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shira

shira

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Fnatic.Forev

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lv2 pidgey

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Sigismundo said:
How many of you guys are familiar with Texas-style barbecue? There's a place near me that I want to try but I'm not sure what rubs or sauces or etc they use.

I have also, somehow, never had brisket in my life. It is not that popular here.
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im real big on central texas style bbq
 
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waxinlyrical

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Hylian7 said:
One other thing I'm considering: How many people typically sign up for these IHL's? I'm wondering from a standpoint of dividing it into skill brackets, but I can also see the arguments against that too.
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Kind of late responding to this, but I just got reminded of it when another friend of mine asked me to take part in the Requiem Autumn thing.

Please do consider dividing into skill brackets. Both my experiences in ihl2 and ihl3 were immensely soured by players (naming no names of course) who were much better than the rest of the team, who were then frustrated that the rest of the team was trash. It's not very fun when I get screamed at by the high MMR player when I'm already trying to do my best. It's also no fun if the higher MMR players (perhaps rightfully) ask to play core roles and ask lower MMR players to play support, when the lower MMR players don't normally play support.

I realize this might be impossible purely from a logistics/we don't have enough players at a common MMR band standpoint, but without some sort of guarantee I'm going to be matched up and against players who are of similar skill level to me I will probably pass on whatever new ihl comes up.
 
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twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
first game of dota in ages

we get the classic 2k afk midas aghs invoker and a techies

this is why i stopped playing dota 2, because you lose at the pick screen and then have to wait 45 minutes before you're allowed to quit
 
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Hylian7

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waxinlyrical said:
Kind of late responding to this, but I just got reminded of it when another friend of mine asked me to take part in the Requiem Autumn thing.

Please do consider dividing into skill brackets. Both my experiences in ihl2 and ihl3 were immensely soured by players (naming no names of course) who were much better than the rest of the team, who were then frustrated that the rest of the team was trash. It's not very fun when I get screamed at by the high MMR player when I'm already trying to do my best. It's also no fun if the higher MMR players (perhaps rightfully) ask to play core roles and ask lower MMR players to play support, when the lower MMR players don't normally play support.

I realize this might be impossible purely from a logistics/we don't have enough players at a common MMR band standpoint, but without some sort of guarantee I'm going to be matched up and against players who are of similar skill level to me I will probably pass on whatever new ihl comes up.
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I feel you on that. I know one thing that was particularly frustrating to me was that when I was captain, I was near the end of the picks and most of the higher level players were pretty well picked over.

Another idea I considered was doing randomized teams (as in shuffle at the beginning of the season and that is your team for the season), but I think that is only viable with split brackets, as there would be a very real possibility of super stacked teams. I realize that may not be an idea that everyone would support though.

I'll probably do a Google poll in a bit on information like MMR's, hours of Dota, number of games, etc, mainly of an idea of where to draw the line for a potential division split.
 
manfestival

manfestival

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godelsmetric said:
first game of dota in ages

we get the classic 2k afk midas aghs invoker and a techies

this is why i stopped playing dota 2, because you lose at the pick screen and then have to wait 45 minutes before you're allowed to quit
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that should be encouraging to overcome the odds that are stacked against you
 
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Procarbine

Forever Platinum
Hylian7 said:
I feel you on that. I know one thing that was particularly frustrating to me was that when I was captain, I was near the end of the picks and most of the higher level players were pretty well picked over.

Another idea I considered was doing randomized teams (as in shuffle at the beginning of the season and that is your team for the season), but I think that is only viable with split brackets, as there would be a very real possibility of super stacked teams. I realize that may not be an idea that everyone would support though.

I'll probably do a Google poll in a bit on information like MMR's, hours of Dota, number of games, etc, mainly of an idea of where to draw the line for a potential division split.
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We absolutely do not have the population to support multiple skill brackets. Not only do you need to field complete teams but you need alternates in case people cant make it, and you need enough teams to keep it interesting. That and the entire point of IHL is to play with people outside of your normal circle and bracket within this community. If you end up running the league do not split it, please.
 
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Hylian7

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Procarbine said:
We absolutely do not have the population to support multiple skill brackets. Not only do you need to field complete teams but you need alternates in case people cant make it, and you need enough teams to keep it interesting. That and the entire point of IHL is to play with people outside of your normal circle and bracket within this community. If you end up running the league do not split it, please.
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Noted. I think the largest factor in this is how many sign up.

Did the numbers from IHL 2 to 3 increase significantly?
 
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PillowKnight

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waxinlyrical said:
Kind of late responding to this, but I just got reminded of it when another friend of mine asked me to take part in the Requiem Autumn thing.

