Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Put your back into it.

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Even if Toyo did say that (which I don't doubt he did), it really doesn't say anything we don't already know. They've been easing into End of Z since Pan was born.

And we got Uub namedrops twice, plus Bulla has just been born. We'll get to EoZ in due time.
 
End of Z was literally just "and then more adventures happened". It's 100% open to continuation.

And they're fixing the problem of the cast being too old to continue.
The only people that really need development between now and then are Vegeta, Goten, and Trunks. None of them are like their EoZ selves.
 
And they're fixing the problem of the cast being too old to continue.
The only people that really need development between now and then are Vegeta, Goten, and Trunks. None of them are like their EoZ selves.

Goten and Trunks I agree with, but did you see Vegeta's arrogant grin when he put on Bra's diaper? He's becoming dadlier with every passing arc. We should be worrying that he might grow a moustache.
 
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Goten and Trunks I agree with, but did you see Vegeta's arrogant grin when he put on Bra's diaper? He's becoming dadlier with every passing arc. We should be worrying that he might grow a moustache.

He's on his way, more so then Goten and Trunks, but I still don't think he's there yet. Either way, we need this park ranger escapade to turn into an arc that grows Goten and Trunks characters, or they need a good mini arc after the ToP.
 
He's on his way, more so then Goten and Trunks, but I still don't think he's there yet. Either way, we need this park ranger escapade to turn into an arc that grows Goten and Trunks characters, or they need a good mini arc after the ToP.
No worries they'll have to face whatever 17 was for yrs. they'll be above SSB by the time everyone gets back
 
So I'm guessing this means they are preparing to end Super soon huh?

Guess we'll hear something once the Universe Survival arc is over. shame though I wanted Super to have lasted just as long as Z did.

Highly doubt it's the last arc, otherwise they would have advertised it as such. Doesn't say anything that we haven't discussed before. If anything there will be a new series that takes place post EoZ.

They've alluded to so much post EoZ like Uub and Goku wanting Pan to go SSJ. Dragonball will no doubt continue, wether it's called Super or something else.
 
Really think it's incredible how Toyotaro, or how he used to be called Toyble, was chosen to be the sucessor to Toriyama. I was a fan of his Dragonball AF manga is I'm really proud seeing his doing the official work.
 
I think the main reason I want to see Trunks grown up is that it brings things full circle, to a moment that's parallel with the future F. Trunks wanted to change. Seeing him look and sound the same in EoZ was really satisfying because of that.

I even smile when I think that we're in the alternate version of the History of Trunks era right now.
 
I just want something new with Goten and Trunks Trunks has some development, but they alternate between that development and the old Trunks.

I'm tired of the gimmick of another kid Goku, and tiny toons Trunks. Make them grow into their own characters, not shadows of Goku and Future Trunks.
 
I doubt it, otherwise Gohan should of had a easier time transforming. He was training with his dad for three years and never ascended. And Vegeta never got Super Saiyan 3. Vegeta caught up because of Whis and it took six months.

Trunks and Goten are inherently more powerful. Without really trying they surpassed all the Saiyans, including Gohan who worked his butt off. Goten and Trunks didn't get teach until the Buu Saga and everyone was shocked by how powerful they were. They didn't follow anyone.



He got major hype during the Buu Saga. Remember how that ended.

My theory about Goten and Trunks has always been super Saiyan sperm.

We know with Goten at least that Goku was walking around permanently as a SSJ when they conceived. Who knows with Vegeta.
 
toyotaro is so bad that he probably argues power levels and canon at the same time
and his favourite character is probably 17

Actually Toyotaro has nothing to do with 17.

The current producer asked Toriyama where they could take 17, and his answer was that 17's potential was huge and wasn't exploited in the original story.

Toyotaro's fav is clearly Broly, if you've followed his history.
 
Super Saiyan Goku is far stronger than ultimate Gohan currently.

Gohan is getting another power up soon.

So yeah that's your basis.

What is this based on? Base copy Vegeta destroying Gotenks? Because the Goku vs. Gohan fight where they go toe-to-toe in super saiyan forms is newer than that. Trunks also forced out SSJ3 from Goku. We haven't seen godlike strong base/SSJ 1-3 forms since RoF, which leads me to believe it's been retconned out as a result of writers changing their priorities/minds on Goku/Vegeta's powers. One obvious reason to nerf base forms would be to make SSJ1-3 relevant again since they are so iconic to the franchise.

I choose to defer to newer portrayals over arguing for complex "two-base" theories or the dumb inefficient idea of transforming to SSJ forms only to supposedly power down to below base levels for no reason.
 
