Thanks guess I'm good
I heard some games are quite taxing like the Mario galaxy games so I wanted to be sure
Dolphin - Emulating Wii and Gamecube Games
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I heard some games are quite taxing like the Mario galaxy games so I wanted to be sure
CrunchyFrog
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I have a hard time telling if these kinds of posts are serious. You have literally both the top of the line consumer CPU and top of the line GPU currently on the market, of course you are going to emulate well enough.
Also holy shit those DX12 performance gains are massive. Do we think this will have any effect on the shader generation stutter?
Judging from the thread for the DX12 backend it's unlikely to be merged any time soon. Neobrain wants them to pull most everything the backends currently do into video common. Adding a 3rd backend makes no sense right now if this is the goal. After everything is pulled into video common adding a new backend should be far simpler. Also fixing a problem won't require porting the solution to 2 other backends. Right now someone fixes a problem in either DX11 or OpenGL and then at some point someone else gets around to correcting the same problem in the other backend. If they go through with moving everything to video common, they could deprecate DX11 and OpenGL and only have to maintain Vulkan. Assuming Vulkan lives up to the hype, a DX12 version would be completely redundant and thus unnecessary.
Where you might see this merged soon is in the unofficial Ishiiruka version of dolphin.
No, it uses the same shader generation code. Phire's "ubershaders" are the potential solution to that stutter:
https://github.com/dolphin-emu/dolphin/pull/3163
There's apparently a feature freeze taking place on Jan 7th to get a stable 5.0 completed. It's very unlikely either ubershaders or DX12 will be merged before that time even if either of them were ready by then. They are not going to want to introduce major experimental features for a new stable version.
Where you might see this merged soon is in the unofficial Ishiiruka version of dolphin.
No, it uses the same shader generation code. Phire's "ubershaders" are the potential solution to that stutter:
https://github.com/dolphin-emu/dolphin/pull/3163
There's apparently a feature freeze taking place on Jan 7th to get a stable 5.0 completed. It's very unlikely either ubershaders or DX12 will be merged before that time even if either of them were ready by then. They are not going to want to introduce major experimental features for a new stable version.
The Red Wizard
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Would someone mind testing the Hoth level in Rogue Leader on the DX12 build? I tried it this week and the frame rate dropped to 30FPS so I couldn't play it 
But does it provide performance gains compared to both DX11 and the latest OpenGL or DX11 only? Because OpenGL is still king when using a recent Nvidia GPU.
nkarafo
Member
I agree. I even find it a bit annoying. I mean, what if "it's not enough"? Is he going to travel in the future to get even more powerful stuff?
There are a few new hardware features exposed in DirectX12, and some marketing departments try to make those sound more important than they are so that's probably where the confusion comes from.
The primary benefits of DX12 that people usually talk about (and which also manifest here) are about software/CPU efficiency. These you can benefit from with every GPU for which a DX12 driver exists. (Which are most GPUs anyone would game on these days)
If someone implements a Vulkan backend, most likely.
Look in the thread. There are some gains, but less extreme. Obviously the largest benefit is for AMD users with their poor OpenGL performance.
What's the best version/configuration for running Rebel Strike and Rogue Leader?
No matter what I do, the FPS just constantly dips down into the 30-40's whenever pretty much anything is going on on-screen.
CPU - i5-4690 @ stock
GPU - GTX 970 @ 1510/3760
I'm currently running one of the latest dev versions of Dolphin (downloaded yesterday), since the last Stable version was over 2 years old.
No matter what I do, the FPS just constantly dips down into the 30-40's whenever pretty much anything is going on on-screen.
CPU - i5-4690 @ stock
GPU - GTX 970 @ 1510/3760
I'm currently running one of the latest dev versions of Dolphin (downloaded yesterday), since the last Stable version was over 2 years old.
Hesemonni
Banned
To get some idea on the possible performance gains. Varies on game to game basis and of course it's probably still early. But promising nonetheless.
It was incredible they we're able to get it to 60 fps considering the amount of detail they packed in. It was buttery smooth.
-shadow-
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All three games honestly. It's really incredible!
Thanks, I glanced over the thread link. And yes, it was expected that this change would benefit AMD users the most. But for now I'll stick to using OpenGL, I don't know if the DX12 is as accurate as OpenGL and it seems that it's going to take some time to iron out the kinks. But the development of Dolphin looks promising with this.
KojiKnight
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Those are some nice looking numbers, going to have to try it at some point, though the kids currently have my TV/PC playing splatoon.
Vulkan and DX12 are going to be quite exciting going forward for emulators, especially if they can manage to get it working in PCSX2 since a huge bit of overhead is due to DX and OpenGL.
