Driveclub PS Plus Edition Delayed by Server Issues

Pops Maellard said:
All versions of the game should be available or none of them should. If they're really having such massive server issues that they can't allow more players access because it would negatively impact the experience of those who have already purchased the game, they shouldn't continue selling the game either.
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There is a huge, massive difference between adding some new buyers and opening the floodgates on millions of ps+ subscribers.
 
Rain City Gamer said:
Did you purchase PS+ soley because you wanted to play the PS+ version of DriveClub?
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It'd be A reason.

I also find it kind if ridiculous you say that 99% of people subscribe to PS+ for online multiplayer. That was an addition from only a year ago, depending on your view either a bit more (announcement) or a bit LESS due to PS4 launch. The "free" games were absolutely THE reason 90% of people ever signed on in the first place, the MP snagged the remaining percent and ensured most of those already paying would continue to do so. Nevermind the free games are a smart, possibly nigh-essential value add to ensure those who aren't big into MP games have a reason to sub beyond that one or two games that they want to go online for. The alternative Microsoft went for (blocking services that were free at other places, even SUBSCRIPTION services) was just bullshit and angering for those that weren't suckers. Doubly so when the XBL distinct quirks were filed away.
 
dareacher said:
god i wouldn't want to work PR for these companies....1 mistake....just 1 mistake and the pitchforks are out!
Shameful sense of entitlement in these posts but whatever right , first world problems indeed. What will we do without our free games and how will we live if we get it late. guess its a generational thing as it seems olderGAF seems less mad.
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This isn't just one mistake though. They've done this before. I'm not even that miffed about Driveclub. I just want Sony to follow up on the shit I pay them for. And, if they can't do that, at least tell me why, and, when to expect a follow up.

They haven't done either.
 
I cant believe these peole protecting that bs! Sony delayed the game for an entire year, MANY people were expecting this free version, and for long time they have promised it to this month IGC. Now they not only delay the plus version AGAIN but also doesnt even mention it at the IGCs blog. Also peolple are paying for the service, and even though DC+ is not the entire thing, it is a big part of it (Im sure Im not the only one who want this DC version more then any of those games given this month, and maybe year). So people say that we should just accept it and not complain? Such passiveness for Sony's acts.
 
HamsterPackage said:
This right here is my favorite post of the thread hands down. And yeah this is BS just let me download it and play the single player till you figure your shit out Sony.
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I think that part of the reasoning is that the Plus Edition is a marketing tool, to sell the full game.

So, since in the full game a selling point of it, which were the online aspects (like the clubs) are not working, it might cause the opposite reaction.

Playing a version of the game with less content, less menus, less options, no activities, no leaderboards and a constant reminder that the servers are not working (unless you turn off the HUD), won't sell anyone the game.

The handling of this has been a PR disaster, but releasing an even more gimped version of a "demo" would be worse.

It sucks also that the game is darn great, but was caught in this at the last minute. Evolution did a great job. Hopefully matters will be solved soon. In the meantime, back to the full (offline) game! :p
 
With nearly all the PS4s and a majority of PS3s and Vitas connected to PS+ you'd think those clowns at Tokyo would invest better in their online infrastructure to prevent things like this happening.
 
dareacher said:
god i wouldn't want to work PR for these companies....1 mistake....just 1 mistake and the pitchforks are out!
Shameful sense of entitlement in these posts but whatever right , first world problems indeed. What will we do without our free games and how will we live if we get it late. guess its a generational thing as it seems olderGAF seems less mad.
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But we are entitled.
 
Kssio_Aug said:
I cant believe these peole protecting that bs! Sony delayed the game for an entire year, MANY people were expecting this free version, and for long time they have promised it to this month IGC. Now they not only delay the plus version AGAIN and doeant even mention it at the IGCs blog. So people say that we should just accept it and not complain? Such passiveness for Sony's acts.
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Well, I don't mind waiting honestly if we need to wait on server issues being resolved, but they should've been more forthcoming about that in the first place. Just not having the game show up in the update and not responding at all to people going "what the hell?" until way, way later is pretty frustrating though, but we at least got word eventually so... ah well.
 