What is this based on? Base copy Vegeta destroying Gotenks? Because the Goku vs. Gohan fight where they go toe-to-toe in super saiyan forms is newer than that. Trunks also forced out SSJ3 from Goku. We haven't seen godlike strong base/SSJ 1-3 forms since RoF, which leads me to believe it's been retconned out as a result of writers changing their priorities/minds on Goku/Vegeta's powers. One obvious reason to nerf base forms would be to make SSJ1-3 relevant again since they are so iconic to the franchise.

I choose to defer to newer portrayals over arguing for complex "two-base" theories or the dumb inefficient idea of transforming to SSJ forms only to supposedly power down to below base levels for no reason.

I'm gonna let HeroR answer you, he got this.
 
I hope when they get to the End of Z episodes they switch back to We Gotta Power for the OP and reanimate it adding the new Super characters.
 
I hope when they get to the End of Z episodes they switch back to We Gotta Power for the OP and reanimate it adding the new Super characters.
As much as I love the new OP, this would hit me in the feels.

Even better would be switching to Dan Dan from GT, but that's never gonna happen. They could get DEEN though. Maybe. If they're still around
 
As much as I love the new OP, this would hit me in the feels.

Even better would be switching to Dan Dan from GT, but that's never gonna happen. They could get DEEN though. Maybe. If they're still around

Sol what happened ?

You went from cool guy to "guy that wants the worst things I've ever read about DBZ" in like a day. "Everybody should wish to be saiyans" "they should get Dan Dan as OP in Super for End of Z".

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Sol what happened ?

You went from cool guy to "guy that wants the worst things I've ever read about DBZ" in like a day. "Everybody should wish to be saiyans" "they should get Dan Dan as OP in Super for End of Z".

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You seriously don't like Dan Dan? Whaaaaaaaaaaat

I retracted my Saiyan statement, I realized it wasn't what I wanted as much as I wanted people's potentials to increase
 
I hope when they get to the End of Z episodes they switch back to We Gotta Power for the OP and reanimate it adding the new Super characters.
I'd be Ok with this. But I think it's 100% impossible for Toei to use We Gotta Power now, unless they strike another deal.
 
You seriously don't like Dan Dan? Whaaaaaaaaaaat

I retracted my Saiyan statement, I realized it wasn't what I wanted as much as I wanted people's potentials to increase

Dan Dan is great, but what the hell would it be doing in Super ?

End of Z and GT are separated by 5 years . On top of that, it would obviously send the message "hey guys, your beloved GT is happening !!!".

Like that's cool and all, but are they gonna offer all DBS viewers a vomit bucket too or would we have to invest in one ?

The fuck?

Dan Dan is the one good thing about GT.

Yeah and ?

And all the ED are pretty good too, for the record.
 
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So going by the ages of the human characters, this is probably the last time they will be in their prime and actually be active as fighters, since everyone is nearing 50, ofcourse they can still look pretty good in their 50s but sooner or later some winkles and grey hair is gonna show.
 
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So going by the ages of the human characters, this is probably the last time they will be in their prime and actually be active as fighters, since everyone is nearing 50, ofcourse they can still look pretty good in their 50s but sooner or later some winkles and grey hair is gonna show.

Yiiiikes 17 and 18 are almost 50 years old ?

Holy shit, Gero must have been experimenting on them for years after abducting them.

Also, I could see Tien having more longevity than typical humans as he is Kame senin's true heir with the school and all.

As for Krilin, since his wife ages slowly, he could simply wish to be a bit younger to shenron.

also, Vegeta is a lot older due to all the trips within the HTC. Goku is a lot younger because he was dead thus stopped aging. But he also had a few trips within the HTC so maybe by now it has sort of evened out.
 
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So going by the ages of the human characters, this is probably the last time they will be in their prime and actually be active as fighters, since everyone is nearing 50, ofcourse they can still look pretty good in their 50s but sooner or later some winkles and grey hair is gonna show.
The only ones that have to worry about is Krillin and Tien
 
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So going by the ages of the human characters, this is probably the last time they will be in their prime and actually be active as fighters, since everyone is nearing 50, ofcourse they can still look pretty good in their 50s but sooner or later some winkles and grey hair is gonna show.

Where did this person get the ages for 17 and 18? I've always been under the assumption that they are much younger than that.
 
Yeah, I never got the statement about the cast being too old at the end of Z. Especially since it came at a time where the focus was mainly on Goku and Vegeta, two characters that barely age.
 
I don't think those ages take time chamber years into account or the total of 8 years that Goku has spent dead either. I'm pretty sure Goku is physically under 40 while Vegeta is over 50.
 
Yeah. That image is just fan speculation for characters like the androids who were never given official ages. Possibly others who may not have been given an official age.
 
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