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Dont Let These Myths Scare You Away From a Flu Shot
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'vaccines cause autism' and 'vaccines are useless' are in the same boat
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Mammoth Jones
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This is dumb logic to me. It's like saying "There's no guarantee wearing a seatbelt will save my life!"
But it can. And the detriment to wearing one is nearly null. So why wouldn't you want an extra layer of protection just incase?
OK that's a pretty good burn, lol
echoshifting
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The "it's just a coin flip" argument is poorly thought out. Let's say efficacy is 30%. That means 30 out of 100 people who would have otherwise gotten the flu don't get it. Whereas 100 out of 100 people who didn't get the shot and are infected will get sick.
To put it in gamer terms: let's say you're playing a video game and all you have is one-handed weapons. Your choices are to wear a shield that deflects 30% of incoming hits, or to wear nothing at all and do nothing with that hand. Do you wear the shield or not?
To put it in gamer terms: let's say you're playing a video game and all you have is one-handed weapons. Your choices are to wear a shield that deflects 30% of incoming hits, or to wear nothing at all and do nothing with that hand. Do you wear the shield or not?
I've been working out regularly for some time and I notice I've been getting sick less throughout the year. Not sure if they're correlated but I skipped out on a shot last year and didn't get the flu, especially with living and commuting in NYC.
Except if you're a certain tactic turn-based shooter with that as your accuracy and your next 3 shots still miss but I digress...
Except if you're a certain tactic turn-based shooter with that as your accuracy and your next 3 shots still miss but I digress...
Mammoth Jones
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Exactly.
Brianimaniac
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I got them when I was helping take care of my grandparents, because I didn't want to get the flu and give it to one of them, but now that I live alone, I'm not worried about it. It would suck getting the flu, but im not concerned about dying as a 34-year old man.
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Get one every year. My insurance covers it fully, I'd be a fool not to.
If you won't get it for yourself, get it for others in risk groups that might come to harm because of your lazy ass.
On mobile and so on...
What do you mean, could you please elaborate without a video?
Edit: Since this thread took a weird turn, I am 100% pro vaccine, I'm just not getting flu shots every year because the hassle of doing this is not worth it to me as I never was affectec much by the flu (as I said, once in 30 years). It's not about the shot not beeing 100%, it's about not getting the flu without shot anyways.
working with Influenza A requires biosafety level 3 because of aerosol transmission
washing your hands alone will not prevent you from getting it.
Messofanego
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Got dang.
DJ_Lae
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I don't have the exact stats offhand but there's a lot of planning that goes into the rollout of a flu vaccine, even outside of picking the strains.
I believe Alberta spent $4 million in the past year buying vaccines, and I think immunization rates were up - over a thousand people ended up in hospital from the flu. 50 people died from it (only a couple of those had been immunized). It's been higher in previous years, so I'd say that's $4m well spent.
The part that baffles me the most is that the immunization target in healthcare is only 80%. Granted, there are some who do not deal directly with patients but I know there are still doctors and nurses and other front care staff who are not getting the flu vaccine and even if they don't think it will help themselves, they're potentially harming their patients.
I believe Alberta spent $4 million in the past year buying vaccines, and I think immunization rates were up - over a thousand people ended up in hospital from the flu. 50 people died from it (only a couple of those had been immunized). It's been higher in previous years, so I'd say that's $4m well spent.
The part that baffles me the most is that the immunization target in healthcare is only 80%. Granted, there are some who do not deal directly with patients but I know there are still doctors and nurses and other front care staff who are not getting the flu vaccine and even if they don't think it will help themselves, they're potentially harming their patients.
Yeah I'll get it for the fourth time. After having to go to the ER three years in a row at new years because I couldn't breathe I decided enough was enough and I rather live 
I still get the flu pretty much every year but I've never been nearly as sick as I was before I started getting the vaccination.
My SO gets it to keep me safer too. Probably gonna ask my brother to get it too if he's gonna visit during the flu season this year. He usually gets it when travelling here and I seem get it from him.
It's cheap as heck here in Sweden and a simple way to keep a bunch of people from dying.
I still get the flu pretty much every year but I've never been nearly as sick as I was before I started getting the vaccination.
My SO gets it to keep me safer too. Probably gonna ask my brother to get it too if he's gonna visit during the flu season this year. He usually gets it when travelling here and I seem get it from him.
It's cheap as heck here in Sweden and a simple way to keep a bunch of people from dying.
Anti-vaxxers make me sick... Literally. They make everyone more sick.
