Donald Trump says UK 'doing great' after Brexit vote

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CyclopsRock said:
This is a bit of a mischaracterisation of what he was saying, though. His point wasn't "let's stop listening to doctors and scientists", it was that all those 3-letter economic institutions kept getting their predictions wrong and people were sick of being told what's good for them by these people that kept fucking up. Arguably still not wise, but that sentiment has now been charactitured into "hur dur we don't need clever people".
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All those economic institutions who said austerity was a terrible idea and that so was Brexit, and that the fiigures the Leave campaign was bandying about were total lies? Those 3-letter economic institutions?

Original story from that bastion of lefty liberals, the Financial Times:

https://www.ft.com/content/3be49734-29cb-11e6-83e4-abc22d5d108c

Michael Gove has refused to name any economists who back Britain’s exit from the European Union, saying that “people in this country have had enough of experts”.
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Like Mr Cameron, Mr Gove faced intense scrutiny of his campaign tactics, in particular the claim that the UK sends £350m to the EU every week. 

Sky’s political editor Faisal Islam said Mr Gove knew that figure was wrong, and accused him of importing the “post-truth” politics of Donald Trump to the UK. The UK Statistics Authority has said the figure “is misleading and undermines trust in official statistics”, because it is a gross sum and does not account for Britain’s rebate and funding received from the EU. In response to Mr Islam, Mr Gove agreed to have the figure independently audited. 
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Mr Gove opted not to name them, however, preferring to focus on how economists and economic organisations had failed to predict the financial crisis. “I’m not asking the public to trust me. I’m asking them to trust themselves,” he said. When it was pointed out that he had called the Iraq war "a proper British foreign policy success" as late as 2008, he argued he was willing to admit his mistakes. 
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and direct quotes from Rupert Murdoch's EU-loving Sky News:

FAISAL ISLAM: Mr Gove, you’re a man with a dream, exactly how many independent economic authorities share your dream of Britain outside the EU, can you name a single one?

MICHAEL GOVE: Well if you are talking about some of the independent economic authorities who have already weighed into the debate, they are people who have been wrong in the past. They are organisations I’m afraid who didn’t predict the global crash in 2008 and they are the same organisations in many cases that also said we should be inside the single currency.

FI: That was some time ago, can you name a single one?

MICHAEL GOVE: Well my point is that I’m glad that all these organisations are not on my side, I’m glad …

FI: You’re glad that economic experts aren’t on your side?
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MICHAEL GOVE: Well Margaret Thatcher said of economists, the great thing is economists are fine but you mustn’t inhale. The truth is that I prefer, I prefer to take the view of business people who are actually generating jobs and creating wealth. The organisations that many people are citing in this debate are organisations that have been wrong in the past and I think that they are wrong now. In any case …

FI: But not a single independent economic authority, not a single one, you must have one.

MICHAEL GOVE: There are economists and there are business people who do back us, there are 300 business people who put their names to a letter in the Daily Telegraph.
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MICHAEL GOVE: Well putting aside Douglas Carswell’s book, which I’m sure is very good, the key thing is that of those 300 business people you had some real business leaders who have been making a huge difference …

FI: A minority you would admit.

MICHAEL GOVE: No …

FI: You don’t admit a minority?
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FI: Okay, so you can’t name an economic authority, you are struggling to name more than a handful of economists, can you name a single one of our international allies, the countries we’ve gone into battle with, who support you?

MICHAEL GOVE: Well one of the things about some of the leaders of foreign countries is that they would never accept …

FI: Can you name a single one?
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FI: But let’s just look at this now, the leaders of the US, India, China, Australia, every single one of our allies, the Bank of England, the IFS, the IMF, the CBI, five former NATO Secretary-Generals, the Chief Exec of the NHS and most of the leaders of the trade unions in Britain all say that you, Boris and Nigel are wrong. Why should the public trust you over them?

MICHAEL GOVE: I’m not asking the public to trust me, I’m asking the public to trust themselves. I’m asking the British public to take back control of our destiny from those organisations which are distant, unaccountable, elitists and don’t have their own interests at heart.

FI: Elitist? Elitist? The Lord High Chancellor, a conspiracy of elites? It sounds like Wolf Hall.

