Hmm, surprised they didn't use the Japanese box art. They look pretty clean.
Time to start making some more shelf space on the Dragon Ball shelf...
Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Put your back into it.
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Hmm, surprised they didn't use the Japanese box art. They look pretty clean.
Time to start making some more shelf space on the Dragon Ball shelf...
Loved this pic because it has Vegeta's dad goatee and Trunks/Bra sibling bonding.
If dbz was an american 90s paperback novel
Just watched the episode, man that was so good on some nice levels this show needs more of. 17's character at this point is really cool and was defined nicely along with his motivations. And the next episode looks fucking cool as hell.
Love what they're going for here. I'm really digging that they're just not making 17 say "SHURE" and slap him into the group. They're really reintroducing him.
Fight was cool but the story stuff and what it's leading into is what rocked here.
Love what they're going for here. I'm really digging that they're just not making 17 say "SHURE" and slap him into the group. They're really reintroducing him.
Fight was cool but the story stuff and what it's leading into is what rocked here.
WhiskeyDiver
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Sometimes I like to look between the frames of Dragon Ball fights, and find instances where a character looks like another. Case in point is this still from the Goku Vs. Cell fight. Goku kinda has USSJ Trunk's hair style and pudgy looking face when he's in that form in various scenes. Of course the eyes, mouth and nose don't look like Goku's default appearance.
It's nothing big, but it's just a fun little thing I like to do. It's enjoyable to me at least. I'd rather do that than search for terribly bad looking animation frames.
It's nothing big, but it's just a fun little thing I like to do. It's enjoyable to me at least. I'd rather do that than search for terribly bad looking animation frames.
LordOfChaos
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Freiza worked out for 4 months and went shot for shot with godmode, albeit had a stamina flaw. Trunks got powerful because he had emotions.
17 on the other hand had over a decade of training, starting point well above freiza and genetically engineered for limitless stamina. In terms of bullshit powerups, he's literally the least bullshit. As an organic being he could still level up. And just because he worked in a park doesn't mean that was all the practice he had, he could practice solo all day and night if nothing else was going on.
And anyways, just like the Krillin fight, blue doesn't mean always going all out.
Just_myles
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Freeza point is well taken(as well as Trunks that makes no sense). I guess I accepted that because he is Freeza and a major monumental bad imo. I never felt 17 was on that level tbh. He had decent showing against a powered up Piccolo and future version that rekt a weaker one handed Gohan.
Yeah, I think that is what it is. I can accept him at level 2 and damn near ssj3. But at blue... I just can't.
18 rocked Vegeta's shit when he was Super Saiyan which at least equal to Frieza and Trunks who was able to easily beat Frieza and his dad couldn't even get 17 to use half of his power. Remember piccolo revived a huge boost from kami
Undead Fantasy
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Vegeta was much stronger than Freeza then.
Yeah true the point still stands 17 was way stronger than frieza
Just_myles
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I didn't mean in terms of power. 17 being the most recent sub-villain was much more of a threat than the previous. This is based on a jump manga.
I meant in terms of era and threat. Freeza was more of a traditional big bad than 17 and there was definitely a struggle in terms of defeating him. All it took for them to surpass 17 was to train for a year.
That's what I hate about comics. You can mention someone having "limitless" power/potential and use that as an excuse to exceed what is possible in the canon.
It's like every character in Dragonball is Batman.
I meant in terms of era and threat. Freeza was more of a traditional big bad than 17 and there was definitely a struggle in terms of defeating him. All it took for them to surpass 17 was to train for a year.
That's what I hate about comics. You can mention someone having "limitless" power/potential and use that as an excuse to exceed what is possible in the canon.
It's like every character in Dragonball is Batman.
Frieza was also 1000x stronger than the next strongest known guy in the universe (his subordinate Ginyu)
The gap between Frieza and the protagonists is probably second only to the gap between Beerus and the protagonists as far as DB conflicts go. (3rd largest gap is probably vegeta in the Saiyan saga, to be quite honest).
"I've been training with Arale in secret, now I have gag manga character power level"
Icyflamez96
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Not exactly subtle and no one on gaf brough it up
Basically, Goku is also training while recruiting...
YFW Uub is one of the kids 17 adopted.
I guess it is true pl discussion is the worst
The Silver
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Icyflamez96
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I've seen people bring it up with Krillin's.
Just_myles
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I hope to god that is the case.
Nah.
There's a lot of mental gymnastics going around with Blue's ki control when the answer is simple. Portrayal is king. 17 is clearly being portrayed as a SSB-tier fighter who himself was also holding back. Krillin is clearly not. This notion of Goku going to SSB only to artificially power down to a level at or below one of his weaker/base forms is so redundant and pointless that it only makes sense when you're in denial about how badly this show is written or trying to continue the Goku wank in your head.
Romars202129
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Man that 17 salts got some staying power... lol.
I dont care. My character is relevant again. Could care less why or how honestly.
I dont care. My character is relevant again. Could care less why or how honestly.
I want 17's wife to be Suno, so he can be friends with Android 8
(And then learn that 8 is also at blue level because he's been training in snowy mountains for 20+ years!)
this would be amazing
Pleas for the love of god let's beg them to include 14 episodes.
Just include different number of episodes for each box, complete "arcs" .... T.T
I want 17's wife to be Suno, so he can be friends with Android 8
(And then learn that 8 is also at blue level because he's been training in snowy mountains for 20+ years!)
Okay, I'm down with this.