Please do consider dividing into skill brackets. Both my experiences in ihl2 and ihl3 were immensely soured by players (naming no names of course) who were much better than the rest of the team, who were then frustrated that the rest of the team was trash. It's not very fun when I get screamed at by the high MMR player when I'm already trying to do my best. It's also no fun if the higher MMR players (perhaps rightfully) ask to play core roles and ask lower MMR players to play support, when the lower MMR players don't normally play support.

I realize this might be impossible purely from a logistics/we don't have enough players at a common MMR band standpoint, but without some sort of guarantee I'm going to be matched up and against players who are of similar skill level to me I will probably pass on whatever new ihl comes up.
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That sucks dude, although with the current format, there's not much that can be done about that sort of stuff admin wise. It's more of a thing that needs to be resolved within the team. Skill brackets seem really cool but they don't work out that well in practice, although maybe if you just cut the player pool in two at 3500 or something.

I thought IHLs were over forever? Don't do this to me, I don't want to have to play dota again.
 
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Hylian7

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I H L S U R V E Y B O Y S

https://goo.gl/forms/ezWxKPTIlULSQox13

Just want to get some metrics and get some ideas going. I'm leaning more and more toward doing this.

PillowKnight said:
That sucks dude, although with the current format, there's not much that can be done about that sort of stuff admin wise. It's more of a thing that needs to be resolved within the team. Skill brackets seem really cool but they don't work out that well in practice, although maybe if you just cut the player pool in two at 3500 or something.

I thought IHLs were over forever? Don't do this to me, I don't want to have to play dota again.
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Start installing, I think I'm taking the reins here.
 
Heavy's Sandvich

Heavy's Sandvich

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godelsmetric said:
first game of dota in ages

we get the classic 2k afk midas aghs invoker and a techies

this is why i stopped playing dota 2, because you lose at the pick screen and then have to wait 45 minutes before you're allowed to quit
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you can win every match, you can always come back. never give up, pros dont, they never get outdrafted and gg out after 18 minutes
 
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twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
manfestival said:
that should be encouraging to overcome the odds that are stacked against you
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i was a nyx, there's only so much u can do when ur invoker only knows how to summon forged spirits and miss the four sunstrikes he drops tbh.

i mean why even get aghs first when u clearly can't play well enough for the instant invoke to be relevant.

anyway, after i was done dragging him in chat the enemy riki dragged him for exactly the same thing (only casting two spells in every fight), so that felt good.
 
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Fevaweva

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So I have checked that the Xbox DVR isn't recording my games automatically, and it isn't but I am still getting really weird jerkiness which I think I can attribute to packet loss?

My ping is still ike 36ms. Any more help?

Its still only DOTA that does it as well.
 
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gai_shain

Member
PillowKnight said:
That sucks dude, although with the current format, there's not much that can be done about that sort of stuff admin wise. It's more of a thing that needs to be resolved within the team. Skill brackets seem really cool but they don't work out that well in practice, although maybe if you just cut the player pool in two at 3500 or something.

I thought IHLs were over forever? Don't do this to me, I don't want to have to play dota again.
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I pretty much agree with all this, I had a great time in the past with the way it was run but if there are skillbrackets it wouldnt make much sense to make more than 2 imo.
 
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J Jizzle

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I've been slowly getting back into this after a small hiatus so I'll try to participate in the next IHL as I need more dotes friends. Being shouted for my 2.8k supporting skillz is a normal day for me so it happening in the IHL won't affect me at all!
 
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zombieshavebrains

I have not used cocaine
I need to vent.

I play with someone I'm close with but is extremely toxic. He loves playing support characters to the point where he's the ppd sixth position. Except he doesn't know how to run the jungle or make rotations so he usually buys the wards and complains about dying all the time and having no items.

This is on top of him being easily tilted. Someone makes a joke or tells him what to do? He spends more time typing his retorts than playing the fucking game. Any type of self reflection is beyond him. I mute his text/audio in game but we usually talk on discord. The rest of the game is how he does all the time, how bad someone else is, and how were going to lose. The definition of tilted.

He's usually content with being the support that soaks up but doesn't buy smokes or try to create any plays. I'm not sure why we are even on discord because he doesn't communicate his intentions like "go on X". I've told him multiple times I can't read his mind so if he wants to do something he needs to let me know.

He's more interested in playing then practicing and getting better. Which might be why he won't play anything but support for the past 4 years. Makes it easier to cover mechanical faults and can always blame the carry.