MICHAEL GOVE: Well I haven’t seen Wolf Hall but the one thing that I would say is that the people who are backing the Remain campaign are people who have done very well thank you out of the European Union and the people increasingly … [Applause] … absolutely. The people who are arguing that we should get out are concerned to ensure that the working people of this country at last get a fair deal. I think the people of this country have had enough of experts with organisations from acronyms saying that …

FI: The people of this country have had enough of experts, what do you mean by that?

MICHAEL GOVE: … from organisations with acronyms saying that they know what is best and getting it consistently wrong because these people …

FI: The people of this country have had enough of experts?

MICHAEL GOVE: Because these people are the same ones who have got consistently wrong …

FI: This is [inaudible] politics this isn’t it? This is Oxbridge Trump.

MICHAEL GOVE: No, it’s a faith, Faisal, in the British people to make the right decision.

FI: Blind faith.

MICHAEL GOVE: I don’t think it is because one of the striking things about this debate is that those who are arguing that we should remain have a vested financial interest in …

FI: Ah right, so are they stupid or is there a conspiracy? There’s a conspiracy.

MICHAEL GOVE: No, I’m pointing out that the majority of people in this country are suffering as a result of our membership of the European Union, their wages are lower, access to public services is restricted …

FI: The majority of people? The majority of people, 33 million people? What’s your factual basis for that claim that 33 million people are suffering from EU membership? [Applause] You complain about the other side’s figures, what is your factual basis to say the majority of people in this country are suffering from EU membership? You don’t have it do you?

MICHAEL GOVE: Well I know myself from my own background, I know that the European Union depresses employment and destroys jobs. My father had a fishing business in Aberdeen destroyed by the European Union and the Common Fisheries Policy, the European Union …

FI: That’s one person.

MICHAEL GOVE: The European Union has hollowed out communities across this country and it has also contributed to lower salaries for working people and it has also ensured that young people in this country don’t have the opportunities to get the entry level jobs that we heard about last night. Now you can say that their concerns don’t matter …

FI: I didn’t say that, I didn’t say that, I didn’t disagree. I said give me an example, you claimed that your father was an example …

MICHAEL GOVE: You were dismissing my father’s example, you were dismissing the concerns of working people. You are on the side, Faisal, of the elites, I’m on the side of the people. [Applause]

FI: You said the majority, you the Lord High Chancellor said a majority of the British public were suffering from the EU. You have no factual evidence for that whatsoever.
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It literally couldn't sound worse.
 
AfterTheFall said:
Mr Trump promised a quick trade deal between the US and the UK after he takes office in five days time.

Encouraging news for us citizens of the United Kingdom.
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Yup, as I said in the other thread. Promise sweetheart trade deals with the UK to make it look safe for EU members who are pissed off that they can leave and not worry.
 
Well, our dogshit currency is great for rich foreigners to come splashing their cash buying up property, and the more eastern Europeans and brown people getting abused and beaten the better if you're a racist wank stain. So no surprises here.
 
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WiiredShawn said:
It's really insufferable that he refers to himself in the third person. I mean, what more obvious sign of a narcissist?
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Worked out well enough for ol' Gaius Julius Ceasar. And I could see McConnel and a few other Senators actually physically stabbing him in the back when things start to fall apart.
 
I love how Donald couldn't even answer if we were at the front of the queue instead saying "I think you're doing great, I think it's going great,".

Still, I'm used to non answers from politicians. I'm surprised he didn't end it like his fucking tweets. Confused.

Beefy said:
"Countries want their own identity and the UK wanted its own identity, but I do think if they hadn't been forced to take in all of the refugees than you wouldn't have a Brexit."
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It is like he doesn't understand the difference between migrant workers and refugees? Also maybe regurgitating the bullshit Farage fed him with.

I certainly don't remember taking in all the refugees nor being forced to. I remember taking in a token sum of Children and even that was met with opposition.

As for the migrants. There were jobs, they came to work. Now I understand the fuels resentment if you've been unemployed, see Polish people as inferior to yourself and see them getting work.
 
He means it's doing great for rich, white males. Just like what he means about making America great again. No one else matters to him.
 
What can Trump offer UK in a deal that helps offset the damage leaving the EU will cause?
serious question, I want to know if the US can help UK succeed after leaving the EU.
 
Trump will fuck the UK over in any trade talks, I can see Brexit becoming a complete disaster if May trusts Trump to defend our interests.

