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DOTA2 |OT15| anime only please

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NormalFish

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Monochromaticx said:
New newbee:
Kpii Kaka sccc (9k mmr) Faith (won ti with ig) uuu9 (was with Faith in tongfu)

Super xiao8 and Yao joined LGD "Forever Young" lmao. Yes thats the real team name

Some dude named ghost is the new vg mid

Garder from ti5 cdec joined ehome

CDEC new team Sep June Flyby demons Shade
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but what about the best chinese player of all time, ZSMJ?
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Arol

Member
I haven't kept up but is Digital Chaos still going to compete in NA? I'm assuming yes for now.

EG, NP, and DC. Complexity has a bit of an uphill battle to compete in NA region. May skip out on a few tournaments depending on how many teams get invited to any particular tournament from NA.
 
shira

shira

Member
Arol said:
I haven't kept up but is Digital Chaos still going to compete in NA? I'm assuming yes for now.

EG, NP, and DC. Complexity has a bit of an uphill battle to compete in NA region. May skip out on a few tournaments depending on how many teams get invited to any particular tournament from NA.
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Typically there are 8 slots for your average LAN.
4 invited (EG, Wings, DC, Liquid)
- 1 SEA qualifier
- 1 NA qualifier
- 1 EU qualifier
- 1 CN qualifier.
 
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BHK3

Banned
I don't expect it till November. They can do a custom game for halloween, New Journey in November than something in December. Three updates back to back like that. They can just do it at the end of september, halloween, nothing for november than Christmas though. Until then I've lowered my dota game time, I'm praying for a miracle of some sort of new ranked system that can bring me back in.
 
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Hylian7

Member
I just attempted to play offlane Void going Blink...I don't get it. I feel like you're more useless than you would be safelane and are just a creep running like Sonic the Hedgehog under your Chrono.

Can someone explain it to me? Because I am having a hard time seeing why any other initiator isn't better.
 
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BHK3

Banned
Hylian7 said:
I just attempted to play offlane Void going Blink...I don't get it. I feel like you're more useless than you would be safelane and are just a creep running like Sonic the Hedgehog under your Chrono.

Can someone explain it to me? Because I am having a hard time seeing why any other initiator isn't better.
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Name these other initiators that are 'better'. Void can scale and is meant to be quite tanky with vlads/vanguard/radiance/ with a good ult. Clock has to work off cogs and not missing his hook, Centaur is just clock but needs to have points in double edge to do damage, Slardar I could say is better compared to void, both ES's have a hard time. Void can do a lot of damage in lane and take none of it in return due to timewalk PMS gaming and just harrassment bash you back to the fountain. You get that quick diffusal blade and now you're a real threat.
 
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Kalnos

Banned
I think the problem is you built treads -> maelstrom -> blink. Try getting PMS / treads -> vlads -> blink. I think that iron talon and vlads would let you farm just as effectively and be more useful at the same time.
 
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Hylian7

Member
BHK3 said:
Name these other initiators that are 'better'. Void can scale and is meant to be quite tanky with vlads/vanguard/radiance/ with a good ult. Clock has to work off cogs and not missing his hook, Centaur is just clock but needs to have points in double edge to do damage, Slardar I could say is better compared to void, both ES's have a hard time. Void can do a lot of damage in lane and take none of it in return due to timewalk PMS gaming and just harrassment bash you back to the fountain. You get that quick diffusal blade and now you're a real threat.
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Kalnos said:
I think the problem is you built treads -> maelstrom -> blink. Try getting PMS / treads -> vlads -> blink. I think that iron talon and vlads would let you farm just as effectively and be more useful at the same time.
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The problem I see with it, particularly the items Kalnos suggested is that you have no damage. Every single other initiator, be it Centaur, Slardar, Magnus, Tidehunter, or anything. They all have some kind of damage with their skills. Void has...hitting them and hoping for a bash, and an ultimate that's hard to manuever around for your teammates.
 