I'm not sure I can play with him anymore but I sometimes would rather put up with this then play with Peruvians who refuse to speak English. I just wanted to vent.
 
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potatohead

Member
zombieshavebrains said:
I need to vent.

I play with someone I'm close with but is extremely toxic. He loves playing support characters to the point where he's the ppd sixth position. Except he doesn't know how to run the jungle or make rotations so he usually buys the wards and complains about dying all the time and having no items.

This is on top of him being easily tilted. Someone makes a joke or tells him what to do? He spends more time typing his retorts than playing the fucking game. Any type of self reflection is beyond him. I mute his text/audio in game but we usually talk on discord. The rest of the game is how he does all the time, how bad someone else is, and how were going to lose. The definition of tilted.

He's usually content with being the support that soaks up but doesn't buy smokes or try to create any plays. I'm not sure why we are even on discord because he doesn't communicate his intentions like "go on X". I've told him multiple times I can't read his mind so if he wants to do something he needs to let me know.

He's more interested in playing then practicing and getting better. Which might be why he won't play anything but support for the past 4 years. Makes it easier to cover mechanical faults and can always blame the carry.

I'm not sure I can play with him anymore but I sometimes would rather put up with this then play with Peruvians who refuse to speak English. I just wanted to vent.
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I'll play with you broski. I've got mellower teammates who know how to play for the most part. We played ranked or unranked. PM for deets. Most of my buds are 2.5k to 3k, I'm 4k and 3k party.
 
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LiQuid!

I proudly and openly admit to wishing death upon the mothers of people I don't like
zombieshavebrains said:
I need to vent.

I play with someone I'm close with but is extremely toxic. He loves playing support characters to the point where he's the ppd sixth position. Except he doesn't know how to run the jungle or make rotations so he usually buys the wards and complains about dying all the time and having no items.

This is on top of him being easily tilted. Someone makes a joke or tells him what to do? He spends more time typing his retorts than playing the fucking game. Any type of self reflection is beyond him. I mute his text/audio in game but we usually talk on discord. The rest of the game is how he does all the time, how bad someone else is, and how were going to lose. The definition of tilted.

He's usually content with being the support that soaks up but doesn't buy smokes or try to create any plays. I'm not sure why we are even on discord because he doesn't communicate his intentions like "go on X". I've told him multiple times I can't read his mind so if he wants to do something he needs to let me know.

He's more interested in playing then practicing and getting better. Which might be why he won't play anything but support for the past 4 years. Makes it easier to cover mechanical faults and can always blame the carry.

I'm not sure I can play with him anymore but I sometimes would rather put up with this then play with Peruvians who refuse to speak English. I just wanted to vent.
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As a 6 position support player, instead of bitching about your boy on the internet how about you give him a d-suck instead? It's not his fault you lost, it's yours. Whiner. He buys WARDS for you and you repay him by failing to carry? Bitch please.
 
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Hylian7

Member
zombieshavebrains said:
I need to vent.

I play with someone I'm close with but is extremely toxic. He loves playing support characters to the point where he's the ppd sixth position. Except he doesn't know how to run the jungle or make rotations so he usually buys the wards and complains about dying all the time and having no items.

This is on top of him being easily tilted. Someone makes a joke or tells him what to do? He spends more time typing his retorts than playing the fucking game. Any type of self reflection is beyond him. I mute his text/audio in game but we usually talk on discord. The rest of the game is how he does all the time, how bad someone else is, and how were going to lose. The definition of tilted.

He's usually content with being the support that soaks up but doesn't buy smokes or try to create any plays. I'm not sure why we are even on discord because he doesn't communicate his intentions like "go on X". I've told him multiple times I can't read his mind so if he wants to do something he needs to let me know.

He's more interested in playing then practicing and getting better. Which might be why he won't play anything but support for the past 4 years. Makes it easier to cover mechanical faults and can always blame the carry.

I'm not sure I can play with him anymore but I sometimes would rather put up with this then play with Peruvians who refuse to speak English. I just wanted to vent.
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First off, the "Peruvians who refuse to speak English" really is not as big of an issue as you make it out to be. I know playing with someone that doesn't speak the same language is not ideal, but Dota has plenty of ways around that. Pings, chat wheel/hotkey messages, drawing on the map, hovering on heroes and the lane picker during picks, and most importantly alt+clicking. If you didn't know, all of these automatically translate to whatever language you are playing the game in. So if the "Peruvians" are speaking Spanish, they will see your "Well played" as "Bien jugado". Alt+clicking can say so much without typing or talking in voice chat. You can alt+click the clock to mean various things, such as an upcoming rune, rosh time, etc. You can call missing by either the "missing" command or alt+clicking the hero at the top of screen, ctrl+alt for returned. You can point out items, say if you're buying Mek and someone else shouldn't get it. You have a lot to work with here. I know I have played with and won with many teammates who didn't speak English. I would estimate I have about the same winrate as with teammates that do speak English.

