Yeah, gonna go with: that's stupid as fuck.
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Yeah, gonna go with: that's stupid as fuck.
Icyflamez96
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Everything is canon to itself.
You don't have to get all obnoxious about it.
The Silver
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Will he finally learn his lesson and not open up the Dead Zone a third time? Find out on the next episode
Mister Wolf
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Pretty sure the Dragon ball movies are elseworlds.
Edit: Didn't know he appeared in the TV series.
Icyflamez96
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Meh that actually makes things make more sense as opposed to the anime where Mai just survives that blast.
NeonZ
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Well, technically if Shueisha ever worked without Toei the only material they'd be able to use would be the content that's in the manga. Although that has been extremely rare through all these years, even with games (The only game I know that went straight with a manga license rather than the anime's was Jump Super/Ultimate Stars).
Garlic Jr. appeared in the main anime itself, not only his movie.
Garlic Jr. appeared in the main anime itself, not only his movie.
Undead Fantasy
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Honestly, the only thing I've found more interesting than the anime is Fused Zamasu's powers versus what he has in the anime. But even then, its shit we saw Janemba do in the Fusion Reborn movie with the portal punches and all.
ShironRedshift
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Except it really doesn't. It just replaces one set of questions (how Mai managed to survive when she really probably shouldn't have, plot convenience aside) with another (how this whole apprentice thing actually works and whether Zamasu and Black are apprentices or full-fledged Kais because between the past few chapters the manga seems to be trying to have it both ways). The manga remains a mess regardless.
Icyflamez96
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How is it trying to have it both ways?
There are pros and cons of both depictions but I easily give the manga version of the Trunks saga the edge when it comes to being more well explained and less asspully BS. The anime version has a lot more big issues on that front.
Ok..? You just said you couldn't tell if he was being sarcastic or not as if its absurd to seriously consider Mr Popo racist. That's called naivety, you must not have any idea about blackface and racist stereotypes in media because its sort of obvious. You don't have to take it personally. Just a little racism nbd you dont have to get all obnoxious about it bruh
LSauchelli
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Eh, the manga is pretty clear that Zamazu never became a full-fledged Kaioshin, he's like Kibito. It even explains that healing is a power apprentices have and they lose it once they become Kaioshin. Zamazu has the healing power, thus, he's not a Kaioshin.
Icyflamez96
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No, it was a combination of the fact that it's something that doesn't cross my mind with that particular character (and I explained why in that post), along with the way he typed/worded the post. There was really no reason to keep dragging it out like you're doing other than to be inflamatory. I mentioned that I read the following comment about the matter which is why I realized it was serious, but you chose to ignore that for some reason.
Icyflamez96
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Only reason the pacing seems worse is because it's monthly. It's not actually going through more content. It's still tighter than the anime if you're not factoring in the release schedule.
Just_myles
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Feeling the manga's take on power levels and boost. If trunks went rage mode in the manga I would allow it since he was an apprentice. That's what I call an explanation. The anime could learn a thing or two.
NeonZ
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Trunks being an apprentice Kaioshin could be used to give him a god mode of his own, by some unexpected mix with SSJ, but at this point I don't think the manga is going to do that since it seems far too late.
Although basically every chapter since they've returned to the future has had a new power up (SSG Vegeta with Blue bursts, Vegetto and now (almost) Mastered SSB Goku), so I guess it wouldn't be impossible...
Although basically every chapter since they've returned to the future has had a new power up (SSG Vegeta with Blue bursts, Vegetto and now (almost) Mastered SSB Goku), so I guess it wouldn't be impossible...
Icyflamez96
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Trunks could still have a rage boost transformation moment when things are about to go to real shit after Merged Zamasu unfuses. They could give a similar speech to Trunks as they did to him in the anime. That would be cool. It sort of seems like they're setting it up with Trunks bummed that he's useless and all, but maybe the only payoff to that was supposed to be the healing thing.