The PS+ delay doesn't but me really. They should prioritize getting things working for people paying for the full game first for sure IMO.

The bigger issue is the server fuck up in general. There's no excuse in 2014 for servers for major releases to not hold up to launch day traffic. Stuff like that was a big worry I had in switching from mostly 360 last gen to PS4 this gen. Sony just doesn't have the online system as polished as MS does--be it for PSN overall or servers for specific first party titles.

Thankfully I've mostly dodged the bullet so far as Diablo 3 and Destiny are the only online games I've played so far and I've had no issues with those other than the first day of the Destiny Beta. Destiny servers have been down a few times, but not during times I was trying to play. Drive Club I want to try out, but I'm not a huge fan of racers, and Destiny/Diablo are eating my gaming time anyway, so the wait is pretty moot for me.
 
bananafactory said:
The thing is, people are still getting the thing they paid $50 for. They're just getting it a day (or a few days) later than expected.

But some of them are acting like it's been outright cancelled.
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Not entirely, we aren't. Yes, we received 5 of the 6 promised titles yesterday. That still leaves one. They still haven't explained why.

Is there any other situation you can think of where, you pay full price for something, you only receive 84% of it with no explanation, and, then just shrug it off?
 
Heroman said:
But we are entitled.
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I think the word entitlement has been thrown around so often on these parts that people forget the real meaning of it and are just convinced it's a dirty word.

This is a scenario where gamers are absolutely entitled to voice their frustrations.
 
Vire said:
I think the word entitlement has been thrown around so often on these parts that people forget the real meaning of it and are just convinced it's a dirty word.

This is a scenario where gamers are absolutely entitled to voice their frustrations.
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No ones saying you venting about how furious you are about video games isn't allowed. What I'm saying is LOL about being mad over video games.
 
Eusis said:
Well, I don't mind waiting honestly if we need to wait on server issues being resolved, but they should've been more forthcoming about that in the first place. Just not having the game show up in the update and not responding at all to people going "what the hell?" until way, way later is pretty frustrating though, but we at least got word eventually so... ah well.
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But thats more or less what I want to say. The problem is not to wait a couple days (or even more who knows), but this difficulty of keeping their word and also the lack of consumers care. They have delayed this game for such long time already so this should not even happen in the first place, but if we consider that shit happens (and they do) they should at least be more clear, starting with giving an answer at the blogs IGC section and informing this at the full game page on PS Store. But no...
 
Xer0 said:
Not entirely, we aren't. Yes, we received 5 of the 6 promised titles yesterday. That still leaves one. They still haven't explained why.

Is there any other situation you can think of where, you pay full price for something, you only receive 84% of it with no explanation, and, then just shrug it off?
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Technically 6 out of 7 (though I already had Batman and Spelunky was entitled to me as cross-buy so effectively 4 games new to PS platforms), but this actually is akin to MMOs having rough launches with days you basically can't play or when UPS fails to deliver a package when they should. But add an extra day or two for everyone and that probably makes it equal, it really isn't THAT big of a deal though it's frustrating and complaints shouldn't be completely brushed off.
Kssio_Aug said:
But thats more or less what I want to say. The problem is not to wait a couple days (or even more who knows), but this difficulty of keeping their word and also the lack of consumers care. They havr delayed this game for such long time already so this should not even happen in the first place, but if we consider that shit happens (and they do) they should at leat be more clear, starting with giving an answet at the blogs IGC section and informing this at the full game page on PS Store. But no...
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Yeah, it really should've been immediate or at least within the first hour. Either they hoped to resolve stuff quickly so it was just SLIGHTLY late or they had to work through internal beaucracy, but even then "more details to come soon" would've sufficed in the interim.
 
I like Evolution, but I wonder if they will be able to survive this. So many bad things happened with this game's development, reception, and launch. If they go the only racing studio Sony will have left will be Polyphony. They seem like one of those developers that have a lot of potential, but just can't get that breakthrough hit that they're capable of.
 
jaxpunk said:
No ones saying you venting about how furious you are about video games isn't allowed. What I'm saying is LOL about being mad over video games.
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I'm more annoyed with the people defending this than the actual problem itself.
 
