TheSpoiler
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Yo why are people complaining. We fucking NEED the filler. I don't them to show up and say OH LOOK IM SSB STRONG NOW LEL, That's dumb.
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ArchedThunder
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To an extent I think it's filler, filler in the sense that I think they are filling time for the purpose of allowing more time for the production of the main meat of the arc. They are just using time that they are filling to do character development instead of just wasting it.
Saying it's okay in DB because it was the 80's seems just as bad as saying it's perfectly fine now.
I don't care when it happened, if it's bothers me it bothers me in a show that happened 30 years ago, I don't care if it's a different time, that's not an excuse either.
I don't care when it happened, if it's bothers me it bothers me in a show that happened 30 years ago, I don't care if it's a different time, that's not an excuse either.
People like action and hate character development, like Krillin getting over his fear of powerful enemies, which was a big plot point in Z and Super prior to this.
After EoZ, they'll make Goten Roshi's sidekick.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Goten was flawless design wise In gt and end of Z. Idk what's going on now
NoctisVsStar
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Animation looked pretty good last ep, I hope once the tourney starts they don't half ass it
Him and Trunks got smaller lol
NeonZ
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It's official. "Universe Survival Recruitment arc", it follows up on the "Universal Survival Opening" arc, which was the equivalent to the recruitment episodes we're getting right now.
And it's advertised as an anime collaboration. But it could still be just gameplay filler to throw in a bunch of battles with old enemies and a new Space Survival related story before the tournament proper starts.
RareFantasy64
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It's official.
And it's advertised as an anime collaboration. But it could still be just gameplay filler to throw in a bunch of battles with old enemies and a new Space Survival related story before the tournament proper starts.
Frieza confirmed?
ArchedThunder
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I will repeat, that hell mission in heroes was announced long before the recent rumor.
Host Samurai
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I want a Hell/afterlife arc
I suppose but it's still better than these guys showing up randomly with a bunch of powerups.
He's slowly fading into the void as people forget about him.
Maybe he'll get one good dedicated episode before the series is over.
Admiral Woofington
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I just want an episode where Goten stands up against Chi Chi.
I mean Gohan was never super into fighting, but Goten seems to like it and wants to spend time with his dad and training.
I want an episode Goten tells her that he can still study and spend time training with pop pop.
I mean Gohan was never super into fighting, but Goten seems to like it and wants to spend time with his dad and training.
I want an episode Goten tells her that he can still study and spend time training with pop pop.
But it's exactly what they're doing.
"Oh cool random saiyans we never heard of, now they're gonna be a threat somehow even though Cabba was supposed to be the strongest and he sucked balls"
"Oh nice 17, long time no s-... Oh on blue level, sure"
"Oh cool, Gohan's getting mystic form back ! Wonder how strong he'll b-... Stronger than Goku, of course"
I don't mind at all those characters being strong obviously, but I can't say they're using the time they had the best way possible. Like they still ended up taking the absolute worst shortcuts to get the people they wanted as strong as they needed them to be.
"Oh cool random saiyans we never heard of, now they're gonna be a threat somehow even though Cabba was supposed to be the strongest and he sucked balls"
"Oh nice 17, long time no s-... Oh on blue level, sure"
"Oh cool, Gohan's getting mystic form back ! Wonder how strong he'll b-... Stronger than Goku, of course"
I don't mind at all those characters being strong obviously, but I can't say they're using the time they had the best way possible. Like they still ended up taking the absolute worst shortcuts to get the people they wanted as strong as they needed them to be.
Yep, it'd be weird to see them powered up all of a sudden, and if it means that they get to work more on the action and climax of the arc, then that is completely fine by me.
Admiral Woofington
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Have Beerus and Whis train people individually in the time chamber.
edit: oh wait 2 people limit, only a couple of days. nvm.
Undead Fantasy
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What the hell are you doing watching episode 90 with your crystal ball?
Go see episode 93 and see if Freeza is in it.
NoctisVsStar
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I'm much more perplexed krillin and a few others haven't bothered using the time chamber.
Make Gogeta canon please.
BladeoftheImmortal
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Finally. Can't wait for the English translation.
You know it's coming.
Blackleg-sanji1
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I'd faint,wake up post goten gifs in here,draw goten as ssg(I can't draw be mindful) and post it
I like that they are taking their time with the recruitment - it makes for a lot of strong character development. The recent Krillin episodes have been some of the bast Dragon Ball episodes, period. My main issues are the time crunch (it should've been a month) and the WILD power level fluctuations. Individual episodes have been weak but overall there are doing well thematically.
