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Dream Theater - Octavarium

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Hooker

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I just can't stop listening to it, and I used to despise Dream Theater!! Should say enough about how fucking good this album is. This year is AMAZING for metal fans.

Just 8 songs, but 75:44 of orgasmic sounds. Especially the title song, clocking in at 23:59, is an amazing trip through everything good in prog metal. Can't really comment about how it compares to the previous albums as I never really listened to them, but this one is just fucking ace!
 
Hooker said:
I just can't stop listening to it, and I used to despise Dream Theater!! Should say enough about how fucking good this album is. This year is AMAZING for metal fans.

Just 8 songs, but 75:44 of orgasmic sounds. Especially the title song, clocking in at 23:59, is an amazing trip through everything good in prog metal. Can't really comment about how it compares to the previous albums as I never really listened to them, but this one is just fucking ace!

I'm a long time dream theater fan, but I'll refrain from discussing the album until it's actually out unless a mod specifically says I can do so.
 

Jonnyram

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I've heard a lot of praise for this album, but I've never listened to anything by them before. What are they like? Is it heavy prog rock? Can you think of anything that is remotely comparable that I might have heard of if I'm not a strong follower of their genre. I saw the album in the shops earlier and am tempted to pick it up, but there were no listening posts.
 

Hooker

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Symphonic progressive rock/metal -- They're in a league of their own really. Some people compare them to Tool, but I think that has more to do with the rabid fans of each band than their music. (although they both have heavy progressive influences)



This album has a lot of muse vibes, and is more accessible for the casual listener IMO. I wasn't a DT fan until this record. Just couldn't bite through the style of singing. I think it's a great album to start with, but I reckon the other DT fans will be able to tell you much mroe about it
 

Troidal

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Haven't heard Dream Theater in a while.
I hope to find a listening station at the CD store and give it a listen...
 

EAJAPAN

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Yep, this CD owns hardcore. The variety reminds me a lot of Images and Words.

I walk beside you is my least favourite track, but other than that it's an extremely solid album, especially the title track. Amazing effort given that there are seven other songs on there that range from too long for radio to obscenely long for radio. :lol

Octavarium's length and excellence will no doubt raise one single question for a long time to come - better than Change of Seasons?
 

Un4

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Well, i think its a pretty good record but for DT standards its pretty average. I liked Train of Thought a lot more than this one thats for sure.
I really hate the Muse style vocals (WTF Labrie????) and the Bono like chorus on I walk beside you. DT don't have to copy styles from shitty bands as DT wipes the floor with most of them anyway.

These Walls is my favourite track on the album, the rest doesn't come close. Octavarium isn't the ACOS beater we all had hoped for and The Root of All evil isn't The Glass Prison or This Dying Soul by a long shot.

It isn't a bad record but i expected a little much more from DT tbh. Maybe the good stuff will come on the new label. :)
 

Manics

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Dream Theater fans are probably the most puzzling people on this earth.


I can never get past the lead singer's 80 hair-band style vocals. Just brutal for a supposedly "metal" band. The music is pretty good, but every song is ruined as soon as LaBrie starts singing. It's what I would call a very weak girly voice.
 

callous

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Manics said:
I can never get past the lead singer's 80 hair-band style vocals. Just brutal for a supposedly "metal" band. The music is pretty good, but every song is ruined as soon as LaBrie starts singing. It's what I would call a very weak girly voice.

If not for this, I would be a Dream Theater fan.
 
Manics said:
I can never get past the lead singer's 80 hair-band style vocals. Just brutal for a supposedly "metal" band. The music is pretty good, but every song is ruined as soon as LaBrie starts singing. It's what I would call a very weak girly voice.
I notice people who can't suffer Dream Theater usually like King Crimson.
 

ElyrionX

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Errr, James LaBrie fucking rocks. Only problem is that he can't sing live for shit.

For someone to say that he prefers Train of Thought over Octavarium kind of worries me. Apart from Stream of Consciousness, there was hardly anything memorable about ToT. At least, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence had The Glass Prison.
 