Regarding the question you initially asked, I have dealt with friend-related frustrations myself. Here's a few things you can suggest:

1. Remind them there are Tomes in stock. Part of the reason I love these things is because some of my friends get tilted and have trouble getting their levels when playing support. Tomes are great because they are pretty much made for supports that are behind. No matter who I am playing with, I regularly check how many Tomes are in stock. With some of my friends they often forget and I remind them that there are 2 or 3 in stock. The most important one is the 10 minute Tome though.

2. Tell them when they are in a dangerous position. Do not follow when you sense it's a bad idea. They may die a few times, but they will hopefully learn to be more cautious. Probably the biggest one is that they don't notice when someone else is TPing from another lane, or has been off the grid for a while. I call back and they ask "Why?" and then Lich shows up to throw an ult and I say "That's why".

3. Figure out where the wards are and tell them. Depending on how long you have played, you might be able to figure out where the wards are without detection for them. Notice what enemy players do based on where they *should* be able to see you, and if they see you when they shouldn't normally be able to, you know there's a ward in the area. Tell your teammates about it so they can deward it, and get the easy money and small amount of XP. Wards win wars!

4. Don't give up. I have had so many games where my friend says in 5-10 minutes "This is over, X carry on the other team is gonna kick our ass because they are freefarming." If I had a dollar for every time I heard that and won the game, I would probably have preordered two or three of those Mirana statues. Just try to relax, figure out what your team needs to do to bring yourselves back into the game. I know I used to often believe otherwise, and most likely everyone goes through the phase of believing that lots of games are "unwinnable" at some point, but very rarely do I get to a game and see it's "unwinnable" early on, if ever. I can only really safely say that if they're knocking all our rax without a problem and any attempt to stop them is futile.
 
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LiQuid!

I proudly and openly admit to wishing death upon the mothers of people I don't like
I wasn't even messing around at all. FEEL BAD. Your friend is the real MVP. You're lucky his rage has only manifested itself in a little harmless Dota 2 toxicity.
 
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Quesa

Member
zombieshavebrains said:
I need to vent.

I play with someone I'm close with but is extremely toxic. He loves playing support characters to the point where he's the ppd sixth position. Except he doesn't know how to run the jungle or make rotations so he usually buys the wards and complains about dying all the time and having no items.

This is on top of him being easily tilted. Someone makes a joke or tells him what to do? He spends more time typing his retorts than playing the fucking game. Any type of self reflection is beyond him. I mute his text/audio in game but we usually talk on discord. The rest of the game is how he does all the time, how bad someone else is, and how were going to lose. The definition of tilted.

He's usually content with being the support that soaks up but doesn't buy smokes or try to create any plays. I'm not sure why we are even on discord because he doesn't communicate his intentions like "go on X". I've told him multiple times I can't read his mind so if he wants to do something he needs to let me know.

He's more interested in playing then practicing and getting better. Which might be why he won't play anything but support for the past 4 years. Makes it easier to cover mechanical faults and can always blame the carry.

I'm not sure I can play with him anymore but I sometimes would rather put up with this then play with Peruvians who refuse to speak English. I just wanted to vent.
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I'm actually going to deviate and tell you that instead of trying to make him better at the game, just tell him you're sick of the way he plays. Don't focus on him being bad; mention that you're tired of him being a jerk, that he can't keep blaming everyone but himself for losses, and that if he doesn't stop being toxic you're going to stop playing with him.

Trying to get him to improve leads down a road I don't think you want to get involved with. If he's enough of a jerk to be as toxic as you say he is, he isn't going to take your advice constructively.

And as TUSR already said, don't listen to Liquid.
 
shira

shira

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https://twitter.com/alexgarfield/status/767765664505311232 said:
Alexander GarfieldVerified account
‏@alexgarfield
I'm announcing today that I've left @Twitch. Thank you to everyone at @GoodGame, @theAllianceGG, and @EvilGeniuses for changing my life. ❤️
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RIP NA DOTO
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Hylian7

Member
kionedrik said:
So... what makes Pitlord unique?
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Think Boots of Travel Level 2, but being able to take your teammates that are around you with you.

Like a one-way Relocate for your whole team.

Pretty sure he's a support, given his disable being pretty good as well as aura and his nuke giving him damage.
 
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