Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Dragon Quest I & II HD-2D on Switch will not have an upgrade path to Switch 2 version (save data also cannot be transferred or shared between them)
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memoryman3
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This is on Nintendo by the way. If a game releases on a Game-Key Card, it is not allowed to release as a Switch 2 Edition. Nintendo also don't have a system to upgrade physical multi-generational games like PlayStation and Xbox do, because Nintendo of course.
This is why Sonic and Suikoden have upgrades on the other platforms but not Switch 2.
This is why Sonic and Suikoden have upgrades on the other platforms but not Switch 2.
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kazuyamishima
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Damn, even arrogant Sony has upgrade paths.
Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
$59.99
Poppinfresh
Member
Is there any practical difference between the Switch and Switch 2 version of this game for it to even really matter?
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
As I recall, wasn't Dragon Quest III 30fps with drops on the Switch 1? There's a lot of gains to be had by kicking that hardware to the curb.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Of course Nintendo found a way to be behind the times :/…
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Nintendo might be happy with this, they can sell digital only as a better solution (further missing the point but…).
Little Mac
Member
The technology doesn't exist yet.
Shadowstar39
Gold Member
This is my thought. It's a very light game graphically, there is no fast action, why does this matter? As long as it plays on switch 2.
Yeah, that's bad. I'll get the SW1 version. Though, it's also on the publisher that releases the game-key card.
Also, Hogwarts Legacy is a Game-Key but the upgrade is still possible - no idea how they solved it technically. I also assume they could've offered it for those who at least bought the digital version...
p.s. I'm really curious to know how much Suikoden weights that warranted a Key Card... Fuck Konami.
Hudo
Member
A lot of decisions made this gen across the board by everyone could be summarized with this.
It's just fucking wild.
memoryman3
Member
It was this, a $20 Switch tax on all releases, or digital only releases. The best alternative for collectors would be to distribute S2 games on S1 carts and force installs, but many modern games have sizes that exceed 16GB.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Nintendo could have offered different cart sizes with 16GB and 32GB options.
Nintendo could have built a system like Sony and MS did and allowed upgrade downloads.
The current system is a cluster and will suppress 3rd party sales, IMO.
At least they published a thorough guide on how it works so everyone can make an informed decision. Given the graphics, I don't think it "needs" the Switch's 2 power, so buying the Switch 1 one version and just play it via BC on the Switch 2 seems viable, depending on availibility and price.
And if you already own a Switch 2, just buy the Switch 2 version when available.
And if you already own a Switch 2, just buy the Switch 2 version when available.
Hogwarts Legacy is a GKC and also a $10 upgrade if you own the Switch 1 physical. You're spreading misinformation.
I get people hate GKCs and in an ideal world everything would be fully physical, but it's tiring going into every thread about third party fuckery and people spread flat out lies about the platform.
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memoryman3
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The developers had to workaround Nintendo's discount systems to offer the upgrade, and even then you could sell the Switch 1 cart after upgrading and still play the Switch 2 copy. Which I don't think JP publishers would be fine with allowing. On PS4/PS5, Xbox, and Switch 2 Editions you need to have the old physical media inserted to play the new version.
kazuyamishima
Member
Hogwarts legacy has a Switch 1 and a Switch 2 version separately,
Sonic x Shadows, Suikoden and now DQ1+2 don't have a specific Switch 2 versions.
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Do you have a link to a source claiming Switch 2 editions have to be full on cart and not GKCs?
In the end, there is a way to do it, it's just that these publishers don't want to do it. They're taking advantage of the transition period to look for double dippers.
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Power Pro
Member
This is absolutely not true. This is a Square-Enix decision or something. There are a few games that offer an upgrade path from Switch 1 version.