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Dreams-Visions

Member
Drkirby said:
Slacks is an honest inspiration. If he can do it, surely I can play my way up to 5k too.
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of course you can. but you might have to be willing to spam semi-broken heroes for a few months. none of those edgy venomancer/bloodcyka/shaman picks along the way to spice up your nights.
 
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The M.O.B

Member
Hylian7 said:
Can someone explain it to me? Because I am having a hard time seeing why any other initiator isn't better.
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You and your team didn't take advantage of their synergy with chrono. I watched the first 20 minutes of your game.

Your were getting safelane-esque farm on the bot lane (top net worth the first 10 minutes). However having pudge there was a net negative imo. FV needs levels like any hero in the offlane. The quicker to lvl 6, the quicker you can kill someone and get +400 gold easy.

The Maelstrom is an completely offense item which you didn't need. Your team will do the killing easily if you just land a few 2 or 3 man chronos. You landed a good one at around 15 minutes on the wisp and bounty hunter but your team didn't even get a tower out of it. Your team had like a perfect gank squad of bane+BS+pudge but elected to try and team fight when chrono was down? weird decisions
 
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waxinlyrical

Member
Sgt.Pepper said:
is there anyone that goes up in the mmr ladder without picking obvious fotm heroes?
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Sure. Attacker is a well known Kunkka spammer, before he was considered anywhere near FOTM. There's Badman who made Spectre meta with the diffusal rush instead of radiance. There's Guardian, the carry Wisp player. There's also the PA spammer who's name escapes me right now (Balto? Something like that)
 
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Hylian7

Member
The M.O.B said:
You and your team didn't take advantage of their synergy with chrono. I watched the first 20 minutes of your game.

Your were getting safelane-esque farm on the bot lane (top net worth the first 10 minutes). However having pudge there was a net negative imo. FV needs levels like any hero in the offlane. The quicker to lvl 6, the quicker you can kill someone and get +400 gold easy.

The Maelstrom is an completely offense item which you didn't need. Your team will do the killing easily if you just land a few 2 or 3 man chronos. You landed a good one at around 15 minutes on the wisp and bounty hunter but your team didn't even get a tower out of it. Your team had like a perfect gank squad of bane+BS+pudge but elected to try and team fight when chrono was down? weird decisions
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Thanks Mob.

There were a of weird decisions in that game by myself and by the team. Pudge was not on the same page as the rest of our team, but we tried to play around it. I know there were times I kept pinging my Chrono cooldowns and saying over voice that I didn't have it, then they went in anyway.

Where exactly does your damage come from? Almost entirely from your teammates? I know it can't be just purely on praying to RNGesus for a bash. In that particular game I picked up Maelstrom because I thought I needed the attack speed and AoE from the lightning to actually have an impact damage wise.
 
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neurosisxeno

Member
Hylian7 said:
Where exactly does your damage come from? Almost entirely from your teammates? I know it can't be just purely on praying to RNGesus for a bash. In that particular game I picked up Maelstrom because I thought I needed the attack speed and AoE from the lightning to actually have an impact damage wise.
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Offlane Void doesn't build damage. You're a setup man. It's not uncommon to forego damage items for the first 20-30 minutes as an offlane Void. You go Treads->Vlad's->Blink and start working with your team. After that you can build something like Diffusal which gives you even more versatility, go for something like Hyper Stone for an AC build, or even start building into Crit. If you really want to and have enough ranged DPS rushing an Aghs can be pretty effective as well.

The simple fact is, Void isn't a huge damage dealer anymore. He's a hero that helps secure team fights by being a hard to kill menace. Between Time Dilation and Chronosphere, Void can really fuck up a team fight. I'd put him more in the realm of something like Clockwork in that regard. Stop treating Void as a carry that should be getting a lot of kills and dishing out a ton of damage.
 
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Cellbomber

Member
ksan said:
time to dodo again

are there any good heroes?


vg always had cash
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I don't think support is your thing but Disruptor seems to be a solid choice. Teams can't deal with the storm!

Underlord with a Luna nearby can see some huge damage spikes with his passive matched with her damage boost.
 
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