There's the USA and everyone else can go fuck themselves.
 
slit said:
He sees the EU as an obstacle. He's going to try and splinter EU members.
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Thats his deal with russia. Russia wants to divide and conquer. Hope that the rest of the EU recognizes this and finally shows some unity.
Link said:
He means it's doing great for rich, white males. Just like what he means about making America great again. No one else matters to him.
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Rich, white males will also loose if they are in the UK finance business. It will falter from a global marketplace to a local one.
 
darkwing said:
reduce tariffs for the UK, increase tariffs for the EU just like BMW
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He wouldn't even have to increase tariffs on the EU. He could just make an all encompassing deal with the UK and try to steer investment there and away from the mainland.
 
Man. I just never imagined I would go through a world with such political instability. Based on some of the other threads these past couple weeks these are scary times, guys.
 
This man has made me question why the role of US president even exists. Why should one person have so much power and influence over world affairs?
 
I'm sick of those fucking shit stain of a country, it's a fucking disaster, and endorsement from that git is all we need.

The sooner Scotland gets independence the bloody better!!
 
Can you please put this dumb shit in the OP

BBC said:
Mr Trump also talked about the recent dip in the value of the pound.


"The fact that your pound sterling has gone down? Great," he said, "because business is unbelievable in a lot of parts in the UK, as you know. I think Brexit is going to end up being a great thing."
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You fucking moron. It's great for nobody. Get the fuck out of our country, we should build wind farms along all his investments.
 
Uzzy said:
Forget about Toberlone's, the Freddo bar is going to cost 30p now. THIRTY PENCE. Here's a graph to show to it.

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May should resign on this alone.
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I remember when two stick Kit Kats were 7.5p. When they discontinued half pences two stick Kit Kats jumped to 8p, an overnight increase of 7%! That's a true story from my youth.
 
I am really scared we are just going to give a deal away that's going to be terrible for this country. This government is full of pretenders and idiots.
 
Kathian said:
I am really scared we are just going to give a deal away that's going to be terrible for this country. This government is full of pretenders and idiots.
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Going by Trump's rhetoric, I'd expect it to be on better terms than the widely opposed US-EU TTIP deal.
 
BKK said:
Going by Trump's rhetoric, I'd expect it to be on better terms than the widely opposed US-EU TPP deal.
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Err.

The TPP stands for Trans Pacific Partnership.

If you're thinking of TTIP, then the UK can have it, they were the ones pushing for it in the EU.
 
SlipperyFishes said:
Can you please put this dumb shit in the OP



You fucking moron. It's great for nobody. Get the fuck out of our country, we should build wind farms along all his investments.
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Well technically it is good for exports but as our manufacturing industry is worth sweet fuck all right now we're not really in a position to take full advantage.

Our Government rushing to swallow whatever shite deal Trump throws our way in order to try and save us from this Brexit bollocks makes me fell physically ill by the way.
 
tuxfool said:
Err.

The TPP stands for Trans Pacific Partnership.

If you're thinking of TTIP, then the UK can have it, they were the ones pushing for it in the EU.
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HA! Yes, I realised that and edited quickly, but you obviously took your time to reply to the quote, which is sensible :)

Like most countries, some parties pushed for TTIP, others opposed it. I'ts not as simple as saying that X country wanted it, it's more nuanced than that.
 
guek said:
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Yeah, I'm taking a hit now, but still long, I think it should recover in the mid-long term. It will probably go lower after May's Tuesday speech, so maybe a good time to jump on then if you want to buy GBP for cheap. Sentiment is beating fundamentals for now, but fundamentals usually win in the long run.
 
Well, trade deals do not get done in five days. And he has no idea what he is talking about. These next few years are going to be interesting.
 
"Trump said Brexit is going to happen, and it happened. Everybody thought I was crazy," the president-elect continued.
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Wait, did he talk about himself in third person?
 
InsaneTiger said:
Well, trade deals do not get done in five days. And he has no idea what he is talking about. These next few years are going to be interesting.
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No, which is why I like the New Zealand free trade model. The assumption is that everything is free trade, then they negotiate which areas won't be. That can work well for NZ and UK, I don't think either country is interested in protecting any area. It might be more difficult for US, but as UK isn't a low wage economy, it might not be as difficult as with more protectionist or lower wage economies.
 
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