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Donald Trump says UK 'doing great' after Brexit vote
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Royal_Phalanx
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gonna have more of it after brexit, so lube your ass up.
Tory government which the public trusts 3/1 to take care of the NHS better than labour. I wouldn't say that's a good thing, as the current government has practically no opposition whatsoever. Labour under Corbyn is a complete failure.
he has been doing this since the campaign
managed to spin that around there haven't you. Not that it would make a blind bit of difference who the opposition was right now thanks to all the arseholes who gave them a majority.
same goes for brexit, this is all them. The best Labour could do was get them to agree to publish a plan and they still haven't done that.
RPGCrazied
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Someone give Trump an IQ test. I'm afraid he hasn't finished middle school yet. How can someone be so dumb be President of the United States?
America you done fucked up.
America you done fucked up.
Anyway, I find it quite funny, that on the day that Trump called for Nuclear disarmament (or at least a reduction in it), I came to read the response on the (generally left of centre) forums here. The Trump posts in the OP?;
Reports on Russian connections to Trump [Summaries in OP] #GoldenShowers
Trump calls NATO "obsolete"
Trump cancels MLK day visit to African American history museum
Donald Trump says UK 'doing great' after Brexit vote
Pauline Hanson invited to Trump's inauguration
I have a thought that V. Putin could be invited, and attend, Trump Inauguration.
Not even a single thread mentioning his call for reducing nuclear weapons (a policy that Obama has clearly failed on). I guess that I shouldn't be too surprised, some people care more about the person than the policies.
Reports on Russian connections to Trump [Summaries in OP] #GoldenShowers
Trump calls NATO "obsolete"
Trump cancels MLK day visit to African American history museum
Donald Trump says UK 'doing great' after Brexit vote
Pauline Hanson invited to Trump's inauguration
I have a thought that V. Putin could be invited, and attend, Trump Inauguration.
Not even a single thread mentioning his call for reducing nuclear weapons (a policy that Obama has clearly failed on). I guess that I shouldn't be too surprised, some people care more about the person than the policies.
I don't have to spin anything, I'm not a Tory, but why does the public trust Tories at a ratio of 3/1 over Labour to be able to look after the NHS? That's unthinkable under any previous Labour leader. Labour is a busted flush under Corbyn ... if his extremist supporters such as Momentum want to continue to support him in the face of 25% or less poll numbers, then they are idiots. Lib Dems, SNP, and UKIP will end up with more relevance than Labour.
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Because America as a whole is pretty dumb. We've been sliding down the education ranks for a while now. Just as Republicans intended, of course.
Yeah I'll believe that when I see it. Guess who suggested a new arms race a month ago?
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/...lear-arms-race-russia-united-states.html?_r=0
Guess why we don't listen to The Good News. Why the fuck should we trust a single thing this man says?
That's a fair comment, although I try to avoid creating threads on Trump now, as it gets a bit controversial. As for his "expansion" campaign, surely US would "win" that against Russia? So I can see that as an opening position.
Personally, I'm highly sceptical of Trump, but he does offer some exciting prospects. I'm interested to see how he'll do, and won't write him off immediately.
Of course, I could make my own thread, was just personally surprised that there wasn't one already after seeing it on my local news channel. That's fine, I'm not upset that there isn't a thread about that, was just commenting on the echo-chamber like effects of only socialising in a homogenic political environment. Maybe that's why I like to be contrarion on here sometimes ... how boring would it be if everyone just agreed with you?
Right, to play devil's advocate ... he's a deal maker "art of the deal", requires a stick and a carrot. If you want to demand that nuclear powers reduce their nuclear weapons, what better way than to threaten that their local rivals could become nuclear powers to counter them?
Of course, anyone can call a standard politicians bluff. A wildcard like Trump? Not so easy. Personally, and I could well be wrong, I think that Trump's extremisms are opening gambits. He's made the One China policy a negotiating card. That wasn't even on the table under Obama, now he can say to China "OK, we'll give you "One China" if you give us "X". So yeah, maybe I'm being optimistic, but there's way more reasons to be optimistic than under Obama. Under Obama China was basically free to run loose.
Big aim of China and Russia is to keep the Korea peninsular nuclear-free. If North Korea gets nukes, South Korea and Japan could. This would be totally against the interests of those countries. If US wants China to have influence over North Korea, then US threatening to nuclearise South Korea and Japan could be leveraged. Honestly, the intention is pretty obvious, just that the media are either too partisan or too stupid to realise.
Just like I've been arguing for ages that Theresa May had clearly signalled that the UK would be leaving the single market and customs union, yet markets refuse to accept that, thus pound drops on news that has been repeated over and over again since May became PM!
He looks.... creepy
RPGCrazied
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He always does, can you imagine after his 4 years? He will a walking skeleton with orange hanging skin.
metalslimer
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Lol I can't believe anyone really believes that China is going to bow down to Trump especially over something as central as Taiwan.
You misunderstand. That policy requires two parties, if China wants other parties to respect the One China policy, then they need to offer something in return. Trump is trying to reset that deal. Will it be successful? Maybe not, but he's successfully put something on the table that wasn't under Obama.
Edit: And I love the "If you knew as much as us educated types" answer .... I'm not surprised that Trump got elected with dismissive answers like that.
