Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Put your back into it.

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Yeah, battle damage and visible injuries need to comeback.

If Goku was fully clean and had perfect clothes during his fight with Frieza it would've felt compeletely different. Imagine that. ugh...

I really wonder why they stopped doing that. It's not like they need Toriyama for it since it still happened in all of the movies and Dragonball stuff where he isn't involved.
 
Compromise: Gohan's training regimen after this tournament is trying to fight Piccolo using only his legs, while writing a thesis paper on his laptop.
 
Guys Goku hit Beerus a few times I think he's as strong as him

He was originally meant to be close to 70% of Beerus strength. They did away with that but still kept all the moments Beerus was seemingly struggling through the match. Usually you don't see someone heavily holding back behaving like Beerus did during that battle.
 
Could you imagine how strong gohan would be if he nonstop trained since the cell arc?
Probably well in front of Hit. Considering how fast he closed the gap on SSB

He was originally meant to be close to 70% of Beerus strength. They did away with that but still kept all the moments Beerus was seemingly struggling through the match. Usually you don't see someone heavily holding back behaving like Beerus did during that battle.
Yeah Beerus ended up using less than half.
 
Hopefully not. Toei have wanted him to be relevant for a while and after a year of Super he's gained main character status along with Goku. Toei in general seem to want to adjust with several characters including Goten and Trunks and it's really the right call since DB is making a lot of money and will be ongoing for the foreseeable future.



And let's be honest: If they can create a new Gohan form, it's going to make a shiton of money in Dokkan Battle :")
 
He'll make shit tons with his Super Ultimate form anyway. I do hope he gets something new though.



Yeah but not in a long time. Usually, characters that became irrelevant just won't get new relevant card. The last time Gohan was relevant in Dokkan Battle was with his Ultimate form. That is for it's adult counterpart of course. There's a reason why SSJ2 is the most relevant one, to the point it got a LR card.

If they want to make a shiton, they'll need a new form/new outfit.
 
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It's crazy to me that near the release of an episode that returned Gohan to form and possibly forever soured Tien's view in the eyes of many DB fans, we had a thread in OT about Gohan's fall from grace and another thread centered on Tien being the strongest earthling
 
I really wonder why they stopped doing that. It's not like they need Toriyama for it since it still happened in all of the movies and Dragonball stuff where he isn't involved.
I think Super us just more kid friendly and that ultimately hurts it.

Even the new movies are tame and rely on humor compared to Z stuff.

That or budget.
 
It's crazy to me that near the release of an episode that returned Gohan to form and possibly forever soured Tien's view in the eyes of many DB fans, we had a thread in OT about Gohan's fall from grace and another thread centered on Tien being the strongest earthling

Tien sucked since the King Piccolo arc, he has like two good moments after that
 
If they need to get another strong capable fighter and are even looking at people like Frizea they probably should think of getting Cell. He's got several men in him! NOT LIKE THAT. As such, he can definitely manage to get super crazy stronger and then some. Definitely should be able to get up to SSB and possibly beyond, if allowed. Be nice if he actually became an ally, something different and his snotty attitude would be worth a good few laughs with his banter.

Be much more realistic a choice than some.
 
If they need to get another strong capable fighter and are even looking at people like Frizea they probably should think of getting Cell. He's got several men in him! NOT LIKE THAT. As such, he can definitely manage to get super crazy stronger and then some. Definitely should be able to get up to SSB and possibly beyond, if allowed. Be nice if he actually became an ally, something different and his snotty attitude would be worth a good few laughs with his banter.

Be much more realistic a choice than some.

Just get Buu to split into multiple people and have them be all the non-Saiyan entrants.
 
I'd argue Gohan makes Goku look far worse than 17. 17 has a unique biology and took 13 years to get there.

Gohan is a saiyan that meditated for 5 hours and equaled what Goku just spent years achieving.

And he's came up with a new form in literally a single day. That's supposedly beyond Goku.

That makes Goku pass for a fool IMO.
 
I'd argue Gohan makes Goku look far worse than 17. 17 has a unique biology and took 13 years to get there.

Gohan is a saiyan that meditated for 5 hours and equaled what Goku just spent years achieving.

And he's came up with a new form in literally a single day. That's supposedly beyond Goku.

That makes Goku pass for a fool IMO.

TBF, Gohan had already achieved much higher "heights", even during the Cell Saga, than 17 was ever shown to achieve :P Hence it doesn't feel as awful (though the whole ">48h training = almost as strong a Goku" comes off just as cheap, yeah).
 
Hopefully not. Toei have wanted him to be relevant for a while and after a year of Super he's gained main character status along with Goku. Toei in general seem to want to adjust with several characters including Goten and Trunks and it's really the right call since DB is making a lot of money and will be ongoing for the foreseeable future.

Wouldn't call him main character status yet. And Gohan is going back to his book. We've seen EOZ and it's not being retcon.
 
It was punch for punch https://youtu.be/0WwtAcTljn4?t=177 Gohan and Goku seemed pretty equal and Goku looked pretty serious about it. Ima stand by that Mystic Gohan is very close to SSB Goku. Gohan should have been completely fucked by one punch otherwise.

It was two blows and barely an encounter. And Super Saiyan 2 Trunks too several blows from Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta and didn't die.

I'd argue Gohan makes Goku look far worse than 17. 17 has a unique biology and took 13 years to get there.

Gohan is a saiyan that meditated for 5 hours and equaled what Goku just spent years achieving.

And he's came up with a new form in literally a single day. That's supposedly beyond Goku.

That makes Goku pass for a fool IMO.

More like 17 has your unique bias that you're willing to handwave his power gain.

At least most of Gohan's power gain happened after getting rid of a mental block. And Gohan didn't come up with a new form is beyond Goku. He wasn't even shown as Goku's equal since Goku spent most of the fight using Super Saiyan 2.
 
Gohan's line about attaining a different form (from SS) has to mean something, right?

He said it was Ultimate. He wants Ultimate to scale him to new heights without changing forms every time, since new forms usually = taxing on the body.

And SSJ is a giveaway that he needs to be taken seriously, that he has a way of hiding his power. This episode Goku was surprised Gohan didn't go SSJ, in the ToP, one of the wolf fighters or U6 fighters could underestimate Gohan now, if he doesn't go SSJ, thinking he's not using his full power, or that he's so weak he doesn't have SSJ.
 
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