Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Put your back into it.

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Hopefully we get some proper figures for Caulifla, Cabba and Kale.

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Unless this doesn't count for what you mean.
 
Goku's brimming with confidence expression shown in the next episode (and generally throughout this arc) has me excited. Reminiscent of Cell tournament Goku. Whatever it is he achieved that we don't know about must be powerful as heck.

I'd say:
Goku
Vegeta
Frieza (dead = unlimited stamina)
18
Gohan

Lol at putting androids and Frieza over Gohan
 
I think I could see Freeza asking to become the next God of Destruction since Goku and Vegeta don't seem to want the title.

It doesn't suit them very well, but it would be Freeza's dream job. That or they could go through the boring route and simply have him solely ask to be brought back to life.

He'd do too good a job I guess.
 
I sure hope 18 destroys the fuck out of Caulifla.
Oh. Totally.

I just find the idea of Kale a bit boring, while Caulifa seems much more interesting from what we've seen so far.

But if 18 destroys Caulifa, a very angry Legendary Super Saiyan will have her sights on her.

Should be fun to watch.
 
That's what I'm getting at. I don't think it had to have been discovered by someone intentionally trying to transform. They are a warrior race who presumably trains and exercises their power regularly throughout their life. Basically everyone in that race is a "scientist". I think it's simple enough of a process to where it feels silly that no stumbled across that yet.

Ok, so if you had powers you'd focus it in random places in your body for who knows how long because something might happen?

Well then let's take that new knee ligament that was mentioned earlier, only discovered recently, what if you had to focus your energy into that specfic ligament, in a specific way (making it 'tingly'), for a minute straight, for you to transform into a super human?
How would you even know to focus it there if nobody knew it existed until 4 years ago? Let alone in the specific way.
 
Like I said, we've been studying and documenting human anatomy for 3600+ years and have discovered 2 new body parts in the last 4 years.

And it wouldn't be over the whole race through the span of time. It would be a very particular, very powerful few.

Clearly meaning at this point, they were non obvious body parts. This SSJ process as explained by Cabba comes of to me as relatively simple.

No, it's not only a "powerful few". It might be easier for a gifted few to achieve/find such a form, but assuming the majority of their race trains and exerts their power throughout their life, I think one should have stumbled across it by now.
 
Have Goku and Vegeta really surpassed the raw power of Golden Freezer since his introduction? I mean, they have improved, but back then he was way too powerful for either of them while he was at his peak. Now that he's expected to be able to hold that form with his unlimited stamina, he could be the strongest member.

But he still doesn't have a Kamehameha equivalent, so he can't really focus all that power as efficiently as Goku, Vegeta or Gohan can.
 
Clearly meaning at this point, they were non obvious body parts. This SSJ process as explained by Cabba comes of to me as relatively simple.

Why?

No, it's not only a "powerful few". It might be easier for a gifted few to achieve/find such a form, but assuming the majority of their race trains and exerts their power throughout their life, I think one should have stumbled across it by now.

Gohan and Vegeta weren't strong enough to do it. And yes, that does count. Retcon though it may be, it's a retcon that exists within the context of what came before. Which means neither Gohan nor Vegeta were powerful enough to do it without that spark of rage to set them off.
 
Ok, so if you had powers you'd focus it in random places in your body for who knows how long because something might happen?

Well then let's that that new knee ligament that was mentioned earlier, only discovered recently, what if you had to focus your energy into that specfic ligament, in a specific way (making it 'tingly'), for a minute straight, for you to transform into a super human?
How would you even know to focus it there if nobody knew it existed until 4 years ago? Let alone in the specific way.

I'd do all kinds of things to experiment with it.

I think you're completely missing my point if you ask me that, personally, as one guy. My point is, with a whole race of people over generations and generations exerting/experimenting/excising their power over the course of their lives, one (certainly a lot more than one) would have intentionally tried to simply focus energy on their back, yes. Not only that, but I think many people could have accidentally even done that without intentionally trying to "focus on their back".
 
Oh, if Gohan has to fight Frieza...

Then I guess Frieza allies himself with Frost to help U6 win, and ask Frost to use the Super DB to revive him ?

Hopefully that happens at the very end.

That sweet sweet Gohan revenge.
 

Because, it's simply "focusing energy on your back".

Gohan and Vegeta weren't strong enough to do it. And yes, that does count. Retcon though it may be, it's a retcon that exists within the context of what came before. Which means neither Gohan nor Vegeta were powerful enough to do it without that spark of rage to set them off.

I don't see the point your making here as it pertains to mine. Gohan and Vegeta didn't have the knowledge of "focusing on your back" to go Super Saiyan. How strong they were is irrelevant.
 
nah no way. Not including his fear of Beerus, I would think he would feel some loyalty to his universe.

Except Beerus will die if U7 loses.

So Frieza has nothing to fear.

- Help U6 win

- Ask Frost to revive him

- Beerus and U7 get blown up

- Profit

- kid trunks

This is the only one that matters.

They are letting 17 die off on his island because Trunks stuck around for no reason, they better give us Frieza Trunks interactions to make up for that.
 
Amazing episode. I love how different the rest of the universes are. Universe 11 gave me some weird Space Dandy vibes.

