NeonZ
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17 kept up with Goku SSB, while Piccolo is weaker than Ultimate Gohan.
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17 kept up with Goku SSB, while Piccolo is weaker than Ultimate Gohan.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Woo, level 4 now. Now I have a cool ki ball.
Mister Wolf
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I felt like Goku was humoring 17 gauging his strength just like Beerus did to Goku. Basically I don't think Goku was giving his full effort. Didn't 17 kind of allude to that. Gohan vs Piccolo was them going all out.
I finally got one too.
I feel like I've been doing really bad at this incredibly simple game.
Icyflamez96
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what are these videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWd-YLhmisU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u3UY3KngJw&t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u3UY3KngJw&t
TheRealTalker
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GINTAMA GREATNESS
Undead Fantasy
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To be really fair we can't be sure about this since both of them were not giving their all. The only thing we now for sure is that 17 is stronger than SSJ Goku.
*Waiting for Slaythe to scream at me.
I suppose it depends on your attitude to filler. My thoughts:
68: Premise is okay, but forgettable.
69: Dr. Slump crossover, you need to take it as such.
70: WATCH THIS ONE
71-72: Pretty cool. Wish it was an arc, really.
73-74: what the fuck is this
75-76: Kind of necessary to prepare Krillin for the Universe Survival arc, but the Universe Survival arc does that anyway.
68: Premise is okay, but forgettable.
69: Dr. Slump crossover, you need to take it as such.
70: WATCH THIS ONE
71-72: Pretty cool. Wish it was an arc, really.
73-74: what the fuck is this
75-76: Kind of necessary to prepare Krillin for the Universe Survival arc, but the Universe Survival arc does that anyway.
Watch them. They're not filler.
should I skip those filler ones or they worth watching?
It's not like Dragonball has some intense and complex narrative that makes the stand alone episodes worthless. Most of the appeal of the show comes from the character interactions, the comedy and the action and those episodes have plenty of that. You are skipping some of the best dragonball related stuff by skipping those episodes
Diablohead
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75-76 are important, sort of. maybe.
Buddy Mcpuddy
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Ugh.
That list is rubbish, Super by virtue of its production doesn't have filler, it isn't an adaptation of an original work, it is the original work. If an episode bores you, skip it.
Super may not have filler in the typical sense, but it's pretty clear that some episodes exist to serve as padding to give the animators and writers to more time to work more on the upcoming major arc. They essentially serve the same role as filler does in anime adaptations of manga.
You guys need to put a little bit of common sense in your heads if you think those chapters are not filler. There's all this set in stone definition that it has to be something that is not in the source material to be considered filler, but Super has no source material, it is what it is.
Those chapters have absolutely nothing to do with the Arcs and they exists solely to fill in the voids between each of them without necessarily building anything that will be important for the next one. They are fillers, they are there just to waste time, period (yes even the Krilin one, his development came in a proper episode in the current arc).
The Hit episode was interesting and the baseball one is hilarious, all the rest are trash and don't deserve 20m of anyone's life.
Those chapters have absolutely nothing to do with the Arcs and they exists solely to fill in the voids between each of them without necessarily building anything that will be important for the next one. They are fillers, they are there just to waste time, period (yes even the Krilin one, his development came in a proper episode in the current arc).
The Hit episode was interesting and the baseball one is hilarious, all the rest are trash and don't deserve 20m of anyone's life.
Buddy Mcpuddy
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I'm not making a qualitative statement on the episodes themselves but just because an episode doesn't directly contribute to the overarching story it is not precluded from being canonical.
Undead Fantasy
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Agreed. The show has no filler.
I can agree with this, so to prevent further heated discussion on the matter,let me just say these specific episodes are not necessary to watch if someone wants to understand what is going on right now. Being bad or good will always comes down to preference so if anyone wants to find out they are welcome to do so.
Buddy Mcpuddy
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Nope.
Define "canonical".
In what capacity am I wrong? Are you telling me that, for example, Tom Bombadil from the Lord of the Rings books (which GAF had a recent topic somewhat about) isn't entirely pointless to the bigger story? There are tons of media that have filler in it.
I actively dislike that website in general.
