Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Put your back into it.

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Slaythe said:
Of course, but there's a limit. if the ratings keep dropping it's not good. If it passes One Piece that's a big deal too.
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If merch sales don't drop it doesn't really matter. Anime generally survive entirely off of merch sales.
The ratings this arc haven't been bad, they've been pretty normal just without the highs, and it's still ranking higher than the vast majority of anime. Freeza just bumped it back up to ratings similar to what it was getting during the exhibition.
 
Romars202129 said:
To be honest, cyborgs sounds like a much more accurate description than artificial humans. Superhumans seems like the only correct description.
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This debate is dumb. First of all 17 and 18 are not the only Androids. 16, 19, Cell, and ALL the creations before are 100% Androids. Calling them Cyborg 18 and 17 makes no sense since there are no Cyborgs 1 through 16. Also the fact that they are Biologically enhanced humans is a retcon. That was made up after the fact so Krillin could get with 18. Just like how 17 and 18 were retcons of 19 and 20 who were ORIGINALLY before retcons BOTH 100% Androids.

Artificial Human will always be the best term to describe the bunch but overall Androids is better than Cyborg because it's more accurate to entirely of the creations.
 
They found out that 17 and 18 are biological when they were destroying the lab. It's not a retcon when it's still during the Android Saga and they had yet to show any evidence that they were mechanical beyond assuming that they were like the other Androids.
 
I thought that the Japanese term they used just mean "Mechanical Human", and it is somewhat ambiguous how to translate it.
 
L Thammy said:
They found out that 17 and 18 are biological when they were destroying the lab. It's not a retcon when it's still during the Android Saga and they had yet to show any evidence that they were mechanical beyond assuming that they were like the other Androids.
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Nope. There is zero mention of that there. Check the manga. Bulma finds it out later. That's AFTER the Cell retcon too. Again, if you don't know Cell, 17, and 18 didn't exist originally, they are on the fly retcons. 17 and 18 were only made biological to fit with Cell and so 18 and Krillin would be a thing.
 
ZeroTheShadow said:
This debate is dumb. First of all 17 and 18 are not the only Androids. 16, 19, Cell, and ALL the creations before are 100% Androids. Calling them Cyborg 18 and 17 makes no sense since there are no Cyborgs 1 through 16. Also the fact that they are Biologically enhanced humans is a retcon. That was made up after the fact so Krillin could get with 18. Just like how 17 and 18 were retcons of 19 and 20 who were ORIGINALLY before retcons BOTH 100% Androids.

Artificial Human will always be the best term to describe the bunch but overall Androids is better than Cyborg because it's more accurate to entirely of the creations.
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You realize that's dumb right ? It had nothing to do with Krilin, we already knew they were made from humans.

It was to explain how Cell, an organic being, could merge with them.

ZeroTheShadow said:
Nope. There is zero mention of that there. Check the manga. Bulma finds it out later. That's AFTER the Cell retcon too. Again, if you don't know Cell, 17, and 18 didn't exist originally, they are on the fly retcons. 17 and 18 were only made biological to fit with Cell and so 18 and Krillin would be a thing.
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17 mentioned his surprise at 16 being a robot and not like them in the very next chapter they were introduced though. Feel free to call that a retcon when it's within one chapter.
 
Slaythe said:
You realize that's dumb right ? It had nothing to do with Krilin, we already knew they were made from humans.

It was to explain how Cell, an organic being, could merge with them.
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You didn't read 2 posts above? Seriously?

You are 100% correct though. I was wrong. 17 does state they are human based. The statement also implies Cell was already in the works as of Chapter 351. Very interesting. Anyone know the original release schedule for chapters 348 to 351? That's a very short time to decided to make 17 and 18 not the main villains.
 
Sorry for bringing up this again but the leak that was saying
that Frieza betrays Goku and others and joins an other Universe
was confirmed fake right?
 
Laplasakos said:
Sorry for bringing up this again but the leak that was saying
that Frieza betrays Goku and others and joins an other Universe
was confirmed fake right?
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It's almost definitely fake. We'll know for sure in a bit when the Jump preview comes out.
That's part of why I don't want to go to sleep, I want to know for sure if the leak was fake or not.
 
ZeroTheShadow said:
This debate is dumb. First of all 17 and 18 are not the only Androids. 16, 19, Cell, and ALL the creations before are 100% Androids. Calling them Cyborg 18 and 17 makes no sense since there are no Cyborgs 1 through 16. Also the fact that they are Biologically enhanced humans is a retcon. That was made up after the fact so Krillin could get with 18. Just like how 17 and 18 were retcons of 19 and 20 who were ORIGINALLY before retcons BOTH 100% Androids.

Artificial Human will always be the best term to describe the bunch but overall Androids is better than Cyborg because it's more accurate to entirely of the creations.
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Toriyama can retcon his creation all he wants. They are not androids.
 
We spoiler tag everything that isn't official marketing / hasn't aired.

Are we expecting multiple episodes ? Or just one ?

Because if it's one I can tell you already it's just "the fighters prepare to go into the world of void". Yay.
 
Kagari said:
Exactly.

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/875244358273908738

96 Jump preview. Doesn't really say much of anything.
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I am God. GOD.
 
We're gonna be a solid 4 months in before the damn tournament starts lol At least the "getting the team ready" has been pretty cool & fun for the most part.
 