As far as Frieza interactions go, I want him to meet Buu, 17/18, Frost & Kale
 
I'd do all kinds of things to experiment with it.

I think you're completely missing my point if you ask me that, personally, as one guy. My point is, with a whole race of people over generations and generations exerting/experimenting/excising their power over the course of their lives, one (certainly a lot more than one) would have intentionally tried to simply focus energy on their back, yes. Not only that, but I think many people could have accidentally even done that without intentionally trying to "focus on their back".

Not missing the point, in that scenario the entire species can do it, not just you; to rephrase, how would anyone do it, if the discovery of the ligament was recent.

And it's also not just focusing energy, it's focusing energy in a very specific way ('tingly'), they could've focused their energy there a million times without getting it right.
Plus there is the whole 'gifted/prodigy' situation going on here; even if a bunch of saiyans did do it correctly by accident, that's no guarantee for doing what cauli did. Her 'genius' is very much another variable to consider.
 
First time we saw Caulifa made me think of her as a female Goku who didn't get the bonk on the head. Though Goku's head injury is probably why he's so gifted at fighting... 🤔
 
Gohan and Vegeta didn't have the knowledge of "focusing on your back" to go Super Saiyan.

You can make that argument for Vegeta, who was going it alone (even though if it was such an easy thing, someone who knew what they were trying to do should have found it) but Gohan had Goku teaching him. And now that I mention, Trunks had Gohan.
 
I wasn't bothered by today's development. Super Saiyan is already a joke, may as well let Caulifla achieve it by flexing her back muscles. I can buy prodigies in alternate universes making U7's trials and tribulations look silly by comparison - they're alternate universes. There's no logical reason for them to pay respect to particular story lines from the original series. Their power scaling can be whatever it needs to be.

I'm also finding myself surprisingly excited for Goku and Frieza's reunion. As stupid as it is, I can mentally separate Super from Z so I may as well enjoy the shenanigans this development presents. I have a feeling Frieza may have been practicing his golden form in the cocoon, improving the stamina limit - but who knows if that's even possible.

Overall not a bad episode, I can't wait until every combatant is revealed.

This episode had a lot of really nice art.
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I really like this drawing. He really looks like he is inhabiting 3D space.
 
First time we saw Caulifa made me think of her as a female Goku who didn't get the bonk on the head. Though Goku's head injury is probably why he's so gifted at fighting... 🤔

Is he gifted ?

Turns out he's one of the worst. He has to work so hard to get marginal results.

He couldn't get to god level on his own while an unimaginable amount of people could.
 
First time we saw Caulifa made me think of her as a female Goku who didn't get the bonk on the head. Though Goku's head injury is probably why he's so gifted at fighting... 🤔

They are very much reverse goku and vegeta imo.
Cabba is the high standing official, but is extremely nice.
Cauli is the battle genius, but an ill mannered degenerate.
They also seem to be around each other's strength.
 
Not missing the point

If you did I don't see why you would be asking me, being one person, if I would have discovered that to argue your point.

in that scenario the entire species can do it, not just you; to rephrase, how would anyone do it, if the discovery of the ligament was recent.

My point is, I think it would be easy to discover, for a warrior race who have existed as long as they have.

And it's also not just focusing energy, it's focusing energy in a very specific way ('tingly'), they could've focused their energy there a million times without getting it right.

Plus there is the whole 'gifted/prodigy' situation going on here; even if a bunch of saiyans did do it correctly by accident, that's no guarantee for doing what cauli did. Her 'genius' is very much another variable to consider.

I understand that, which is why I'm not like "you're stupid for thinking otherwise".

The geniuses may be able to do it more easily, but I'm not under the impression that you have to be a "genius" to do it at all. I still think they explained it to be simple enough that it immediately came across to me as weird that no one in their race had figured it out yet. Because even with a countless amount of non geniuses like her, it feels like to me that someone should have still come across that, even if it is harder for them. They just made it seem that simple.
 
Made me remember, No 17 is expecting grown up trunks, not kid trunks to take care of the island

I don't think so.

Because if he never heard the name "Trunks" himself.

So whether you think he heard it through Cell, or 18 told him about Trunks later on, he still should know Trunks was from the future.
 
You can make that argument for Vegeta, who was going it alone (even though if it was such an easy thing, someone who knew what they were trying to do should have found it) but Gohan had Goku teaching him. And now that I mention, Trunks had Gohan.

You're argument doesn't work either way. It's not like Goku was saying "focus on your back" to Gohan. Also, that focus on your back thing could be something that only applies to U6 saiyans and not U7 saiyans.
 
Seriously, Goku?

Frieza?!

The same Frieza who caused the near extinction of your and Vegeta's race?
The same Frieza who terrorized Namek and blew it and Earth up?
The same Frieza who killed Krillin?!
Need I go on?

Looking forward to how next week goes.
 
Seriously, Goku?

Frieza?!

The same Frieza who caused the near extinction of your and Vegeta race?
The same Frieza who terrorized Namek?
The same Frieza who killed Krillin?!
Need I go on?

Looking forward to how next week goes.

Please be excited.

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What also disappoints me is that Goku didn't even really give it any thought, where he at least gives it the perception that this is a last resort that would clearly unnerve everyone, as well as himself. Instead it's like "Wait a minute! What about Frieza guys?!"
 
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