LSauchelli
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How long until Jiren is replaced by a talented fan-animator with Superman?
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Dragon Ball Super |OT9| Genki-Drama
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That's also true. Frieza has probably snuffed out many a race due to his paranoia. I just wonder if anyone could reach the levels of Goku and Co. in U7 without these prime evils pushing characters to their limits.
So did Beerus since he picks due to food or gifts
Except that doesn't work.
Tien said "the genkidama's power didn't work on jiren" which is completely irrelevant since what made the difference was Jiren and Goku's gap, not the power of the attack itself.
Everybody was impressed by the power of the attack. What Whis confirmed is that the genkidama boost alone was not enough to help Goku match Jiren, but that could mean ANYTHING.
Ultra Trunks was "stronger than Cell" yet he stood no chance. We have no reason to believe this isn't one of those case where the mode was needed because Jiren seems to be using something similar/ uses his ki way more efficiently / effortlessly.
Roshi was wrong here since Whis agreed with Tien that the Spirit Bomb couldnt beat Jiren even if Goku completely absorbed it. If the Spirit Bomb could overwhelm Jiren if Goku could just push it into him, it would stand to reason that Goku absorbing it along with his own reserve energy would overwhelm Jiren. Yet, Tien and Whis both said that wouldnt be the case.
Perfect Cell at his full power made everyone crap themselves, showing that Ultra Trunks wasnt stronger than Cell and would have lost even without the speed lost.
Icyflamez96
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Undead Fantasy
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He clearly did..
Just before he gets hit with his Light of Justice he even calls himself weak.
EchoChamber
Member
Mario Castañeda goku black is unbelievable awesome.
We are not getting Goku Bale at least
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
We still got people in this thread who don't see the parallels lol
Jiren literally used red eye lasers in the last episode....
Icyflamez96
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nah that's not it
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Not sure what's going on with Jiren, maybe he's just that fucking badass, but he has something going with him for sure. I'm honestly wondering if there was ever a time where a super dragon ball wish was used on jiren. Maybe a wish was made to make Jiren a fighter who can never lose to any opponent? Perhaps this is why Jiren seeks the super dragon balls, to wish that the outcome of his battles be determined solely based on his own strength and determination, the way it should be for true warriors. Maybe he doesn't like the fact that his fights are technically being decided based on factors far beyond his control.
Just my assumption.
Jiren doesn't need to have Ultra Instinct, but perhaps due to the fact he's surpassed a god of destruction, something like ultra instinct is sorely needed in order to compete.
Why not both?
Yep, he's doing a great job. The scene where Trunks wakes up and punches Goku was a bit of a letdown though, I enjoyed it a lot more in Japanese.
Again, this is not what was said. And it contradicts what is said before, about Jiren being strong enough to push it back despite Goku having his full stamina, and the bomb scaring everyone + roshi's comment.
You also have no idea how much energy Goku was burning up, it's clear that thing didn't last long.
What made the difference is a clear "way to fight", raw power was probably not that relevant here once a certain threshold is passed.
Otherwise we're supposed to believe next time Goku goes UI he's actually stronger than Frieza Gohan and 17 COMBINED on his own.......
Sure.
First of all that was a retcon, but more precisely the logic behind it still stands since it is stated both by Goku and Trunks later on, again. The point is that stronger isn't always better. The fact their opponents was stronger either way does nothing to undo that logic.
That sounds lame though. Why would that be wished on him?
I want to think that Jiren wants the dragon balls to wish for something far more noble. Remember these are the pride troopers.
He was weak for being knock in his butt by Goku. Even then, no one claimed Zamasu got stronger. Its the opposite. They noted his body was falling apart.
When he called upon the Light of Justice, he just went to his full power after he spent all of 65 screwing with the heroes. Unless you think an overclocked Goku even without the Kaioken was stronger.
He got that Superman build fo' sho'!
Jiren in that scene just screamed Superman. I honestly can't get over the dude's physique. Been so long since we've had a swole fighter who was this overwhelming.
Also, Jiren looks a lot like the Plutonian from Irredeemable! Who is funnily enough, a Superman analogue lol.
What was said before was said by Roshi, who Whis disagrees with. In this situation, Whis statement holds more true than Roshis. The Spirit Bomb would not have beaten Jiren even if it hit. The bomb also didnt scare everyone. They were impressed by it, but not scared.
Even if Goku burnt most of his energy, if the Spirit Bomb could beat Jiren and he absorbed it, then Goku should have been able to beat/challenge Jiren. Yet, Whis and Tien both said that wouldnt be the case.
Nice theory, except no one on the show said that. And its clear that theres more going on with Goku than UI.
Doesnt matter if it was retcon. Ultra Trunks wouldnt have beaten Cell even if he speed didnt tank and this example doesnt even relate to what were talking about since Goku got stronger, faster, and UI and the Spirit Bomb did nothing but recharged Goku.
Undead Fantasy
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Ok Jiren is a lot more terrifying nowAlso, Jiren looks a lot like the Plutonian from Irredeemable! Who is a funnily enough, a Superman analogue lol.
They have nothing in common except built. Do you see Jiren turning people to ice with his breath and Jiren didnt even shot a laser from his eyes. They just glowed.
Icyflamez96
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I think this is a really cool idea actually.
In some respect at least.
Don't think it would be the case tho sense Clown talked about saving his energy.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Dope
The Namekians might not be on here because they still haven't made their big debut, but where the hell is Old Kaioshin?
Also I continue to dislike this artist.
Or theyre evil. I dont see Frost here.
Astral Dog
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Maybe but still i doubt it would have been as awesome as Goku/Vegeta/Frieza/17/18/Piccolo and Roshi combo, the other Universes are mostly low tier
DiipuSurotu
Banned
I dunno, his Gohan looks decent and not like Vegeta
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
why
Stop.
Undead Fantasy
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Pilaf and gang are great.
TheRealTalker
Banned
The Pilaf gang needs to replace Goten and Trunks
I'm so glad those little shits have been gone, they were such a nuisance in the Goku Black arc. WE NEED COMIC RELIEF OH NOES THIS IS SOO SERIOUS
Fuck that.
Agreed
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Shu (the ninja dog) is cute and could be a great mascot type character but he's tied with Pilaf and present Mai so he can't really develop as a character
They obnoxiously overstayed their welcome. They're fine in small amounts but that arc was too much.
D
Deleted member 286591
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I don't get why Jiren is so completely ridiculously overpowered. Like, even for a Dragon Ball character it's weird and seems too much.
Sprinkles are fine unless you cover the whole goddamn cake in them
Goku needs a goal post to shoot for
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I like sprinkles all over my cake.
Perfect.
TheRealTalker
Banned
ArchedThunder
Banned
Vegeta protected Goku from outside attacks, get over it.