Speaking of weak episodes though, like the second 17 recruitment episode, was I the only one who was struck that 17 was willing to sacrifice himself for some animals even though he has a family? That struck me as too much. Also SMH when they teleported that poacher to King Kai's planet and had the most casual of chats while the spaceship with the animals was decompressing and falling apart in space.
Speaking of weak episodes though, like the second 17 recruitment episode, was I the only one who was struck that 17 was willing to sacrifice himself for some animals even though he has a family? That struck me as too much. Also SMH when they teleported that poacher to King Kai's planet and had the most casual of chats while the spaceship with the animals was decompressing and falling apart in space.
But that did happen.
Goten left with Goku afterwards and then he trained with Trunks !
ArchedThunder
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For whatever reason this made me think about how Heroes has been pretty conservative when it comes to using Super stuff for their crazy shit. They gave Super Saiyan God to the Saiyan avatars and that's it, no Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Vegeta in their F outfits, no Blue Gogeta, etc., I wonder if they have a restriction put on them for that kind of stuff.
At the same time Dragon Ball Fusions featured SSJ3 Goku and Vegeta in their F outfits.
Maybe he thought he'd get revived by the dragon balls again.
The space ship has great technology, it closes the doors shut if there's a breach.
The Silver
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well that's still kinda what they're doing, they gave character development to Krillin but they aren't really doing anything to explain the actual power ups. Gohan's the only one that got an episode actually dedicated to him powering up but then it was like.....he didn't do anything special to power up so fast in one day that he might end up surpassing Goku.
Admiral Woofington
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but that was sneaking away from her. Not standing up. Poor Goten just wants to have fun.
Yeah I don't blame anyone not wanting to spend a year of their life in that hellhole lol
Blackleg-sanji1
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They snuck away. Stand up to this woman that for after all these years come to the realization she needs her boys smart and strong! Education won't get them anywhere if they're dead grow a pair goku
He got to where he was in Z, which puts him somewhere between ssj3 and Blue. If his Ultimate form started out closer to Blue than ssj3 then it's not unthinkable.
I am absolutely loving the Yamcha spin-off. Reading the line "It's over TEN THOUSAAAAND!" had me in stitches. Really looking forward to see where it goes from here, especially since everything after this point is where Yamcha basically disappears from relevance.
Also, as far as the power-ups in Super go, I can only echo what was said earlier about the execution feeling off. They don't seem to do a very good job of justifying the power-ups, and the line "They were training in secret!" is quickly becoming something of a meme at this point. It's not, well, entirely out-of-line for quite a few characters, but there is something wholly unsatisfying about never seeing any of that training happening on-screen.
They could use with a bit more elaboration, really. Gohan I'm willing to handwave because he's literally just regaining his former power. It's everything past that that comes into question. If he can actually surpass his former self in less than a day's training... that really does put a lot of things into question, doesn't it?
We'll see how things go next episode, I suppose. I'm not getting my hopes up, however.
Honestly, I'm not really interested in arguing the fine details. I just straight-up think it's a bad and poorly done episode, and the mere premise of it should've had it sent back to the drawing board. If someone thinks I'm overreacting by stating my distaste then ¯\_(ツ
_/¯.
Trying to contextualize it makes no difference to me. I'm sorry, but all of that effort is wasted on me. Understanding where folks are coming from doesn't really change how poorly it comes across - if anything, it just makes me feel worse about the general state of humanity (as opposed to just, y'know, the state of the writer(s) that worked on this episode). Not a good look, y'know?
Also, as far as the power-ups in Super go, I can only echo what was said earlier about the execution feeling off. They don't seem to do a very good job of justifying the power-ups, and the line "They were training in secret!" is quickly becoming something of a meme at this point. It's not, well, entirely out-of-line for quite a few characters, but there is something wholly unsatisfying about never seeing any of that training happening on-screen.
They could use with a bit more elaboration, really. Gohan I'm willing to handwave because he's literally just regaining his former power. It's everything past that that comes into question. If he can actually surpass his former self in less than a day's training... that really does put a lot of things into question, doesn't it?
We'll see how things go next episode, I suppose. I'm not getting my hopes up, however.
Thanks for this.
Honestly, I'm not really interested in arguing the fine details. I just straight-up think it's a bad and poorly done episode, and the mere premise of it should've had it sent back to the drawing board. If someone thinks I'm overreacting by stating my distaste then ¯\_(ツ
_/¯. Trying to contextualize it makes no difference to me. I'm sorry, but all of that effort is wasted on me. Understanding where folks are coming from doesn't really change how poorly it comes across - if anything, it just makes me feel worse about the general state of humanity (as opposed to just, y'know, the state of the writer(s) that worked on this episode). Not a good look, y'know?