Or idk if they will end up actually unfusing. Not sure how they'd kill Zamasu if they did.
talisayNon
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my prediction:
7 wins.
goku wishes for all universes to be merged into 7
we now have new strong guys to fight/places to discover
7 wins.
goku wishes for all universes to be merged into 7
we now have new strong guys to fight/places to discover
I have a right to respond, I don't see the issue. It doesn't mean I'm trying to be inflammatory, I mean, what I read was "You don't have to get all obnoxious about it", I don't see how it's this complicated. I stated my opinion about a character in DBS and you responded, and then I responded. If I misunderstood you to not be as ignorant as you came off about Mr Popo, then I apologize. It seemed to me that you were being naive and relegating something serious to a potential absurdity, and so I stated as much. Am I wrong? I mean, you're sitting there saying it doesn't even cross your mind that Mr Popo is blackface because he's so otherworldly lol
I'm more excited for U3 personally. Their aesthetic is so cool.
Icyflamez96
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You have a right to respond, and I have a right to critize your response. You may not have been trying to be, but when you start throwing all of that "naive, don't know about stereotypes in media or blackface", when my post didn't indicate that all if you read all of it, it comes off as obnoxious. All my post was saying is it's not something I think about with Popo because of the reasons I gave, along with it not being a conversation I see brought up often.
I mean, what's even the point of your last sentence? You did nothing but restate what I said along with a "lol". That does nothing to move the discussion along in a meaningful way, which leaves it as just being obnoxious fluff.
Gohan: My goal is to achieve a power never seen before, a different way than you.
One episode later:
Elder Kai: Hey Goku, you want me to give you the power that makes Gohan different than you?
That comment could have been directed at the theory Goku was getting mystic, make it clear Goku wouldn't be getting it.
Toyotaro's style leaves a lot to be desired and is getting consistently worse as times goes on.
Icyflamez96
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I think his stuff at least from the Trunks saga consistently looks great tbh. It's also a thing I prefer over the anime.
Though some styles of the anime drawing I like better than Toyataro's general style, it just doesn't stay consistent enough.
I really like how he draws base Goku. Reminds me of Buu Saga stuff.
Or it's a hint that he is getting it 🤔
Though some styles of the anime drawing I like better than Toyataro's general style, it just doesn't stay consistent enough.
I really like how he draws base Goku. Reminds me of Buu Saga stuff.
Or it's a hint that he is getting it 🤔
Alright, well. You are being naive about the subject of the depiction of blackface (fact) and are taking it to be an insult that I responded that way, while also ironically being inflammatory in response. You tried to make it seem like to continue the conversation would mean I am trying to be inflammatory even though that's what you were doing. So you can take it to be obnoxious because I say "lol" and therefore categorically state that it comes off that way, and go on about why that's justified but I can't take you not taking the idea of Popo being racist seriously to be naive without me being inflammatory and dragging "this" out... it's all kind of ridiculous. Anyways, I think you are feeling cornered and standoffish and that's why you are taking me saying you're being naive (which by the way, is a best case scenario for this topic) to be fighting words so, if you want to discuss Mr Popo and why I think he should be retired as a character because its racist*, I am happy to do so, but there's no point if you are ready to dish out criticism but not receive it. And there's no point in going back and forth about how you don't like me being a smartass, either.
* - I am not being sarcastic
Edit: By the way, I said lol because it was funny. You are confessing to being naive while complaining about being called naive. Come on.
Mister Wolf
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Buu has finally been beat out for fighter way more dangerous than their appearance lets on. I was surprised that magical girl killed those two over a trivial matter. Killed them with love at that.
Hmm just read the latest chapter. I'll take the Kai healing abilities over the Super Saiyan transformation which puts Future Trunks on the same level as Super Saiyan Blue Goku. It makes Future Trunks useful without giving him a transformation which just looks like a cheap knock off the Legendary Super Saiyan transformation.
Since the manga didn't put Future Trunks on the same level as Goku power wise, I'm thinking the manga will end up fixing this arcs 'power levels' too.
Since the manga didn't put Future Trunks on the same level as Goku power wise, I'm thinking the manga will end up fixing this arcs 'power levels' too.