Hawk269 said:
Tell that to the people that paid $60.00 for the game. I have been gaming for a very long time and know that there are issues with servers on launch day, but this is different, usually when there are server issues, at least some people are able to get on, while others are in a que or get some disconnects etc. For this game, many have yet to get on-line at all since the midnight launch.

If someone pays $60 for a game that is very on-line focused, then they have every right to be mad and bitchy about it, even moreso for the majority of people that have not been able to get on-line not even once.
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I agree and say so in my post. If you bought the game for $60 then bitch away. but the rest need to take a step back and use their brain a little.
 
Yesterday, I can without a doubt say I received great value for my PS Plus subscription. I downloaded 6 games I haven't played before, all of which look promising! I played a bit of Dust, plays great so far. Pix the Cat and Spelunky looking good too. And I get Rainbow Moon, Chronicles of Mystara and Batman: Arkam Asylum (since I have both PS3 and PS4).

Am I disappointed that Driveclub PS+ edition hasn't come out yet? Sure. But I have so many games to play its not a problem. Plus I have other, life-related things to deal with. So if Driveclub PS+ edition come out a few days late, its no big deal to me. Since I have a back catalogue of games to play, as well as a life, its not a problem for me.
 
RoadHazard said:
Is this an online-only game? Pretty sure it's not. So it in fact already has an offline mode.
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It has an offline mode if you're not connected to the internet, but that doesn't mean it automatically has an offline mode if you are connected. That would likely require a patch to the software, which is not an instant, easy, fix. In fact, it's conceivably easier to just fix the network issue.

Vire said:
It's not free, you are paying for a service that provides it.

I'll never understand this sentiment.
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I'll never understand the need some people have to point out the stuff isn't technically 'free' as if we don't know that already.


Xer0 said:
This isn't just one mistake though. They've done this before. I'm not even that miffed about Driveclub. I just want Sony to follow up on the shit I pay them for. And, if they can't do that, at least tell me why, and, when to expect a follow up.

They haven't done either.
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This very well may not be a Sony/PSN issue. It's quite possible that Driveclub has an obscure bug or something and it's community connectivity is causing each PS4 to ping the servers so often it ends up being like a DDOS attack. Or countless other possibilities. If so, 'Sony' might not know what the issue is yet, it could be completely in Evo's court.

The fact is, nobody here knows exactly what's going on. The only thing we do know is that problems started on release, so they had over 12 hours or so to realize that they shouldn't release the ps+ version.

Vire said:
I'm more annoyed with the people defending this than the actual problem itself.
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You wouldn't see people defending this if others weren't coming up with crazy ideas like 'Sony is shady and trying to get more sales'. That's absurd on its face, and will cause people to post in defense.

Sane, reasonable posts like "This stinks, but as long as we get it soon I'll be fine. At least I have 6 other ps+ games to play in the meantime." generally get agreement all around.


Xer0 said:
Not entirely, we aren't. Yes, we received 5 of the 6 promised titles yesterday. That still leaves one. They still haven't explained why.
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We received 6/6 games yesterday, didn't we? This was a 7th bonus game.
 
Xer0 said:
Not entirely, we aren't. Yes, we received 5 of the 6 promised titles yesterday. That still leaves one. They still haven't explained why.

Is there any other situation you can think of where, you pay full price for something, you only receive 84% of it with no explanation, and, then just shrug it off?
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They did explain why, it's being held until the servers stabilize.

https://www.facebook.com/driveclubofficial/timeline

In order to help all DRIVECLUB players who have the game already, we're temporarily holding back the PS Plus Edition and the My DRIVECLUB app to ease the load and traffic to the servers. This should give players a better chance of connecting to the game servers and, once the servers are operating well, we’ll be sure to let you know when the PS Plus Edition and My DRIVECLUB app will be available to download.
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But I will agree that

a) They should not have waited so long to explain
b) There should be official statements from Sony regarding it, on the PS Blog and Twitter accounts. Not just Driveclub's Facebook page.
 
