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DOTA2 |OT15| anime only please

shira

shira

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Artanisix said:
i saw one on ebay for like $300 starting bid
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http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Dota-2-International-2016-COSPLAY-PIN-AND-CODE-/172310260804

$1225 USD
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Hylian7

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SecretMoblin said:
it's the MOBA equivalent of a penalty for excessive celebration in football or a technical foul in basketball or code violations (racket throwing etc) in tennis.

it's not really the dumb MOBA wars "wow they were fined for exploring emergent gameplay? DotA 2 by Valve Corporation totally encourages that, shameful!"

if you think it's stupid to fine a team $300 (which is less than a slap on the wrist) for something like that, cool, but it's hardly worth the snickering condescension it's getting
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The thing is in esports these things are very different. In soccer, taking your jersey off is a yellow card offense, but you can't do something like that in Dota that is outside the bounds of the game. The only things that even come close are BM in chat or any kind of external cheats such as maphacking, Meepo Poof scripts, etc.
 
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SecretMoblin

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should teams be penalized (even in a minor way) for allchat BM?

I don't think so, but I would totally understand if Valve wanted to codify regulations for it. That's essentially all that was.
 
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iamblades

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Haly said:
I once praised Riot for paying their players a base salary and thinking Valve should do the same to support people who aren't EG/Secrekt.

Well don't I feel stupid now.
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Yeah, in a growth industry, you never want to take the steady paycheck when you can get 'points on the package' as it were.

NormalFish said:
what are you even talking about? that ruling had nothing to do with "throwing" or match fixing. It was a ruling based on lack of sportsmanship. It's still dumb, and Riot has demonstrated they are far too trigger happy with fines, but at least read the article.

Conceptually, LCS is fantastic. Issue is Riot has demonstrated themselves to be less effective at running their league than a dead cat.
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Was it really though? I still do not understand why a pro sports league format for esports is better than the golf/tennis model. I get that it allowed them to economically have weekly live content, but in order to do so they have to stretch 2 weeks worth of games over 3 months, they have to subsidize over a dozen shitty teams that no one wants to watch, and it limits international play and the level of competition because teams are stuck playing in these regional leagues against teams that pose no real challenge to them instead of regularly going up against the best teams in the world and improving.

If your scene can support regularly(~monthly) LAN tournaments, like Dota and CS:GO have shown they can do, why the fuck would you ever want a shitty 3 month league when you could have and ESL one, an Epicenter and a Major in that time period instead? Events where you actually have the best teams in the world competing against each other instead of 'over half these teams have absolutely no shot of winning, but they have an LCS spot, so watch some shitty games'.

It's not just that Riot runs the LCS poorly, its that there is not enough talent or sponsorship money in the world to support 40+ (just counting the big leagues, and I'm aware Riot doesn't run Korea and China) teams playing at the highest level.
 
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Sigismundo

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SecretMoblin said:
should teams be penalized (even in a minor way) for allchat BM?

I don't think so, but I would totally understand if Valve wanted to codify regulations for it. That's essentially all that was.
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What are the regulations on all chat BM at Valve events anyway? We've seen Moon taunt plenty of times so those seem to be allowed.
 
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Red UFO

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shira said:

Good lord these are the best games. Level 25 with all hard carries duking it out

Teammate Slardar gets triggered hard from the last game.
Cliff jungle Medusa gets triggered hard and starts allchat flaming.
Enigma rage quits, Medusa rage quits and comes back

Meanwhile I get to afk jungle skeleton king. Usually never top GPM on my team, but I finally did it.

https://yasp.co/matches/2596763771/chat
Medusa writing a fucking novella

edit: ez 500 compentium points
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Why are Dota players so mentally unstable
 
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Hylian7

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Why is Battle Fury still in Underlord's top 5 most purchased items according to Dotabuff (it's shown as #6, but TP is within the top 5 so that doesn't really count)? I haven't tried it, and haven't seen anyone try it in one of my games, but it seems like total garbage in theory. You only have that damage in fights. You don't have significant damage to farm with it, you'll only get a bunch of damage AFTER you already won the teamfight, and in that case you want to use that damage to hit buildings. Sure you get a little from creeps, but I don't think its anything to buy a BF over.

Magnus Empower is another story, but BF just seems like a total waste of money when you could get so many more items that are actually useful.

Is there some hidden attraction of it that I am missing, or is it really just garbage that people think is good but really isn't?
 
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NBtoaster

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Hylian7 said:
Why is Battle Fury still in Underlord's top 5 most purchased items according to Dotabuff (it's shown as #6, but TP is within the top 5 so that doesn't really count)? I haven't tried it, and haven't seen anyone try it in one of my games, but it seems like total garbage in theory. You only have that damage in fights. You don't have significant damage to farm with it, you'll only get a bunch of damage AFTER you already won the teamfight, and in that case you want to use that damage to hit buildings. Sure you get a little from creeps, but I don't think its anything to buy a BF over.

Magnus Empower is another story, but BF just seems like a total waste of money when you could get so many more items that are actually useful.