And especially over Taiwan. This is something where they have rather strong beliefs.
You're entirely free to keep peddling diet Trumpism, but what you suggest doesn't exist in this reality.
metalslimer
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Its not on the table. In what possible way has China given an indication negotiations on are on the table. The only thing that has happened is China being antagonize and us not getting anything besides rising tension.
It's amazing how you seem to think this so easy that all anyone needed to do what stand up to the mean Chinese bullies even though even republican presidents have known that wasn't the case.
Well, america loves anti-intellectualism. So..
I actually agree with you, Trump has brought this out of nowhere. But, I have to assume that he's antagonising them for a reason. OK, so we all know they don't like recognision of Taiwan or Tibet. So why is he antagonising them? Easy answer is that he's an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about. It's easy to underestimate your politcal opponents (good propoganda), but in general, your oppononents aren't as stupid as you might wish (otherwise they wouldn't be an opponent, unless you're stupider than you think). I'm sure that there's a Chinese curse against underestimating your political opponents.
Trump regarding the EU in the Bild interview:
Translation:
That orangutan thinks it is okay to gamble with the stability of the EU because it was just founded to beat the US in trade...
Exchanging centuries of bitter animosity and war with decades of friendship and peace certainly had nothing to do with it.
This guy is completely mental.
Stop moaning then!
You are the person moaning about the thread. If you don't like it then simply don't post in it. I find it funny you moan about the threads about Trump and that there isn't a thread about him saying he wants to dismantle some nukes. Yet 99% of the stuff Trump has said has been scary shit for Americans, if not the world. The guy is a bigotted, anti vaxxer, climate change denier asshole, (and way more) who's only love is money ( and fame), he doesn't give a shit where it comes from. I have a hope they do find he is on Russia's payroll but that isn't going to happen. The guy is going to make the world a far worse place for the general public.
I never moaned about this thread! Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread, so I'll take your advice and start one on that subject.
DangerMouse
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BBC News website with a nice bit of irony:
Glorious.
LOL
Yup, was literally going to face-palm. It's going to be a loooooong 4 years....
metalslimer
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DangerMouse
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Sadly that's probably how.
Also, too many idiots vote for the "cool" guy they envy or want to drink a beer with rather than someone qualified to run the country.
This. Not even just rich, white males though. Just the rich, white males who will do him favors.
Too many middle-class and lower bought into his job lies.
Nydius
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Meanwhile, I tap on my Apple News feed and see a whole bunch of news articles about May's speech and the plans for a complete break which might have disastrous consequences for the UK's financial industry and possibly ignite a trade war with the rest of the EU.
...wait, I see why Donald thinks its doing great now. I mean, he's doing his best over here to start a trade war with China and Mexico. Because that always ends well.
At least I can rely on the British for some quality humor at our expense, as always:
...wait, I see why Donald thinks its doing great now. I mean, he's doing his best over here to start a trade war with China and Mexico. Because that always ends well.
At least I can rely on the British for some quality humor at our expense, as always:
CyclopsRock
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Well, I think the view that's banded around - that he thinks we don't need experts - sounds worse, because as all those quotes demonstrate he was talking purely about the IMF, WTO, OBR etc in the context of a discussion where they bring forth their expertise but routinely get it wrong. I, unlike Give, would rather have them on my side but I do understand that what he was saying was that it's gotten to the point where people heat "The IMF has said that Britain faces economic uncertainty due to ..." And roll their eyes. And this was *before* the post-referendum economic expectations were proved wrong. In other words, I still think his point is quite different to the one people has since characterised it as.
Starwolf_UK
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088b853
Don't know if anyone outside the UK can listen but there was some true gold from Gove including:
-(I listened live so only caught the tail end of this) Talking about some experts view that we will be better off but having to stop short of saying he trusts experts (or rather maybe he is just like Donal and only trusts the ones that say things he agrees with no matter their lack expertise)
-Claiming the non answer on if we were at the front of the queue is because Donal doesn't like having words put in his mouth (gonna be a fun inauguration then...)
-"Theresa May's doing a fantastic job" "what was the last time you talked to her?" "just before Christmas"..."I have views but it's not my place to argue now, I'm a backbencher"
The interviewer was nice enough to assume that when Donal says "forced to take in ALL the refugees" he was talking about immigration rather than having no fucking clue.
That aired recently (it'll be about 2 hours 10 into the program).
Don't know if anyone outside the UK can listen but there was some true gold from Gove including:
-(I listened live so only caught the tail end of this) Talking about some experts view that we will be better off but having to stop short of saying he trusts experts (or rather maybe he is just like Donal and only trusts the ones that say things he agrees with no matter their lack expertise)
-Claiming the non answer on if we were at the front of the queue is because Donal doesn't like having words put in his mouth (gonna be a fun inauguration then...)
-"Theresa May's doing a fantastic job" "what was the last time you talked to her?" "just before Christmas"..."I have views but it's not my place to argue now, I'm a backbencher"
The interviewer was nice enough to assume that when Donal says "forced to take in ALL the refugees" he was talking about immigration rather than having no fucking clue.
Theresa May is going to open her mouth again soon so I would cut your losses and buy now.
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Possibly because the UK is still part of the EU and the article 50 has not been triggered as of yet.
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