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Does the NFL have a crime problem?

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To some the US's National Football League is synonymous with violence - legitimate violence where men weighing 300lbs (136kg) or more collide like crashing trains. But it's the violence off the field of play that's currently causing concern. Does the NFL have a crime problem?

Last week Aaron Hernandez, 23, one of the NFL's elite players playing for one of the league's elite teams, the New England Patriots, was charged with murder. Further charges may follow as police investigate whether he was involved in an unsolved double homicide, which took place last year. It's not an isolated case. NFL players have been charged with any number of crimes over the years, from rape to dog-fighting. Twenty-nine players have been arrested since February. Another NFL star, Ray Lewis, 38, who won the Super Bowl this year with the Baltimore Ravens was charged with the murder of two men outside a nightclub in Atlanta in 2000. He subsequently negotiated a plea agreement, where the murder charges against him were dismissed in exchange for his testimony against two other men accused of involvement.

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Aaron Hernandez, Ray Lewis and OJ Simpson have all faced murder charges

And six years before that perhaps the biggest murder case of them all, involving former NFL star OJ Simpson. Simpson was found not guilty of killing his ex-wife Nicole Brown and her friend Ronald Goldman in a criminal court but a civil court disagreed and ordered him to pay $33.5m in damages to the victim's families. Simpson is currently serving a 33-year jail sentence in Nevada after he was found guilty of committing armed robbery and kidnapping in 2008. These high profile cases have led fans and the media to ask whether the NFL has a crime problem. But what do the numbers tell us?

Brent Schrotenboer, a sports writer for USA Today, has compiled a list of NFL Arrests Database. It lists 664 arrests from 2000. That sounds like a big number but put in context, Schrotenboer says, it's not. "The NFL arrest rate for active players is around one in 47 but in the general population the arrest rate is actually double that, it's about one in 25. It's a surprise. It seems like you hear about an NFL arrest every week but it turns out they're still better behaved than regular society."

When the general population numbers are broken down even further the NFL players look even more like model citizens. The Bureau of Justice's figures reveal that the arrest rate for men is one in 15.

Active NFL players are aged, in the main, between 21 and 34 and the arrest rate for that demographic is one in 8. The arrest rate for people of Aaron Hernandez's age - he's 23 - is a startling one in 6. It needs to be pointed out that it's not that one in six 23-year-old men in the US get arrested every year. The figures are for arrests, not people. Some people are arrested time and time again - prolific burglars, for example - and this will bump up the arrest figures.

Some NFL players are repeat offenders too. Cincinnati Bengals corner back Adam "Pacman" Jones has been arrested, charged or cited eight times since 2005. But in general terms there are about six times as many arrests among the general population of young American men, as there are among football players.

Even US women are more likely to be arrested than players - albeit by a small margin. Their arrest rate is one in 46. One in 46 was the overall arrest rate in the UK in 2010. The arrest rate for men was one in 27 and for women it was one in 145.

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Ex-Oakland Raiders player Barret Robbins has been convicted of a string of offences since being released in 2004, including attempted murder

It wasn't possible to look at the arrest rate for a particular age group as there wasn't available data. When the NFL players do transgress there is one particular crime they commit regularly - drink driving. In December 2012 Dallas Cowboys player Josh Brent was charged with the intoxication manslaughter of his teammate Jerry Brown. Police estimated that Brent had been travelling at up to 134mph while over the legal limit. In 2009 Cleveland Browns player Donte Stallworth was convicted of intoxication manslaughter after hitting a man with his car in Florida. "But the drink driving arrest rate is about half that of their age bracket in the US general population." So why do negative perceptions surround the NFL?

Many argue that it's because of the high profile of the players and also because the NFL season is comparatively short compared to other US sports (the regular season lasts for only four months) but the demand for news coverage is 24/7 and that inevitably leads to off-season stories, which invariably prove negative. Other critics would argue that the one in 47 figure is still too high because unlike a lot of the general population the players had an education in college, earn very good money and live in safe neighbourhoods.