Is there some hidden attraction of it that I am missing, or is it really just garbage that people think is good but really isn't?
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It only takes 3-4 camps to get 50 damage. Still probably bad though.
 
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Label

The Amiga Brotherhood
Might also be due to BF being in the default recommended item list. Although they might have resolved it now?
 
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Hylian7

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NBtoaster said:
It only takes 3-4 camps to get 50 damage. Still probably bad though.
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3-4 camps is already the majority of the jungle, and that makes it sound like extremely diminishing returns, plus unless you are blinking, you still lose some of that when moving camp to camp.
 
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Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
You can subtract a couple of hundred or so from that if you do quests/sales/whatever but he's spending nearly a thousand at the very least.
 
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la_briola

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evlcookie said:
9 Game win streak, longest I believe i've had and all as Rubick. Feels fucking good man.
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dotabuff lists your longest win/lose streak

edit: for me
Longest Winning Streak 11 Storm Spirit (35:46) Won 2014-10-20, Normal, All Random
Longest Losing Streak 10 Mirana (20:21) Lost 2013-11-20, Normal, All Pick
 
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Hydrophobic

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Haly said:
I had no idea it was a SC2 term
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Technically it's SC1 term. It's orb-walking with a group of stimmed marines.

Ayyyyy I'm back http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2596552965

That game was supposed to be like a warmup for me to get back into dota. Instead it was so easy I might as well have played a bot game. AA dove under our T1 tower to try killing Phoenix at level 2-ish with no creeps under tower and completely ignoring me (playing Lich).
 
shira

shira

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http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sp1ppk said:
What an incredible year it has been.

OG started out as an idea to form a team with a few fundamental principals: Friendship, trust and hard work. I finally was able to use the what I've learned over the years to feel confident as a captain with this new team, but not in an imposing way - I always strive to learn and become better every day, along with my teammates.

We had amazing success, and then a downfall.. but we survived through that and just like before, we repeated our pattern where we rose quickly but had another big fall when it mattered the most.
Winning big tournaments affects your mentality, and when we got to TI we were not able to reach the same level of fire and motivation we had for Manila. It felt like we were just playing the game, and I can see the people we played against would yell and scream and jump with excitement while we were mellow... I tried to instill motivation the best way I know, but in the end it did not work.

In the end, we were 5 players who are not all completely the same. While we did start out the team with these fundamentals, over time people changed a little bit, and it didn't feel the same as when we started the team.
Cr1t- and Miracle- are both very young and have a lot of potential. This was the first year for them playing in the highest level of dota, and I think they just want to try out new things while they can, it’s a growing process and I understand it, and I’m not going to hold them back.

With Moon it was a bit different, but out of respect for him it was not because of his talent nor skill that we parted ways with him, sometimes people have different personalities and don't work as well together.

Making a team is a very delicate procedure, there are so many factors involved that you can't just simply choose 5 players you think are good. It's extremely rare and hard to find people who will be on the same page as you, and it's something you also have to work for as a team, it doesn't just click right away. You really have to understand the other people on your team to be able to play the best together.

After being in several different teams, I can say that this was the best experience of my dota career so far. I don't think the 5 of us were completely on the same page, but we were very close—it showed with our success. Even tho we parted ways, it does not mean our friendship ends here. I really wish that Cr1t-, Miracle- and Moon all have success, because they are all incredible players, and I respect them.

Like some smart people said, don't be sad its over, be glad it happened.

So what comes next?

I am on vacation at my fathers place, and I talked to him yesterday. He used to compete in Judo, and he went to train in Japan.. and back then it was not simple for the Japanese to accept someone foreign training with them, so they would try to break him in any way possible. They would train for 8 hours, and after that they would have sparring matches—if you win, they throw another guy at you until you break. They just wanted you to go back home.

This went on for 6 months, and after that they finally started giving my father some respect, because he would not give up no matter what, he would fight on and would never quit.
After that they started calling him Tōshi, which means fighting spirit in Japanese, and even made him a Judogi with that written on it.

So like my dad, I am not one to give up easily. Even tho these changes are not easy, and things don't go your way.. Your plan A, plan B and plan C all fail, you still push on and find a solution, you don't give up. I won't give up. I aim to be the best and that won't change.

OG will stand, and I hope those who followed us will continue to do so, because this is going to be the beginning of something new, and something that will continue to be great.

#DreamGreen
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Man even Fly's dad is a weeb
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waxinlyrical

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Red UFO said:
I have like, a 20% winrate on lich. Dotas hardest hero bar none
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Lich is one of the few heroes I can comfortably play hard support on, he's my go-to-hero when my pubs insta-lock 4 carries and a jungler. Try not to take your nuke at level 1 if you can, unless it will actually help you secure first blood at the rune fight at 0:00. Normally take sacrifice, eat the ranged creep from mid lane from the first wave and head to your safe lane from there. Harass the offlaner with right click (being careful of creep aggro! Ideally you'd be able to box out the enemy melee offlaner). Get level 2, level up nuke. Now use mana from sacrifice and nuke the offlaner on cooldown.

That should win your safelane 90% of the time.