Vulkan and DX12 are going to be quite exciting going forward for emulators, especially if they can manage to get it working in PCSX2 since a huge bit of overhead is due to DX and OpenGL.
New article: Hey, Listen! Your Wiimote Can Speak Now!
Jessie.Bristol
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Can't get DX12 settings to save in Dolphin. They reset every time I close the settings window.
Edit: Fixed it, had to run Dolphin as Administrator.
Also found out that it cannot run Wind Waker in DX12, gets past the Nintendo and Dolby logos and then crashes.
Edit: Fixed it, had to run Dolphin as Administrator.
Also found out that it cannot run Wind Waker in DX12, gets past the Nintendo and Dolby logos and then crashes.
Report it.
New article: Dolphin Progress Report: December 2015
MasterHoodie
Member
Really kind of wish I wouldn't have skimped on Bluetooth in my PC. Kind of want to play these Wii games with an actual remote, instead of having to dust off my softmodded wii in order to do so.
megarockexe
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DolphinBar is the way to go anyways.
This maybe a silly question but is it normal for Dolphin to give me a windows smartscreen warning?
http://i.imgur.com/64G1IJl.png
http://i.imgur.com/64G1IJl.png
Cave Johnson
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one question does steam controller's gyro work here?
mntorankusu
Member
Depends on what you want to do with it.
You should be able to run it, although your CPU is on the weak side. The FX 8120 uses 8 weak cores, while Dolphin can only run three cores simultaneously, essentially halving your total cpu power. But since there have been many performance improvements, the emulator normally runs on weak cpus, although Xenoblade is one of the heavier games.
What are your settings? Are you using OpenGL? What's your rendering resolution and AA setting?
Also keep in mind that there is the shader cache issue, where for every new move you do in Xenoblade, the emulator will hang a second. You'll notice it the first few battles, but after that it should go a lot smoother.
I tried running it in Direct3D11, Direct3D9 and OpenGL, with AA on none and everything else on default, I did try to play at 3x resolution but figured that might be it so left it at 1x but that still didn't help.
roadrunn3r
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I tried running it in Direct3D11, Direct3D9 and OpenGL, with AA on none and everything else on default, I did try to play at 3x resolution but figured that might be it so left it at 1x but that still didn't help.
That seems strange, it used to run full speed most of the time on my old Q6600 @3.0Ghz which by now is really.... old. I have no experience with an AMD FX 8120 but it can't be that bad. Maybe try on an older dolphin build or even Ishiiruka.
KojiKnight
Member
Runs fine on my 6300, but my cores are clocked at 4ghz, so that might be the difference.
I made a short video clip of how it runs for me, having a hard time getting it to run any better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6DBfPiA5ls
edit: also I'm running "Stable" 4.0.2
roadrunn3r
Member
Hmm that seems like LLE recompiler, try switching to HLE and see if it's better. (menu Audio) HLE is a lot better recently and quite preferable in terms of performance.
Check the latest builds also, the stable version is very old with a lot of improvements missing.
lightchris
Member
..and this might be the problem, that build is over 2 years old. Just grab the latest version from here: https://dolphin-emu.org/download/
Novum_Veritas
Member
You should try the newest dev build, the 4.0.2 is outdated and there were a lot of fixes released, maybe that would fix your issue.
That performance is worse than my old fx 6300 + 7870 ghz when I played a year ago. Use a newer build. There probably were some specific improvements made for Xenoblade to run better since that last stable build.
I remember having to also change the audio recompiler setting to fix the audio coppyness.
I remember having to also change the audio recompiler setting to fix the audio coppyness.
sixteen-bit
Member
edit: never mind I figured it out
I recently made a rig very similar to yours: same CPU (6700k), reused my GPU from my prior rig (Geforce 770). I did a slight overclock of the CPU to 4.5 GhZ which is very easy, but not necessary. I have been able to enjoy all those games at perfect framerates with the right settings. For example, in Xenoblade Wii I get an uncapped framerate of around 140 FPS but it needs only 30 FPS.
I have found that settings need to be tweaked a little bit on a game-by-game basis. A good resource is the Dolphin wiki here which gives any outstanding issues for particular games:
https://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index.php?title=The_Legend_of_Zelda:_The_Wind_Waker
The only major issue I have is the problem of shader compilation stuttering in a few games, where the GPU has to compile shaders on the fly keeping the CPU momentarily waiting which manifests itself as microsecond freezes. EDIT: See tuxfool's better explanation a couple of posts down. /EDIT
More info on that here:
https://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index.php?title=Metroid_Prime_(GC)
I am guessing this may be less pronounced for you due to the better GPU. Aside from that, a GPU is less important in Dolphin.