Back in 2007, controversial radio host Rush Limbaugh likened watching NFL to "a game between [criminal gangs] the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons". He went on to talk about the colour black appearing on the kits: "I know that that has roots supposedly - I've been told it has roots in gang culture." And at the end of 2012, following an NFL player's arrest for intoxication manslaughter and another murder-suicide in quick succession, Jeffrey Chadiha of ESPN said that the onus is on the NFL to act. Although stating that the problems are no different from wider society, he noted: "One tragic death is already too many for the NFL. Two tells us that some players aren't nearly as in control of their actions as they might think. How many drunken driving stories have we heard in this year alone? How many tales of domestic violence get reported every season? An alarming number of NFL players find it necessary to own a gun."

Tom Keane, writing in the Boston Globe, says that the only surprise about the recent arrest of Hernandez is that it doesn't happen more often. "The myth about crime and professional athletes arises because it's easy to find examples. But anecdotes can hide truth, not reveal it. It seems as if NFL players are committing so many crimes because every time they do, they make the news. It's the same kind of thinking that leads people to erroneously believe air travel is more dangerous than automobile. Every time a plane goes down we read about it. Car crashes go largely unreported."

"It's not as simple as some want you to think," says Mike Freeman in CBS Sports, adding that much of it is "complicated guesswork". He writes that "there is no scientific data to show NFL players are more criminally inclined", largely because there is no scientific research into it at all. But he also highlights the problem of comparing NFL players to national statistics. Unlike NFL players, most of the country doesn't have access to top-notch educations, sizeable bank accounts, live in the best areas and are championed in many cases as heroes."

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Ripclawe

Banned
OJ was out of the league for years and Barret Robbins has a mental illness. It doesn't have a crime problem just that it makes news when something happens like Rae Carruth and now Hernandez
 
I like when the nfl tries to point out that their crime rates are normal compared to society, ignoring the league is made up of everyone making minimum 6 figures and in a lot cases, a lot more.
 

Golgi_Apparati

Neo Member
There are criminals and crazies everywhere, just a lot more attention paid to those in the NFL. Also, the size of an NFL roster is much larger than other pro sports, so there are bound to be more bad apples .
 

diehard

Fleer
It doesn't help when guys like Urban Meyer will basically recruit criminals and ignore any off the field issues. Then doesn't really do anything to help them with it in college. I know it's not the NFL, but it has a lot to do with their growing up process and some programs don't do crap to direct the players in a more positive direction.
 

Brinbe

Member
no, it doesn't. Well-below the rate compared to the general population. Fucking ridiculous that people dump on the league like they do.

Hernandez is such a stupidly outrageous outlier.
 

Mesoian

Member
It doesn't help when guys like Urban Meyer will basically recruit criminals and ignore any off the field issues. Then doesn't really do anything to help them with it in college. I know it's not the NFL, but it has a lot to do with their growing up process and some programs don't do crap to direct the players in a more positive direction.

This. There are currently no programs to ensure the safety and wellbeing of rookie NFL players' mental health. So when guys are picked up midway through college or earlier and essentially given more money than they know what to do with, a lot of them make horrible decisions based on things that, quite literally, no longer matter in their new lives based on their upbringing. The Hernadez case to me is particularly perplexing because, from what evidence has been released to the public, there was no reason for him to be engaging with any of those people at all and the murder was an act of "honor" amongst a bunch of hoods.

Most crime that NFL players get picked up for aren't crimes of passion or habit, they're stupid crimes that people of their wealth and social stature have no business being near.
 

Ovid

Member
Ryan Leaf, Rae Carruth, Lawrence Phillips...yeah I think they have a problem.

You hardly ever hear of these type of violent crimes in baseball, basketball or hockey. Why?

Socioeconomic backgrounds? Maybe. But most football and basketball players have the same type of background. Kind of leads me to believe it's the violent nature of the sport.
 

LuchaShaq

Banned
No not at all.

There are 53X32 players just on active rosters in the NFL, that is 1,696 players, not to mention practice squad/inactive/injured/retired players.