ZeroTheShadow said:
This debate is dumb. First of all 17 and 18 are not the only Androids. 16, 19, Cell, and ALL the creations before are 100% Androids. Calling them Cyborg 18 and 17 makes no sense since there are no Cyborgs 1 through 16. Also the fact that they are Biologically enhanced humans is a retcon. That was made up after the fact so Krillin could get with 18. Just like how 17 and 18 were retcons of 19 and 20 who were ORIGINALLY before retcons BOTH 100% Androids.

Artificial Human will always be the best term to describe the bunch but overall Androids is better than Cyborg because it's more accurate to entirely of the creations.
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My biggest problem with the artificial human line is I'm pretty sure thats the literal definition of android. So, android is fine with me
Or Andoroid...
 
That was a disappointing preview. The only interesting bit was the
God of Destruction are planning something, and Beerus has some type of plan..
 
What specific religions are hierarchy/role based akin to DB?

Wait I'm getting religion and mythology mixed up aren't I




Also, what is the explanation behind Freiza having his body in hell? I remember what they said about repenting, but what about the detail of only heroes having their body after death?
 
Icyflamez96 said:
What specific religions are hierarchy/role based akin to DB?

Wait I'm getting religion and mythology mixed up aren't I
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Dragonball's pantheon is original (aside from Yemma), but I believe it most closely resembles Shenism, the religion of Chinese ancestor worship. Not an expert (even as a mythology nerd it's one of my weak areas) but I'll tell you my understanding of it.

Because China is so fucking old, if you go down the list of rulers from the most recent to the oldest you eventually go from people to are clearly historical to people who are exaggerated by legend to people who are straight up mythical god-emperors. The Shenist idea has a god-emperor still ruling an imperial court in Heaven, and whoever is installed at a position at his court becomes a god and gains the powers appropriate to a god of that position.

The pantheon's called the Celestial Bureaucracy. I think there's even paperwork involved.

Similarly, the emperor of China is enstated by the heavenly court through the Mandate of Heaven. When heaven decides to pull their support, they cause disasters that incite revolt or bring in foreign invaders, and so the power is handed from one dynasty to another.

The gods in Dragonball are kind of a throwback to Journey to the West, where Sun Wukong went up to the heavenly court and fucked everyone up. He actually was appointed the stableboy - albeit with a really grandoise title so that he thought it was a great position - and so he has the godly power over horses that comes with it. Although we see that Goku's different than Wukong in that he's declined both Kami and Beerus' offers to take their positions because Goku thinks being a god would be boring.



Aside from that, the most hierarchical thing I can think of are the angels and demons of feudal Christianity. The idea is that the nobles are above the peasants, the king is above the nobles, and then God is above the king.

Angels are divided into nine classes, which are themselves divided into three choirs, each of which have different attributes are duties. Demons also divide themselves into kingdoms, which have nobles and armies like earthly ones.

I don't think it's as similar, because as far as I know, it's supposed to be very static. You don't have angels' powers shifting because they change their job.
 
L Thammy said:
Dragonball's pantheon is original (aside from Yemma), but I believe it most closely resembles Shenism, the religion of Chinese ancestor worship. Not an expert (even as a mythology nerd it's one of my weak areas) but I'll tell you my understanding of it.

Because China is so fucking old, if you go down the list of rulers from the most recent to the oldest you eventually go from people to are clearly historical to people who are exaggerated by legend to people who are straight up mythical god-emperors. The Shenist idea has a god-emperor still ruling an imperial court in Heaven, and whoever is installed at a position at his court becomes a god and gains the powers appropriate to a god of that position.

The pantheon's called the Celestial Bureaucracy. I think there's even paperwork involved.

Similarly, the emperor of China is enstated by the heavenly court through the Mandate of Heaven. When heaven decides to pull their support, they cause disasters that incite revolt or bring in foreign invaders, and so the power is handed from one dynasty to another.

The gods in Dragonball are kind of a throwback to Journey to the West, where Sun Wukong went up to the heavenly court and fucked everyone up. He actually was appointed the stableboy - albeit with a really grandoise title so that he thought it was a great position - and so he has the godly power over horses that comes with it. Although we see that Goku's different than Wukong in that he's declined both Kami and Beerus' offers to take their positions because Goku thinks being a god would be boring.



Aside from that, the most hierarchical thing I can think of are the angels and demons of feudal Christianity. The idea is that the nobles are above the peasants, the king is above the nobles, and then God is above the king.

Angels are divided into nine classes, which are themselves divided into three choirs, each of which have different attributes are duties. Demons also divide themselves into kingdoms, which have nobles and armies like earthly ones.

I don't think it's as similar, because as far as I know, it's supposed to be very static. You don't have angels' powers shifting because they change their job.
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Ah the one who is a big fan of Zamasu
the one true god
would be the person who responds to this inquiry. Thank you for the informative post.
 
ArchedThunder said:
It's almost definitely fake. We'll know for sure in a bit when the Jump preview comes out.
That's part of why I don't want to go to sleep, I want to know for sure if the leak was fake or not.
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Undead Fantasy said:
Yes.
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Okay, cool. I would be really disappointed if
they brought back Frieza only to do the obvious stupid move and betray them
, let alone the fact that i am still mad about what they did with Buu.
 
Laplasakos said:
Okay, cool. I would be really disappointed if
they brought back Frieza only to do the obvious stupid move and betray them
, let alone the fact that i am still mad about what they did with Buu.
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Yeah, now he's going to be everyone's friend and marry pan.
He's gonna betray, he's Frieza. Just now its going to be during the tourney instead of before.
 
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