This album is great. Easily the best they've put out since Metropolis, and probably their most accessible since falling into infinity. It took me awhile to really sink my teeth into as many of the songs aren't all that memorable until you've heard them a few times.

Octavarium is much different than ACOS in terms of approach. ACOS took an approach that had dream theater throwing tons of somewhat similar sounding parts at you and forming a song out of it. Octavarium is more of a marriage of a few very different parts with one of the best instrumental sections in Dream Theater history. Technical, confusing, and packed with about 8 different emotions in the span of a minute and a half (or however long it is). I'd put ACOS and Octavarium about equal in terms of quality, but vastly different. It is the song that has taken me the longest time to appreciate on the album though.

Those who've skipped out on DT because of Labrie(the singer), they may want to give this album a shot. His singing is much improved on this album in my opinion, and he's not sucking helium nearly as often. His voice is really one that takes time to get used to. I didn't like it for the longest time but one day I just suddenly loved it and then fell inlove with the band. They're still not Pain of Salvation, and Labrie is certainly no Daniel Gildenlow, but he's quite good in his own right.

Highlights of the album for me(every song has atleast 1)

Root of All Evil - Petrucci's solo. His most tasteful technical solo since Home (on Metropolis)
The Answer Lies Within - The last couple minutes, primarily the symphonic stuff. Very nice.

These Walls - The pre-chorus and the ending.

I walk Beside you - The intro...such a dream theater thing to do.

Panic Attack - Pretty much the whole song is flat out awesome. I'm not a big fan of the solo (sounds alot like the solos on Train of Thought, which I thought were for the most part pretty uninteresting)

Never Enough - Again, I love every second of this song. I've been told it's very very similar to Muse's "Hysteria", though I've not been able to listen to that song yet to see just how close the two are. The mid section has one of the best unisons in dream theater history. It's interesting, cool sounding, and having tabbed about the first third of it out, it's VERY difficult to play. Good stuff.

Sacrificed Sons - The "political" song of the album, a trend they've had since Six Degrees of Inner turbulence. This is the best they've done, imo, slightly eclipsing In the Name of God(which was by far the best song on ToT). This may be my favorite song on the album, and it's fantastic from end to end. Has a very odd melody in the first half that although somewhat dissonant, fits absolutely perfectly.

Octavarium - This one took me some time, but after about 20 or so listens I feel it's every bit as A Change of Seasons, though completely different. The entire song is great, but from about 13:50 on it's just fantastic. The last few minutes are just incredible though.

And that's about it as far as my thoughts on the album go. Right now I'd put it above Train of Thought, Six Degrees, Falling into Infinity, and probably Awake(though I'm not sure there...) on my list of dream theater favorites. Metropolis pt.2 and Images&Words are both still better I thitnk, though. The album is still getting better each time I listen to it, though, so that may change.
 

Un4

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ElyrionX said:
For someone to say that he prefers Train of Thought over Octavarium kind of worries me. Apart from Stream of Consciousness, there was hardly anything memorable about ToT. At least, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence had The Glass Prison.

Ahh, forgot to tell you, i'd pick 6DOIT anytime over Octavarium (and ToT btw, which was just an example). :)

The one thing with DT records is that no matter how different the style is from the earlier records, its still DT. Some songs on Octavarium don't even have that. Never Enough sounds like a cheap Muse rip off.. i really find it hard to understand why they are getting away with that. Same with the u2 song.

Still, its not a bad album at all, i still listen to it very often, but it just feels if something is missing.Even with the presence of a 24 minute song (which could be done in 15 if you leave out the "ambient" style stuff at the beginning) doesn't make up for that.
 

ElyrionX

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Currently listening to the album and I'm liking it so far. The more I listen to it the better it seems to get.

I really really like the climax in Octavarium where LaBrie screams "Trapped inside this Octavarium" and how it builds up. It's possibly Dream Theater's most emotionally powerful moment, comparable to The Spirit Carries On.

Panic Attack is the heavy song of the moment and it comes off very nicely. I like it better than all of the tracks on ToT.
 
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