

[Prototype Viktor]

well you're trying to imply you have no unconscious craving for meat. we are not that kind of animal to just be herbivores. put that meat in front of me

Spoiler

a statement i suggest you to post in LettersGAF to put some happiness in your life at the responses you'd get

 

[Mr. Giggles]

Well.... Humans are douchebags as far as mammals go...

Is there anything we don't ruin?

But seriously Op, I think people just would rather not want to deal with the lifestyle changes.

Watched that documentary called "cowpocalypse", it really opened my eyes but even after that, I still want(need?) meat in some capacity be it white or red

 

[SkeptiMism]

Often yes. A lot of people like to shut themselves from the wrongdoing, and I can't really blame anyone for doing it. I do it too to some extent to be honest.

In general though, while I do a lot of things that I know are pretty bad in many ways, and probably a lot of things that I don't know are bad in many ways, I try to be conscious of them and I try to choose things that are the lesser evil or simply better, but it's not always easy and I don't blame myself if I can't choose the best options.

For example, I would like to be a vegetarian but at the moment I feel it's too hard for me because I just like meat too much and it's just a lot simpler to get all the required proteins that way. So then I try to choose meat that is produced more ethically.

I never have really understood the sympathy behind doing adult movies because you are desperate for money. Don't get me wrong, thats a horrible situation to be in but it's no different to people who need to take a second job to keep their family or the people who work in fast food beccause they are desperate etc. I'm not trying to discredit those jobs, everyone needs to work but there are also people everywhere who hate their job but need to pay their bills.

In certain coutnries I can see this being exploited but in America for instance there are plenty of jobs for those looking and wiling to do lower end work. Adult movies shouldnt be a go to just because you are desperate

Most people, or at least a lot of people, think there's a pretty big ethical line between selling your own body and selling your skills. It's fine to disagree with that, but it's a valid point of view. I'd also throw a wild guess that selling your own body would be a lot more traumatic for most people than having to do just another normal work even if you hate it.
edit: ah sorry I think I read you a bit wrong there, as if you said it's no different than any other job, but that's not what you were saying

 

[YoYo Switch]

even though i doubt the problem is as widespread as OP is suggesting it is:

this makes hentai a good alternative

no ones hurt cuz its not real. perfect solution

OP, do you like hentai? do you like the lolis?

 

[Subpar Scrub]

The animals live in terrible conditions because people want more meat for less money. I try not to think about it, because you will never defeat the "more for less" mentality that almost every consumer has.

 

[John Dunbar]

i feel guilty and ashamed right after watching porn, if that counts.

 

[Kinokou]

I numb myself to many issues, because if I get too engaged I break down and cry for hours. It is impossible for me to live a happy life if I were to to care about all issues that are connected to a western lifestyle.

However that doesn't mean that I don't care at all, I find workarounds and adapt new habits as I learn about them:

-Avoid products with palm oil
-Buy a menstrual cup
-Reduce meat consumption
-Use only cloth shopping bags
-Stopped using nail polish
-Only buy cloths made of natural fibers
-Start with bar shampoo and soap
-Don't buy new phones, gaming systems or other consumer electronics before they are not supported anymore.
-Don't buy any products with plastic micro beads
-Only buy sports cloths from a chain that is CO2 neutral and has better factory conditions than the competition (I take their word for it)

Doing a leap and starting all these things at the same time would be overwhelming, but by adapting these habits over the last 5 years I am able to avoid breaking down, be a functional human being and hopefully reduce my contribution to the suffering of people, animals and the environment.

And since mentioned in the title, the porn industry and its products have never interested me. And then there are other stuff I don't do at all like smoking or using other kinds of makeup.

Looking at the list I'm actually not happy with it, even if there is two life changing habits for each year it doesn't look like much when written out. Hopefully 2016 will bring something new to the table.

I don't want my future food to be sick. Stop it with the antibiotic hate.
Antibiotic abuse and animal abuse should seriously be investigated, but lobbying and just plain budgeting really makes it an imperfect system.

Could you elaborate on this? I can't manage to understand your stance on antibiotics the way you have phrased it.

 

[The Wall]

To a point, yes. As people learn more, they tend to make changes slowly as they better understand these facts.

I've tried to view porn and it's pretty fucked up where, more often than not, the only type of pornography where the women are not demeaned/abused or their pleasure in the situation is genuine is when it's female only. That, for most pornography, men have to literally be taken out of the picture for a higher chance of the pornography to not be filled with the derogatory stuff that is geared towards the male mind and what "gets them off".

I don't know about other people, but I don't find watching someone's ass be destroyed, being cummed on, or borderline violent treatment to be even the slightest turn on. I think it's demeaning and I think a lot of women who want or say they like that kind of stuff do it to impress men, for attention or because they were abused. I'm sure this isn't always the case, but I think it is more often than some women are willing to admit.

I might be a "freak" in that I can't get off to porn and have almost no interest in it. I don't understand it and borderline hate it because of what it seems to do to people eventually.

I have no disrespect for people who make a living off of it, but don't get it.

I think when it comes to eating meat or having consumer electronics- there is nothing wrong with being aware of their problematic origin and cutting down on these sorts of things, or making ones purchases more meaningful. I don't think you have to have cognitive dissonance to enjoy things in moderation if you make purchasing choices from more ethical sources when you are aware and able to.

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

Could you elaborate on this? I can't manage to understand your stance on antibiotics the way you have phrased it.

Cows, as an example can be sick of bacterial and other infections. Cows should be given the treatment.

Under normal FDA rules, antibiotics are not present in the the consumption of meat. It's a schedule, and the appropriate time is given from antibiotic course to slaughter.

It should be given as needed, and not as a prescriptive risk abatement.

Antibiotic free is just another marketing tool with no regulative weight.