Note that with Dolphin you have two options. The first option is running the standard Dolphin, the latest versions of which are found here:
https://dolphin-emu.org/download/
This is the only one that is supported officially.
An unsupported version is called Ishiiruka. This is not officially supported, but has some features (including a DirectX 12 backend) that result in better performance in many instances and, thus, may be worth trying for certain games.
https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-unofficial-ishiiruka-dolphin-custom-version
Zelda Wind Waker: Nothing too demanding. This had signficant sound problems and some visual issues for years, but this has all been fixed in the last year. OpenGl has always performed a little better in this game than Direct3D for me, with much less or no shader stuttering.
Zelda Twillight Princess: I had to enable the Hyrule Speed Hack in the Patches tab of the game to fix visual corruption on the mini map. Other than that it runs without any major problems.
Both Wind Waker and Twilight Princess have wide screen hacks you can implement if you wish (gamecube versions).
Zelda Skyward Sword: This game can only be played with a real WiiMote with Motion Plus connected to PC (unless you jump through many many hoops). Otherwise no issues.
Xenoblade: No issues. Currently using the excellent high resolution texture pack here:
https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-xenoblade-chronicles-hd-texture-pack-v7-2c-december-22-2015
Super Mario Galaxy: No issues. May crash in certain instances if cheats are enabled.
Good luck!
Maybe I'm being pedantic, but I'll just throw out this correction. The GPU doesn't actually do any shader compilation. All that is done on the CPU so that the GPU can run it. This explains the stuttering because the CPU is busy compiling shaders instead of running the game.
The GPU thread mentioned in the wiki is just a thread running on the CPU. It handles communication with the GPU. Conversely the CPU thread mentioned is a thread running on the host CPU that is emulating the GC CPU.
I have not had any issues with sound in Xenoblade using recent builds. It has been flawless.
Thanks for the clarification!
I'm looking to play Melee on my PC with a widescreen hack using Gamecube controllers and my existing PAL game save. Is this possible?
I've got a Wii with the Homebrew channel installed, the Wii U Gamecube USB adapter, and my Melee file on a Gamecube memory card. I also have a copy of Melee if I need to rip my own game.
Can anyone tell me how to achieve this, or provide links that can show me?
I've got a Wii with the Homebrew channel installed, the Wii U Gamecube USB adapter, and my Melee file on a Gamecube memory card. I also have a copy of Melee if I need to rip my own game.
Can anyone tell me how to achieve this, or provide links that can show me?
-shadow-
Member
Dolphin supports the WiiU GameCube controller adaptor natively I believe so that's no problem. A ROM will work if you've downloaded it, that shouldn't be a problem as long as it's PAL. Though I recommend ripping your own disc just to be safe (for multiple reasons).
I know you can place a GC savefile onto a SD card with homebrew, but I'm not sure how on that one however. Someone else will probably know how that's done
I know you can place a GC savefile onto a SD card with homebrew, but I'm not sure how on that one however. Someone else will probably know how that's done
Dolphin supports the WiiU GameCube controller adaptor natively I believe so that's no problem. A ROM will work if you've downloaded it, that shouldn't be a problem as long as it's PAL. Though I recommend ripping your own disc just to be safe (for multiple reasons).
I know you can place a GC savefile onto a SD card with homebrew, but I'm not sure how on that one however. Someone else will probably know how that's done
Thanks for the advice. I've managed to get it up an running.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
What are the benefits of dx12 dolphin?
I never upgraded to win 10
I never upgraded to win 10
KojiKnight
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Currently? Just that it's faster... but it's also still fairly early and is a private branch. A few games are showing regressions (not working, or even being a bit slower), but down the line it'll almost certainly be faster as it's off loading a lot of CPU work, and dolphin is usually CPU locked, not GPU locked.
Found some AR codes, been looking for Rogue Squadron Widescreen codes
https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-gc-ar-codes-for-16-9-21-9-aspect-ratios
https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-gc-ar-codes-for-16-9-21-9-aspect-ratios
Does anyone here have an experience of using Dolpin on a Mac and getting custom textures working? I've been unable to use custom textures in both Paper Mario and Wind Waker (though Wind Waker barely works on my machine regardless). Paper Mario it acts like it wants to load, especially on start up because the screen will flash what appears to be the new textures, and then it shows the original textures. Folder is named correctly and in the right place, and the option is selected in the menu. Unsure really what else to do.
Barrow Roll
Member
Damn, no Twin Snakes code. I have no idea what to do with the code on the Dolphin Wiki page:
https://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index.php?title=Metal_Gear_Solid:_The_Twin_Snakes#NTSC-U