If anything I would say acting has more of a crime problem than the NFL
 
A majority of guys in the NFL know how to do one thing, play football. I'd say most never even graduated college. Give a muscle head 7 figures (minimum) & you're way more likely to get into stupid shit. Just sucks the really bad ones make the rest of the league look bad.

Want to know what else is crazy? A friend of mine who played (currently rehabbing to get back in) told me they drug test ONCE for drugs like Marijuanna, Cocaine, etc during OTA's & mini camps. Everything else during the season is strictly for performance enhancing stuff. That's a lot of freedom to get into nasty stuff especially during the off season.
 

pelicansurf

Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
Ryan Leaf, Rae Carruth, Lawrence Phillips...yeah I think they have a problem.

You hardly ever hear of these type of violent crimes in baseball, basketball or hockey. Why?

Socioeconomic backgrounds? Maybe. But most football and basketball players have the same type of background. Kind of leads me to believe it's the violent nature of the sport.

It may be what they referenced in the article as well; too much free time. Basketball players don't have as much time off as NFL players.
 
If you made it into professional sports and do anything remotely illegal you have a serious mental disability.
doesn't matter if you are someone on Tom Brady's level or the lowest guy on a team.
 

akira28

Member
May as well ask if celebrity has a crime problem.

Sports has a domestic violence problem, probably a general marriage problem. but Then again so does a large percentage of the population.
 

Ultratech

Member
If you made it into professional sports and do anything remotely illegal you have a serious mental disability.
doesn't matter if you are someone on Tom Brady's level or the lowest guy on a team.

Not necessarily, but there's plenty of stupid people out there.

Some of it comes from where they grew up and some of it comes from the people who they surround themselves with.

Then quite a bit it comes from the supposed power (a la "I'm a football player making millions. I can get away with anything!"). Some people think they're untouchable.
 

xbhaskarx

Member
Inherently violent sport + large strong athletes + steroids/HGH use + multiple concussions and the resulting brain injuries = ???
 

GRIP

Member
Inherently violent sport + large strong athletes + steroids/HGH use + multiple concussions and the resulting brain injuries = ???

The question marks at the end of your statement are pretty fitting considering I don't know what the hell you're getting at. I guess your insinuating that large dudes who play physical sports, who may or may not have a history of brain trauma and using PHD's make them likely to be criminals? Care to explain how you reached that conclusion?
 

Tabris

Member
No it doesn't. But yeah, the NFL does.

Here is a world map that compares crime rate indexes:

http://www.numbeo.com/crime/gmaps_rankings_country.jsp?title=2013-Q1

United States crime rate is slightly above Russia.

Of course it translates to NFL where you have a lot more players than NBA or MLB on each team. Combine those 2 things (number of players, and living in crime-ridden America), of course you'll have a chance to have players with a criminal background or tendency.
 
It's a sport that encourages it's players to be violent, give themselves brain damage and take potentially mental/mood altering performance enhancing drugs. It's a shock there haven't been more Aaron Hernandez's to be honest.
 

Tabris

Member
It's a sport that encourages it's players to be violent, give themselves brain damage and take potentially mental/mood altering performance enhancing drugs. It's a shock there haven't been more Aaron Hernandez's to be honest.

Just to play devil advocate here, Hockey has the same thing.

This is just a numbers game. America's crime rate percentages against a larger roster than other sports = more crime.
 

Link

The Autumn Wind
It doesn't help when guys like Urban Meyer will basically recruit criminals and ignore any off the field issues. Then doesn't really do anything to help them with it in college. I know it's not the NFL, but it has a lot to do with their growing up process and some programs don't do crap to direct the players in a more positive direction.
And not only this, but they are allowed to coast through classes not only in college, but even in high school. A lot of these guys have been handed everything since they were young teenagers, and that includes people who should be looking out for them, like parents and teachers, looking the other way when they screw up so it doesn't hurt their eligibility.
 

GRIP

Member
It's a sport that encourages it's players to be violent, give themselves brain damage and take potentially mental/mood altering performance enhancing drugs. It's a shock there haven't been more Aaron Hernandez's to be honest.