Xer0 said:
I don't get it. If people are saying $50 doesn't entitle you to what Sony says they'll give you for that $50, then, what exactly, *does* it entitle you to?

Are we just giving them $50 out of the goodness of our hearts? Or are we paying for something in return?
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But you are getting the game, its just been delayed.

Is there something in the terms of service that says the free games must be delivered on X date of each month at X time? No?

Also, the free games are a bonus on top of the service. If Sony wanted they could eliminate that and be like Microsoft was for most of last generation and offer nothing for subscribers. Hey then there wouldn't be a debate! lol
 
Heroman said:
But we are entitled.
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According to their ToS, you aren't. It is a online fee and the rest depends on Sony's goodwill. Of course, their marketing is deceiving enough to make you think you are entitled to the games, but atleast according to them you aren't ( if its hold up at court is another question). Thats why it still amazes me that Sony got away with it.
 
Vire said:


I'm more annoyed with the people defending this than the actual problem itself.
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Server issues happen, what do you want to see happen? They release the demo and then people shit the bed because there are still server issues. Or do suck it up, wait to fix the issue then put your actual working demo out there. Either way, whiners gonna whine.
 
Oersted said:
According to their ToS, you aren't. It is a online fee and the rest depends on Sony's goodwill. Of course, their marketing is deceiving enough to make you think you are entitled to the games, but atleast according to them you aren't ( if its hold up at court is another question). Thats why it still amazes me that Sony got away with it.
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I would imagine this would be the same with any other service that gives away games, otherwise they could be liable for situations completely out of their own hands.
 
autoduelist said:
This very well may not be a Sony/PSN issue. It's quite possible that Driveclub has an obscure bug or something and it's community connectivity is causing each PS4 to ping the servers so often it ends up being like a DDOS attack. Or countless other possibilities. If so, 'Sony' might not know what the issue is yet, it could be completely in Evo's court.
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You may be right, but, still: if they can't do that, at least tell me why, and, when to expect a follow up.

They could, at the very least, acknowledge the issue publicly. It could very well be Evo's problem to fix, but, it's Sony's responsibility to keep us informed.
 
Wait....will I be able to download the PS+ upgrade after all???
Is available for 39,99 euro on the Dutch PSN store.

I thought it would only be possible to buy it, after downloading the PS+ edition?

Confused...
 
Steve McQueen said:
Wait....will I be able to download the PS+ upgrade after all???
Is available for 39,99 euro on the Dutch PSN store.

I thought it would only be possible to buy it, after downloading the PS+ edition?

Confused...
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Yes, you can buy the full version at a discounted price without downloading the PS+ Edition first.
 
jaxpunk said:
Server issues happen, what do you want to see happen? They release the demo and then people shit the bed because there are still server issues. Or do suck it up, wait to fix the issue then put your actual working demo out there. Either way, whiners gonna whine.
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Server issues happen?

You act like this is the first mishap that Sony has had with PSN in the past few months. If it was a first time offense, I don't think there would be near the "outrage" that you are hearing right now.

But that's not the case, PSN has been plagued with shit service for over a month now, constant disconnects, maintenance, downtime, the store being down, unable to access digital copies that we paid for because the licensing handling wasn't working, unable to accept and send friend requests.

They need to fix their infrastructure and fast.

I really can honestly say, I have had close to zero issues with Xbox Live in the past 6 months.
 
Stop with this ToS thing. So basically everything that Sonys promote with trailers, events and interviews related to PSN we should not create any expectation because of ToS, and if we do its our fault? If theyre creating expectations it doesnt matter the ToS, if the expectations alone does not hold any "judicial" value on Europe or USA or wherever, at least there exisist the fact of consumers respect. They should not create big expectations on things they wont deliver.
And yeah, shit happens but they could release it anyway and just shut the servers on the game until its fixed. Also, buyers deserves to have their full game playable, but subscribers (and consequently potential buyers) deserve their hyped incomplete version aswell.
 