From there: buy wards, TP when someone is getting dived, especially if you have Chain Frost up. I like getting Force Staff first on Lich since he does have mana problems casting his ult even with Sacrifice if you spam his nuke. Part of that might be that I like getting Tranquils on Lich instead of mana boots though. From there: buy normal support items like Glimmer if you don't already have heavy invis on your team. Aether lens is good, Aghs is not worth it generally, Sheep stick if you are balling out of control, etc.

If you are greedy like me you will max Sacrifice first, nuke next and frost armor last, but I think most people would recommend leaving sacrifice at 2, getting a value point in frost armor at level 4, and maxing nuke first.

Don't forget to frost armor towers/rax as they are getting beat on, it can win you games even if you are Mega Creeped.
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Also it's easy to forget this, but Chain Frost does a BKB piercing mini-stun on cast. Useful for when you absolutely need to interrupt a TP on the enemy carry, stop Black Hole, etc.
 
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Red UFO

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waxinlyrical said:
Lich is one of the few heroes I can comfortably play hard support on, he's my go-to-hero when my pubs insta-lock 4 carries and a jungler. Try not to take your nuke at level 1 if you can, unless it will actually help you secure first blood at the rune fight at 0:00. Normally take sacrifice, eat the ranged creep from mid lane from the first wave and head to your safe lane from there. Harass the offlaner with right click (being careful of creep aggro! Ideally you'd be able to box out the enemy melee offlaner). Get level 2, level up nuke. Now use mana from sacrifice and nuke the offlaner on cooldown.

That should win your safelane 90% of the time.

From there: buy wards, TP when someone is getting dived, especially if you have Chain Frost up. I like getting Force Staff first on Lich since he does have mana problems casting his ult even with Sacrifice if you spam his nuke. Part of that might be that I like getting Tranquils on Lich instead of mana boots though. From there: buy normal support items like Glimmer if you don't already have heavy invis on your team. Aether lens is good, Aghs is not worth it generally, Sheep stick if you are balling out of control, etc.

If you are greedy like me you will max Sacrifice first, nuke next and frost armor last, but I think most people would recommend leaving sacrifice at 2, getting a value point in frost armor at level 4, and maxing nuke first.

Don't forget to frost armor towers/rax as they are getting beat on, it can win you games even if you are Mega Creeped.
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Also it's easy to forget this, but Chain Frost does a BKB piercing mini-stun on cast. Useful for when you absolutely need to interrupt a TP on the enemy carry, stop Black Hole, etc.
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Top lad
 
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Cyborgmatt

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shira said:
I'm surprised they didn't pull this shit with Twitch. Hey you guys are streaming that other MOBA. Stop it or we'll . . . uh fine you.
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Some shit like that has happened internally. There was a big riot (kappa) about pros playing hearthstone during downtime between pub games etc.
 
shira

shira

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It's like this weird pattern with Riot.

- introduce rule
- if there is hostility apologize and/or change rule
- ???
- profit
 
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waxinlyrical

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Twookie said:
wut why

yeah true. "spectate faker" - drama + trying to reveal icefrogs identity didn't sit well with the league subreddit either

truly an idiot, geniunely surprised the pr department hasnt put a muzzle on him yet
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Marc's one of the founders of Riot isn't he? I imagine your boss wouldn't take too kindly if you told him to shut up.
 
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Twookie

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waxinlyrical said:
Marc's one of the founders of Riot isn't he? I imagine your boss wouldn't take too kindly if you told him to shut up.
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he's one of the cofounders yeah, but every time he says something on reddit, a shit storm ensues. the pr department should atleast go through the shit he writes before he post dumb shit on reddit so that they don't have to clean up his mess every time.

The least they could do is change his reddit password or something
 
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Hydrophobic

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Honestly I'm glad Riot goes back on some decisions if the community as a whole is opposed, but some of their esports decisions feel like they should really be screened with teams before they make them. Like saying 'Hey, would it be okay if we said you don't get to play any other games on stream anymore?'. They would receive immediate feedback of 'No that's ridiculous. We can promise to at least not play direct competitors'.

Does anyone know how major sports organizations (i.e. the MLB, NFL, FIFA) compare in terms of setting rules?
 
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Hazaro

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Haly said:
I once praised Riot for paying their players a base salary and thinking Valve should do the same to support people who aren't EG/Secrekt.

Well don't I feel stupid now.
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It's useful to some degree, especially in the regions where VC hasn't come in and boosted player salaries to unsustainable levels in the current ecosystem, and laying a backbone for stability is good. The fact is that that base pay should not limit what players/orgs/talent can do. There's a wealth of information and organizations out there now that do things properly.
The fact that SMITE has a bigger prize pool and better monetization for orgs should make some people wake up, but hey Dota isn't even installed on the computers at Riot so
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The rest of the points Monte brings up and other things that have lain around a lot are bigger problems that need addressing now, or rather, long ago.
More people need their hands in the LCS pot. All the skin money going to Riot with no cuts to anyone is crazy. $4,000 in team icon sales is sub-optimal a flat out joke for any organization.

Still won't have booths because MUH CROWD EXPERIENCE
Also I keep up to date on all the League drama because its the best
 
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