Vaccines should not be optional unless you are immunocompromised.
Absolutely disgusting behavior. Working healthcare in a wealthy area and having kids come in for diseases that should have been eradicated decades ago is infuriating, to say the least.
Get your fucking flu shot. You are risking the lives of others by abstaining.
Vaccines should not be optional unless you are immunocompromised.
Absolutely disgusting behavior. Working healthcare in a wealthy area and having kids come in for diseases that should have been eradicated decades ago is infuriating, to say the least.
Get your fucking flu shot. You are risking the lives of others by abstaining.
Trojita
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I normally want to get one, but forget, or when i don't forget I don't have time to go. It's been few years since I got one.
So I usually end up not breathing around people that cough - that doesn't work so bad for me actually.
So I usually end up not breathing around people that cough - that doesn't work so bad for me actually.
I think it's rather the opposite I'm not against vaccination but flu shots? Yeah, no.
I mean it's the fucking flu, you stay in bed for a few days and that's it. It's not like it's some deadly disease or anything.
Messofanego
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Y'all people still believe in dem myths, huh? I do like the disclaimer of you not being anti-vaxxer but when it comes to the flu shot, "I'll take my chances".
Maybe time to read the article?
[KoRp]Jazzman;218407190 said:
Maybe time to read the article?
Trojita
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Bro........
John Kowalski
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If life is anything like XCOM, yes. It is.
Tal Shiar Agent
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I got my first flu shot since I was a child this year since my wife and I are expecting twins in late December/early January. Normally I wouldn't, as the only time I had the flu was in 2009 when I got the swine flu, which left me with an improved immunity. I've also got a genetic boost, neither my father or grandfather have ever had the flu and have never been vaccinated and my great grandfather for the Spanish Flu in 1918 as a young child but recovered rapidly.
i dont know why they'd post that. let their doctors tell them when to get it. another excuse to put it off.
Apple Turnover
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What people often call "the flu" is usually just a harsher than usual cold. Actual flu can be fatal.
CharminUltra
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This wouldn't be a concern if you were using the Master Quartz!
Yeah no one can really determine the difference in a cold or respiratory virus and flu, it's always silly to hear someone use that line.
DaMasta113
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Guys, don't let anyone in this thread try to bully you into taking the shot. I work in a very busy emergency room. I don't get the flu shot and I haven't gotten the flu since 2009 when I was forced to take the flu shot. It's personal preference.
People are telling you the point. It's to protect others who are at risk, like seniors and infants. You can carry it, pass it along without ever getting sick.
There is so much wrong with this I'm not sure where to begin.
I work in credentialing for healthcare professionals. The number that give us pushback and don't want to get the flu vaccine yearly is shocking. These are fucking nurses working in big hospital all over the country that don't want to get one (we make them anyway as part of our corporate policy). It really blows my mind ever year.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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I got mine a few days ago.
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Violence Jack
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Y'all people still believe in dem myths, huh? I do like the disclaimer of you not being anti-vaxxer but when it comes to the flu shot, "I'll take my chances".
Maybe time to read the article?
None of those myths have anything to do with my situation, so not sure why you felt the need to include me in that.
CreepingFear
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I am 100 percent in favor of vaccines. For whatever reason, at 34, I've never had a flu shot. I got my first one this year. I think I heard the myth of the shot itself getting you sick, so maybe that scared me. I finally got the shot a few weeks ago. Took it like a champ. Will get them from now on.
styl3s
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Except for the fact people die, someone i know died and i almost died last year. Yes, it's not a fucking pandemic but to write off the flu as a simple cold is absolutely uninformed garbage.
For the longest time i would never get a flu shot because i was one of the assholes who always said "BUT I NEVER GET THE FLU" even said it on GAF until it almost literally fucking killed me last year i ended up in the hospital for almost 2 weeks and that was after about 5 grueling days at home.
entremet
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From the article:
Theres another important reason to get a flu shot, even if youre healthy. Every person who is susceptible to the flu is a stepping stone the virus can use to reach the elderly and sick. Those people are the most vulnerable to flu complications like pneumoniaand the most likely to die from flu.
Do you live on a solitary island lol.
Brianimaniac
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Yes, it is a serious thing that can be fatal. But it's mainly very young children, the elderly, and people with other health issues that are at risk of dying from the flu. This CDC page on the flu is in the article OP posted:
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/high_risk.htm
"Most people who get the flu will have mild illness, will not need medical care or antiviral drugs, and will recover in less than two weeks."