It's probably okay to delay the plus version but for server issues, invest some of that plus subscription money. Sony need to be more forthcoming with PSN upgrades. I wouldn't be too happy after subscribing seeing more issues, old and new. Your competitor while not a white knight in their Xbox Live history has keep improving and openly discussed big changes.
 
I think it's time we all go on a march. I have the addresses for many of their European and American offices.

I'm gonna say this as simply as I can. If it's our time to not play games, it's our time. All I ask is, if we have to give these bastards our money... WE GIVE 'EM HELL BEFORE WE DO!
 
Xer0 said:
You may be right, but, still: if they can't do that, at least tell me why, and, when to expect a follow up.

They could, at the very least, acknowledge the issue publicly. It could very well be Evo's problem to fix, but, it's Sony's responsibility to keep us informed.
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But didn't Rushy post a long letter to explain everything? What if Sony asked him to? Would that count? Depending on what's causing the issue, the only ones that can intelligently explain the issue would be Evo and not Sony.

At the end of the day, a free* game is getting delayed by a couple days, while we got 6 others to fool around with in the meantime. Yes, I was looking forward to it. I still am. Patience is a virtue, I guess?
 
Late Flag said:
Why is this acceptable? I know it's just a video game and nobody is going drop dead because the servers are wonky at launch, but I can't think of another product where people just shrug their shoulders when it doesn't work as advertised. I certainly can't think of any where consumers themselves get criticized for wanting the product they paid for to function properly.
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Not saying it is acceptable but to act like it's a rare occurrence and overreact the way people are in this thread is ridiculous. They can only internally test so much with so many people and none of that compares to a real world launch. Hopefully this will change but expectations need to be in the right place.
 
Something tells me this is going to get worse before it gets any better. Like it's going to be officially delayed by a month, or more key features are going to be cut from the PS+ version.
 
IAmRandom31 said:
But you are getting the game, its just been delayed.
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Has it? Sony hasn't said a word. A facebook post by the dev is not enough. The publisher is the one who decides when people can download it.

IAmRandom31 said:
Is there something in the terms of service that says the free games must be delivered on X date of each month at X time? No?
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I don't know, but, if that's the game they're going to play with their consumers, they're going to lose business. Telling consumers "give us $50 and you can totally download this game on Tuesday" and then not releasing, and then saying "well, in the ToS it's all subject to change without notice?" Fuck that. Yes, that's legal, but, yes, we'll stop using the service.

IAmRandom31 said:
Also, the free games are a bonus on top of the service. If Sony wanted they could eliminate that and be like Microsoft was for most of last generation and offer nothing for subscribers. Hey then there wouldn't be a debate! lol
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As someone who has had PS+ since day one, the service *was* the free games. When it came about that multiplayer was now under it, I thought "that sucks, but, at least I'm getting awesome games out of it." And, now, not only has PSN been schizophrenic as shit since PS4 launched, but, now I'm missing games with no explanation?
 
PS+ should have been spun off from PSO.
Then they could prioritise by the different account types.

In the end their just making you pay for the PS3 online service now.
 
No matter the reason/excuse they provide..gamers are absolutely entitled (not a bad word btw, depends on the situation) to feel frustrated about this. This is extremely poor planning and shortsightedness from Sony who shouldn't let such things occur especially after putting online gaming behind a paywall.

I hope this gets resolved asap so those who wanted to enjoy the demo can do so...I know quite a few have been waiting for it
 
Xer0 said:
Not entirely, we aren't. Yes, we received 5 of the 6 promised titles yesterday. That still leaves one. They still haven't explained why.

Is there any other situation you can think of where, you pay full price for something, you only receive 84% of it with no explanation, and, then just shrug it off?
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they promise 6 titles a month
they gave us 6 titles this month
Driveclub is a bonus game

bad analogy time:

You hire a caterer. the caterer is like "Hey man thanks for hiring us as a bonus we'll bring a tray of cinnamon rolls" and then the caterer shows up and says "damn man we forgot the cinammon rolls can we bring em later?" and then you decide to burn their building down.
 
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