Civilization 7 - pay $10 for upgrade for digital or physical release (switch card needs to be in system)
Hogwarts Legacy - $10 for digital download if you own physical or digital version. Don't need physical switch cart in system to play switch 2 version
Fantasy Life i - $2.59 for switch 2 upgrade. There is no physical version in the US, but i imported the Japanese version, but was able to purchase the NA eshop upgrade for it still
BlackTron
Member
It's really more about smaller sizes not bigger. The smallest option is 64GB. Even for a solid 20GB size game, they don't want to pay for a 64GB express speed cart, so keycard is the only other viable option for a physical game. For 1-5GB indie type games, this is a joke. There needs to be a smaller cart, or I guess Nintendo just expects them to be Switch 1 games.
spookyfish
Gold Member
True, but the Japanese, as far as I'm aware, are unhappy because they want physical game releases.
Nintendo's Witch
Member
What a fucking joke.
Same ol G
Member
Hogwarts legacy proves this is not true, i used the upgrade path and have both versions of the game available.
This is the same as with PS5, some games got upgrade paths or patches, others didn't....
blacktout
Member
I don't understand what you mean here. There are multiple Switch 2 Edition games that allow you to upgrade by inserting a Switch 1 cartridge and downloading a digital patch. I've done this myself with BotW, TotK, and No Man's Sky.
I don't see why Dragon Quest I + II (or Sonic X Shadow Generations or any other game not offering an upgrade path) couldn't have handled it the same way.
Mister Wolf
Member
Square playing hardball with you guys.
Same ol G
Member
You're totally right but it's easier to shit on Nintendo then to use your own brain for 2 seconds.....
Deerock71
Very Poor Hoice of Wor
Eh. Just get the Switch version and be done with it. It'll actually send a message to both companies.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
All Square Enix is doing is fanning the flames; they're desperate.
Now they've caused me to not buy their game not day one... Im gonna waiting for it to cost $15 or $20 on PS5 or Switch.
How many blunders Nintendo made with Keycards.
And if they continue like this... Then I'll play it on a SNES, NES, or PS1 emulator.
Now they've caused me to not buy their game not day one... Im gonna waiting for it to cost $15 or $20 on PS5 or Switch.
How many blunders Nintendo made with Keycards.
And if they continue like this... Then I'll play it on a SNES, NES, or PS1 emulator.
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Mister Wolf
Member
Exactly. Even the upcoming Shadow Labyrinth offers a free upgrade to the Switch 2 version if you own the Switch 1 version. This is just Square being cutthroat to the proponents of physical media.
memoryman3
Member
All of these games except Hogwarts are Switch 2 Editions, containing the full Switch 1 games + Switch 2 upgrades. These are basically paid patches ala the PS5 Pro/Xbox One X and are cross-compatible with Switch 1. This system might be fine for Nintendo, but it isn't great for third parties. For big games this can lead
to serious file size bloat if a developer wants to incorporate next generation assets and shaders on S2.
Switch 2 "exclusive" games such as Sonic X Shadow and this are completely new builds that take full advantage of the hardware and can't be played on Switch 1. Game Key Cards as a format literally can't be read on Switch 1, so Nintendo decided that Switch 2 Editions should have their own unique card format that contains both versions. Marvelous talked about this in an interview with RPGGamer last month.
Not having a Switch 2 Enhanced label was what allowed Square to sell the DQ Remake at a low price on the system. It's on Nintendo for not having the infrastructure in place to support true multi-gen game upgrades.
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Poppinfresh
Member
People just seem to be looking for things to whine about.
Given the game, the Switch 1 & Switch 2 versions are probably 99% the exact same.
Maybe (and this is a big maybe) the Switch 2 version will have an unlocked framerate, but it's a turn-based, HD-2D game, so who really cares?
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BlackTron
Member
Very good point, Hogwarts is a game key, and has an upgrade path, so that point is bunk...
memoryman3
Member
And you could cheat the system, trade in your old Switch version of Hogwarts, and get a massive discount on the game overall. It's even advertised on HotUKDeals.
PS5 has a considerably higher ratio of games that offer free upgrades from PS4 to the full next-gen version, without having to resort to glorified patches that contain redundant data the user doesn't need.
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