Icyflamez96
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This is the only episode I see as non canon.This sure is canon. It's still broken, btw.
Baby Vegeta is canon for you? That was dumber than Arale.
IMO
An author can fill his work with unnecessary things to extend its length without it making any sense nor having any relevancy to the plot.
Indeed whatever they filled in there is part of the original work, no one can debate that. Whether you want to call what they filled ''filler'' or ''canon'', well, that's up to you guys.
I think the word filler is appropriate for things that were filled just to have more time for the proper plot to be ready ¯_(ツ
_/¯bennywhatever
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I don't think it matters if it's filler or not, as long as you watch Episode 70.
Crimson_Echidna
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Goku also alluded that he knew 17 was holding back too.
Buddy Mcpuddy
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Insofar as Super is concerned, an episode of the show. What its relationship is to the original manga and anime is isn't really worth considering as Toei and Shueisha certainly didn't.
Of course it's completely pointless, but that's subjective, what we may view as meandering and irrelevant the author may consider to be integral to the story and setting. I'm not saying the episodes are good or contribute to some grand narrative tapestry, I'm just saying we can't label them a particular way.
That's the first sensible thing you've said on this matter, why would I scream at you.
I agree with what you said.
But using all the hints and interviews + marketing, 17 is probably up there. That being said, it might have to do with a hidden ability more than raw power.
If that is the case, then what do you consider filler to be exactly? Filler in DBZ has writers just as much as anything else does. What makes it so different by your definition other than they aren't directly written by Akira Toriyama? I could use your argument to support the very existence of what people actually call filler in the first place.
Of course what people consider filler or not is subjective. The problem is that the anime community over the years has been misusing the terms for over a decade now. Originally, the term "filler" comes from TV series (non-anime) where episodes are made that have little to not significance to anything (characters, story, whatever) and has been around for ages. The anime fandom twisted the term "filler" to exclusively mean "anime-only content" instead.
Hell if you want to argue story significance, DBZ actually has lore in it's actual "filler" that was never in the original manga, while the original manga itself has a lot of stuff in it that has little to no significance to anything.
Icyflamez96
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What?
I'm not sure I understand your point with the bolded. Who was arguing any of this? As for your your last sentence, thanks for your permission, I guess?
Filler = non canon to me in this context, for all (my) intents and purposes.
The Last One
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should I skip those filler ones or they worth watching?
Is this a website where people list filler and canon episodes?
I would like a link if so.
Those episodes in between Goku Black and Universal Survival were absolutely not filler. They were building up the return of Gohan and Kuririn. Other than the Arale and Baseball gag episodes we learned some stuff from them: Bulma has lost the blue prints/any means of making a time machine in this time line; Gohan and Kuririn's spirit returning, Hit's techniques are evolving. This isn't DBZ or Naruto where there's source material to stray away from, what you see if what you get; the current manga doesn't dictate the story. They are worth a watch (plus the humour is kinda spot on these days, so they are funny too).
That's indeed such website.
Now here's the problem, there is no "filler" in DBS.
They call slice of life episodes "filler" while some of them feature character development. And while there have been some useless episodes, they're a minority.
AlimNassor
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baseball Episode still remains the GOAT. Yamcha winning one for the team at last.
Icyflamez96
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That whole subplot was beyond unrealistic.
I didn't like any of those episodes, but what is so "unrealistic" about them?
The Arale episode is objectively "dumber" when it comes to fitting in with the continuity of Super. I don't even see how it's a comparison really. I don't like that arc but it's not somehow "unrealistic" in the realm of DB.
I thought I remember copy Vegeta being referenced at the beginning of the Black arc too but I could be wrong.
Yep. This ain't Naruto, where such a guide is a necessity lol.
It's god send for Shippuden! I will give it that.
Mister Wolf
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So their sparring wasn't definitive of anything. I see no basis to think 17 would fare any better against ultimate Gohan fighting serious than Piccolo.
NeonZ
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Yeah, it is. There are lists for many series too. It's based on fan contributions like a wiki though, so there might be mistakes.
http://www.animefillerlist.com/
It's kind of odd to see Dragonball Super there though, since the site is clearly focused on the idea of "filler = content that isn't in the source".
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