Some people need to read the article or learn a bit more about the vaccine and how it works.
First, I think we need to start off by acknowledging that efficacy of the vaccine doesn't mean the same thing as the effectiveness of the vaccine. Efficacy is a measure of how well the vaccine protects a population from disease when they are exposed to a pathogen. On an individual level, efficacy varies from person to person depending on their health and other factors. Measuring this with the flu is a little more complicated due to the way the flu vaccine is formulated.
The WHO has a surveillance program that identifies the most common virus strains that are circulating. They select two Influenza A and one Influenza B strain to vaccinate against. Sometimes the surveillance program misses the mark. In other words, there are strains of the influenza virus that the vaccine does not target, therefore the vaccine does not and cannot impart immunity against those strains. This is the reason we see effectiveness sometimes drop into the 20-30% range. Generally effectiveness is in the 50-70% range. This varies (often increased compared to the general population) when looking at certain demographics; elderly, young, HIV+ and other chronic diseases, etc.
As for getting the flu after getting vaccinated... you can but you probably won't. Symptoms of the flu are very general and common in other diseases. Many symptoms of disease are actually mechanisms that our body uses to help fight an infection: increased temperature in an attempt to make a hostile environment for the pathogen, congestion to help expel pathogens from our respiratory pathways, fatigue and soreness are usually symptoms of the immune system at work. You probably were "sick" as your immune system recognized the vaccine antigens and got to work to create antibodies and the cells required for immunological memory.
If you really did get the flu after the shot, you were infected before you got the shot and were going to get sick anyway or you were infected with a strain that the vaccine did not protect against.
And this so much. There are people that can't get vaccinated for a variety of health reasons. My cousin had leukemia and has to get IgG injections every month because he essentially has no immune system left. He can't get vaccinated.
First, I think we need to start off by acknowledging that efficacy of the vaccine doesn't mean the same thing as the effectiveness of the vaccine. Efficacy is a measure of how well the vaccine protects a population from disease when they are exposed to a pathogen. On an individual level, efficacy varies from person to person depending on their health and other factors. Measuring this with the flu is a little more complicated due to the way the flu vaccine is formulated.
The WHO has a surveillance program that identifies the most common virus strains that are circulating. They select two Influenza A and one Influenza B strain to vaccinate against. Sometimes the surveillance program misses the mark. In other words, there are strains of the influenza virus that the vaccine does not target, therefore the vaccine does not and cannot impart immunity against those strains. This is the reason we see effectiveness sometimes drop into the 20-30% range. Generally effectiveness is in the 50-70% range. This varies (often increased compared to the general population) when looking at certain demographics; elderly, young, HIV+ and other chronic diseases, etc.
As for getting the flu after getting vaccinated... you can but you probably won't. Symptoms of the flu are very general and common in other diseases. Many symptoms of disease are actually mechanisms that our body uses to help fight an infection: increased temperature in an attempt to make a hostile environment for the pathogen, congestion to help expel pathogens from our respiratory pathways, fatigue and soreness are usually symptoms of the immune system at work. You probably were "sick" as your immune system recognized the vaccine antigens and got to work to create antibodies and the cells required for immunological memory.
If you really did get the flu after the shot, you were infected before you got the shot and were going to get sick anyway or you were infected with a strain that the vaccine did not protect against.
And this so much. There are people that can't get vaccinated for a variety of health reasons. My cousin had leukemia and has to get IgG injections every month because he essentially has no immune system left. He can't get vaccinated.
Alright, Influenza Masta.
Violence Jack
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I'm allergic to the shot, so I can't get it. Not one, but two doctors have confirmed this with me. Otherwise, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Iorv3th
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Y'all people still believe in dem myths, huh? I do like the disclaimer of you not being anti-vaxxer but when it comes to the flu shot, "I'll take my chances".
Maybe time to read the article?
I am not anti vaccine but don't get the flu shot because I had previously had an allergic reaction to them when I was younger.
However I have never gotten the flu. I don't think i'm at a high risk of getting it as I live in a more rural area and don't really have a dense population of people around me or close to me during the day.
There was an outbreak of some antibiotic resistant bacteria in a hospital a few years ago where basically healthcare professionals help to facilitate the spread. All but one person (nurses and doctors) in the unit refused to get tested for this specific bacteria so they could get treatment in case they were infected. It blew my fucking mind. How can you be a healthcare professional and refuse to take action against something you are potentially doing to spread disease among your patients?
Even just thinking about this again I'm getting worked up.
entremet
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Cool. I missed your context.
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