Icyflamez96
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I simply think it came off obnoxious because you went ahead to project those things onto me based off of you blatant disregard of the contents in my post, which didn't indicate any of what you said. The only fact in regards to what you were saying was I that was mostly unaware of the controversy of Popo in particular, but I am not generally ignorant of those things as you went on to claim, no.
I specifically said "like that" in regards to you carrying on the conversation. The fact that you carried it on on its own is no problem. The problem was how you chose to do it. I indicated that it was obnoxious because it was. (For the reasons I explai ed above) You're talking about me being standoffish when it was your post that came off like that in the first place.
Yes, I critized your restating of my post with a "lol" as being nothing but obnoxious fluff, because that's all it's there for. As I said, that does absolutely nothing to advance the conversation in any meaningful way. Alternatively, you could have offered an actual argument of some sort.
As I already explained, me initily not taking it seriously was just I don't see it brought up or think about it (which is what I said in that post). The only reason I mentioned that in my post in the first place was to get across how out of the loop I was on that particular issue.
No, there's definitely more nuance to it than that which you're not addressing. I saying I'm not generally ignorant of those things that you claimed I was in your initial response to me, which I'm not. I only said I was hardly aware of the controversy with that particular character. Also, your first sentence doesn't make the statement in question any less obnoxious fluff, for the reasons I stated above.
So Cabba is the short quiet professional of very early Vegeta.
Caulifla is the spiky haired brash asshole Goku.
And Kale is obvious the mute creepy weirdo Broly, I wonder what/who her irrational beef is. I hope it's just as petty and childish and ridiculous as a baby crying.
Speaking of I hope Goku tours a bunch of different villains personal hells and Broly's is a cocoon next to baby Kakkarot screaming.
Caulifla is the spiky haired brash asshole Goku.
And Kale is obvious the mute creepy weirdo Broly, I wonder what/who her irrational beef is. I hope it's just as petty and childish and ridiculous as a baby crying.
Speaking of I hope Goku tours a bunch of different villains personal hells and Broly's is a cocoon next to baby Kakkarot screaming.
ZeroTheShadow
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Full Power SSB is a bigger ass pull then anything in the anime. And people complained about SSR.
How is it an asspull?
What happened?
ZeroTheShadow
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So Goku this entire time could have easily handled Black and Zamas but he just didn't? He either always had this OD form that puts him on the level Potara Fusion or he magically learned it with no training while learning the mafuba. Either one makes it an epic asspull.
Well let me answer with another question :
What the fuck was Goku waiting for to use this ?
Icyflamez96
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People only complained about SSR before we actually saw it. I don't think any more than a miniscule amount of people still complain about it.
I thought full power SSB was a pretty hype moment in the manga, but for the record, I don't think any of the transformations in the Trunks Saga (manga or anime) were BS. I guess full power SSB isn't necessarily a transformation but still.
these don't make sense.
Icyflamez96
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He seemed confident he could beat Merged Zamasu without it before he got wrecked that last time. Otherwise it's a last resort thing as it wears on his body (I think they stated something like that). Sorta treated similarly (not same) to Kaioken in the anime.
Yeah, great point. It's not like Goku never did this before with other opponents (SS3) or could have stomped Black in his initial/second meeting in the anime if he went SSB+KK. Nor Black's random scythe weapon was an asspull.
Undead Fantasy
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Trolling?
Oh nvm, I haven't read the latest chapter. I thought we were talking about anime SSB and was confused.
I'm sorry, I have yet to read the latest chapter. Will come back after I do.
ZeroTheShadow
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Uhhh he and Vegeta LOST & he had to retreat. Where was full power SSB when that was happening?
Blackage
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Because it's seemingly unstable. You see his body is barely able to handle it in the last few pages of the manga.
The manga is pretty consistent with it's explanations. Red > Blue, but Red is a massive stamina drain they've been using Blue until they find a way to handle Red because Blue is easier to casually maintain and fight with and doesn't drain stamina or cause the exhaustion of transforming.
I think the best way to explain it in terms of complete mastery is that Goku has taken Blue to the samish level Goku & Gohan took SSJ1 before the Cell Games, but like 95-99% of the way there because it's not perfect hence the instability.
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