Undead Fantasy
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This is the problem right here. If only Goku was confirmed to hold back then no one would have bitch about the episode (Yes, that includes me).
No, I said maybe his telepathy works like waves. He is sending his telepathic waves where people are.
18 is right next to Krilin, Bulma etc... so she is included in the telepathic wave.
If 17 was alone in a remote place, it's possible that he was not included in the wave.
He had more than enough time to fly out of the cave after being revived though.
If the earth exploded, he'd be very likely to actually peak outside to see if it's all back.
But he did. Remember in Super, he forgot the Buu saga. Yet he said he knew Goku's voice still. Which means he either heard it through Gero's archive, or heard it while he was within Cell.
The point remains, he never heard him during the "Buu saga" prior to the genkidama.
Which means he probably was not included in the Babidi transmissions. (Babidi should sue his provider, it has terrible coverage in this part of the galaxy !!!)
Because he has reflexes ? Anyway this is speculation. If you want to believe he got killed by the surprise genocide attack, fine by me. There's also the possibility he wasn't targeted at all. Or that he did dodge it and didn't think much of it.
I would appreciate if you could stop over simplifying his current state of mind.
An alien blob coming on earth to turn people into candy and ruin the world for his own satisfaction isn't exactly the same as "the end of times".
But you don't know what 17 was holding back.
Is it a new technique ? An absorption thing ? New speed ? Raw power ? A "form" ?
We don't know.
So it's kinda early to freak out just yet.
Romars202129
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I do hope the next episode will have some new info. Goku and 17 buddycopping some silly aliens sounds fun and all, but kinda more want the arc to move along.
If they're holding the 17 info back, rather get to Tien and Roshi asap.
If they're holding the 17 info back, rather get to Tien and Roshi asap.
I want 17's wife to be Suno, so he can be friends with Android 8
(And then learn that 8 is also at blue level because he's been training in snowy mountains for 20+ years!)
My brother and I were totally saying that he married Suno and 8er is one of their adopted children when we saw the episode.
I am going to be really surprised if they make up a new character for 17s wife. I'm betting it is Suno or Launch. Launch would be preferred though. Finding out Launch is with 17 will drive Tien to get a rage boost that makes Gohan and Trunks' look like nothing.
Interesting training arc for Goku, learning strategies instead of Raw power.
That being said, I still don't feel Goku in Super, it's missing some epic moments and even though it didn't bother me beofre, right now the mess that is the power ranking is annoying.
Blue feels weak as shit as it is used everytime against anybody and barely accomplish anything..
That being said, I still don't feel Goku in Super, it's missing some epic moments and even though it didn't bother me beofre, right now the mess that is the power ranking is annoying.
Blue feels weak as shit as it is used everytime against anybody and barely accomplish anything..
It was pretty hype in the exhibition match when he was winning with SSJ then decided to go Blue and slap a Kaioken on top of it to just completely make it clear that Goku was not a person to be fucked with. We got that with the U6 tournament too where Vegeta went Blue and one shotted Cabba. It just sucks how fucking inconsistent the writing is with the transformation. :/
Suburban Thug
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Yeah it basically feels like base super saiyan at this point.
ArchedThunder
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They'd have to change Uub's story for EoZ, he's from a poor village.
ArchedThunder
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He only pulls Blue out for a reason, he pulled it out against Bergamo because he wasn't supposed to hold back, he pulled it out against Toppo because he was getting wrecked, he pulled it out against Krillin because he needed to test him and he pulled it out against 17 because of how strong he was. He didn't use it against Buu in 85 or Gohan in 75.
EDIT:Whoops double post.
RocknRola
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I do agree with the notion that overusing Blue kinda reduces the impact it's supposed to have.
In the exibition match they absolutely nailed that impact, you had Gods AND the other warriors looking at it awe and Goku showing himself to be in a whole different level (vs his opponents) when he assumed that form.
On the other hand using it against Krillin and 17 (though more the former than the latter) kinda kills that "awe" effect, mostly because it's use amounted to nothing.
It kinda creates a sort of dissonance in the impact the show wants it to have when used against the "baddies" and how we actually look at it (when we see it used with no effect as mentioned above).
This could indeed signal a new form/transformation is coming (which the intro does seem to confirm) or it could just be the writers not knowing how to leverage it properly.
In the exibition match they absolutely nailed that impact, you had Gods AND the other warriors looking at it awe and Goku showing himself to be in a whole different level (vs his opponents) when he assumed that form.
On the other hand using it against Krillin and 17 (though more the former than the latter) kinda kills that "awe" effect, mostly because it's use amounted to nothing.
It kinda creates a sort of dissonance in the impact the show wants it to have when used against the "baddies" and how we actually look at it (when we see it used with no effect as mentioned above).
This could indeed signal a new form/transformation is coming (which the intro does seem to confirm) or it could just be the writers not knowing how to leverage it properly.
ArchedThunder
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V-Jump leaked
He probably put way too much force into it.
There's Toriyama art for a female saiyan that isn't Fembroly.
He probably put way too much force into it.
RocknRola
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He used too much strength.
I'm more concerned with how both Trunks and Goku ended up putting up a fight versus merged Zamasu, who had far more power than both -_- .
I'm curious if Fem!Broly's part of U11 since that one shot in the opening seemed to have everyone else from that universe. I'd imagine she'd still have origins in U6 or U7 though.
DiipuSurotu
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ArchedThunder
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Keep in mind that the shot with Hit and Magetta also had Basil, so those things might be a mix of universes.
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