So blame the sport for the criminal behavior of it's athletes?
 

javadots

Banned
They have a crime problem because you can't take the 'hood' out of the player apparently. Most NFL players come from poverty, and they are the ones that make it out because they are the most ambitious. Ambition that comes from not wanting to partake in anymore crime with which they might have been part of as a means to make it by. Then along comes the big green and they adopt a taste of the criminal world into their lives. A criminal world that is the only compatibility that money offers, a world where fun lies outside of the bounds of the law because it is the only world that their eager young minds were exposed to and thus cherish.
 

Ovid

Member
I'm very interested in this topic.

Someone needs to do a peer-reviewed study on athletes in professional sports and violent crimes.

It could be a media thing, but, why does it seem that professional football players commit more violent acts?

They have a crime problem because you can't take the 'hood' out of the player apparently. Most NFL players come from poverty, and they are the ones that make it out because they are the most ambitious. Ambition that comes from not wanting to partake in anymore crime with which they might have been part of as a means to make it by. Then along comes the big green and they adopt a taste of the criminal world into their lives. A criminal world that is the only compatibility that money offers, a world where fun lies outside of the bounds of the law because it is the only world that their eager young minds were exposed to and thus cherish.

Still doesn't answer why NBA players aren't involved in these types of crimes.
 

Gallbaro

Banned
People who are generally idiots to begin with, placed in a position of high earnings for physical aggression and often permanent bodily harm?
 

richiek

steals Justin Bieber DVDs
They have a crime problem because you can't take the 'hood' out of the player apparently. Most NFL players come from poverty, and they are the ones that make it out because they are the most ambitious. Ambition that comes from not wanting to partake in anymore crime with which they might have been part of as a means to make it by. Then along comes the big green and they adopt a taste of the criminal world into their lives. A criminal world that is the only compatibility that money offers, a world where fun lies outside of the bounds of the law because it is the only world that their eager young minds were exposed to and thus cherish.

How do you explain the lack of crime coming from NBA players, considering that the majority also come from poverty?

EDIT, beaten
 

javadots

Banned
How do you explain the lack of crime coming from NBA players, considering that the majority also come from poverty?

EDIT, beaten

Easy, they weren't caught. "Beaten!"
I could argue that seeing how football is a contact sport, you have consistent trash talking and as a result, you are required to tackle the player and in turn deal with the trash talking via what is undoubtedly "physical assault."
In basketball, physical contact gets you fouled or ultimately thrown out of the game by the rest of the people you are playing with in order to resolve a potential fight breaking out.
You apply this consequential behavior required for the game of basketball into your everyday life, consequential in that you will be punished if you physically harm someone, and as a result less crime is commited by NBA players.
 

pgtl_10

Member
Here in Houston one announcer on yahoo sports radio 1560 am is going to have a fooball crime fantasy league next year. His scoring system is pretty cool and he has 4 radio announcers joining so far.
 
Here is a world map that compares crime rate indexes:

http://www.numbeo.com/crime/gmaps_rankings_country.jsp?title=2013-Q1

United States crime rate is slightly above Russia.

Of course it translates to NFL where you have a lot more players than NBA or MLB on each team. Combine those 2 things (number of players, and living in crime-ridden America), of course you'll have a chance to have players with a criminal background or tendency.

So you admit you didn't read the OP? This thread has already turned to crap because no one read the article. The article isn't saying that they have a crime problem if you actually read it.
 
Still doesn't answer why NBA players aren't involved in these types of crimes.

Gilbert Arenas brought multiple guns INSIDE the teams clubhouse, then confronted a teammate. Ron Artest rushed into a crowd to beat the shit out of a fan & is still the dirtiest player in the league, while many others have weapon chargers, even murder (Delonte West, Iverson, JR Smith)

NFL still has them easily but the NBA has plenty of stupid players too...They also have a longer season which probably helps a little
 
I don't think there is any research data to say "yes" or "no" with either.

But when players do get in trouble from any relevant sport, it's all over the international news. Kinda amplifies the situation.
 
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