Undead Fantasy
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The Silver
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Super's Base Goku > Z's SSJ3 Goku
Getting to where he was in Z still leaves a massive massive gap to reach SSB, what has to have happened is that Gohan before getting mystic back must have already been far far stronger than his old Z Mystic self thanks his to training off screen after Frieza. Eh actually I don't really care that much, it's whatever.
As has been pointed out before, Gohan fought pretty evenly with Goku the last time they sparred (he even got in the match's only solid hit).
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
It makes sense, they can give the characters those forms in the show.
The Silver
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yes I know, you said he got to where he was in Z, fighting on par with SSJ Goku in Super is not where he was in Z, that's orders of magnitude stronger.
BladeoftheImmortal
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Man, I'd totally do it. Could go from fat to hunk in a day. And I'd probably live longer since I'd be in better shape than I am now.
I figure it's worth pointing out that talking strictly as far as the manga's concerned, we haven't had Roshi act this bad since the Red Ribbon arc.
True.
Right. That adds to the "harmless" look whether it was done now or back in the original DB.
And to add on, Roshi scenes back in the original DB usually did have more effort.
Roshi getting Launch to wear the fanservice costume is balanced by them all wearing the outfit to do so and them then getting filled with lead.
Roshi trying to peep on Bulma using the bathroom is followed up by her already being done by the time he gets there and then falling into the toilet before it flushes.
I think the idea here is that the character was "evil", so it's fine since she's getting punished in a way. -.- Of course, my problems with the episode were more than just antics:
- Really don't care about the original character.
- Tien hardly got any screen-time.
- Roshi's antics took up about half the episode (so if I don't find them funny, it's half the episode).
I mean in terms of transformations he's back where he was.
It is not a defense because it doesn't need defending. This was a Japanese episode of a Japanese show emphasizing one element of its dna, and that's perverted humour. It doesn't really matter what people have/haven't seen because it's part of the series regardless. Obviously within that context it can be done well or badly.
No.
Perverted humor is fine as long as it's not normalized and the show makes clear the perverted act is wrong.
Either through immediate punishment or through the heroes commenting and frowning upon it.
When you have a helpless girl begging a pervert to stop and she doesn't get the typical "super powered punch/weapon" to throw him away, things have gone too far. But when the hero turns a blind eye to it, I think it's definitely a huge mistake and not just different humor.
In Dragon Ball, whenever Roshi goes out of his way to be commit a perverted act, he is usually punished for it. Those situations never dragged. It also benefited from Goku being clueless as a kid, while adult Goku knows perfectly well what is happening.
But you'd have to spend an entire year by yourself in there! It must get maddening
There was Oolong flashing Roshi, transformed as Bulma which didn't have a punishment.
The flashing for the Dragon Ball/ Nimbus didn't have a punishment, unless you count Roshi being humiliated about the nimbus.
I still think the most fucked up thing is how Goku and Tien act. They should have had Vegeta tag along with Goku at some point, have Vegeta frown upon this. Show even more how far he's grown compared to Goku.
DBZ Goku was more aware of women and sexual appeal. That was the point of him offering up Videl/ Bulma. He also questioned how 18 could reproduce, and how Krillin and her could even have sex. He doesn't handle the topic of sex well, but he still understands it from a fundamental perspective. He has a child, he has had 2 children, unless we want to get really dark in how Chichi got him to have sex with her, I refuse to believe he's this stupid.
The flashing for the Dragon Ball/ Nimbus didn't have a punishment, unless you count Roshi being humiliated about the nimbus.
I still think the most fucked up thing is how Goku and Tien act. They should have had Vegeta tag along with Goku at some point, have Vegeta frown upon this. Show even more how far he's grown compared to Goku.
Tien was not that oblivious in DB or DBZ.
DBZ Goku was more aware of women and sexual appeal. That was the point of him offering up Videl/ Bulma. He also questioned how 18 could reproduce, and how Krillin and her could even have sex. He doesn't handle the topic of sex well, but he still understands it from a fundamental perspective. He has a child, he has had 2 children, unless we want to get really dark in how Chichi got him to have sex with her, I refuse to believe he's this stupid.
If they get wifi working in there, I'd do it.
Tien doesn't understand sex and Goku doesn't give a shit about anything
Icyflamez96
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Goku is an airhead and doesn't even understand really what is going on.
Tien letting him go off with her was the weird part.
Edit: oh ok they're both dumb in this regard, hahaha point and laugh at me for not watching much of db tehehe
Tien letting him go off with her was the weird part.
Edit: oh ok they're both dumb in this regard, hahaha point and laugh at me for not watching much of db tehehe
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