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[Vein]

You are quite the character. Please, do go on. It's always fun to watch a meltdown.

How is this a meltdown? So when someone writes a full paragraph or two on Neogaf now it is a meltdown? I'm pretty okay here right now. I just got up. In fact I feel great. I'm not sure you read my paragraph correctly or you just don't seem to be able to discern what I am saying. That's okay with me.

That doesn't change the crazy tone of this thread as a whole. Does everyone have to agree with the negative side in this thread?

 

[Miles Quaritch]

What lol. I didn't single anyone out? I just come in this thread after purchasing the game and I cannot believe it. Why? Does no one ever have any problems in real life? You guys want to get so cozy with devs.... and yet there are threads like this that seem to HATE every last evolution developer to the bitter end for a demo of a game.

All I have to ask is why? They promised you something. It didn't appear as they said. Please try and get over it. Let's get over it together.

The HEAD of the Sony already spoke. He said delayed until further notice. I have no idea why anyone has anything more to say is all. Especially some of the comments that appear to get personal. To me this thread is crazy. Like literally insane. Even if I didn't spend 75 dollars on the game this thread is still batshit insane. Not all of it mind you. But plenty of these comments are ridiculous.

For the record I did read the whole thread when it got bumped.

How is this a meltdown? So when someone writes a full paragraph or two on Neogaf now it is a meltdown? I'm pretty okay here right now. I just got up. In fact I feel great. I'm not sure you read my paragraph correctly or you just don't seem to be able to discern what I am saying. That's okay with me.

That doesn't change the crazy tone of this thread as a whole. Does everyone have to agree with the negative side in this thread?

 

[Vein]

More or less two things: it seems there are drama queens here who when someone posts something concerning they feel they should build these posts up by quoting them. By quoting them a lot it seems people want to get someone banned. Furthermore, it seems these people are the same people, posting over and over.

I mean, you can keep quoting me instead of responding to me I guess.

I can understand why people are mad when they purchased PS Plus for this. But for the people in the thread that get personal with Evo themselves lol? How am I supposed to agree with that.

So to stay on topic: this thread keeps getting bumped.

My original question summed up: WHAT do you people want? What should Sony do to satisfy you? Shu said it will more or less probably be 1-3 months.

In that time, since there are so many pissed people, what course of action should be taken to appease you? I guess after reading this thread I don't understand at this point what people want or why they are still so mad?

 

[Rip]

lol

 

[mclem]

All I have to ask is why? They promised you something. It didn't appear as they said. Please try and get over it. Let's get over it together.

"Ya know, things break"

Regardless, those people would have spent $50 strictly to gain access to a gimped version of a $60 game. And, if they decided they'd like the full version, they'd have to pay $50 more. Does this sound reasonable to anyone?

The PS+ edition of DriveClub can absolutely be an important component of the decision to purchase PS+, it's not an all-or-nothing analysis. People have every right to be disappointed that a promised, highly-promoted component hasn't materialised, even when that's not the sole benefit they're getting from it.

 

[Doukou]

A good gesture would be to apologize for a missing item in Ps+ and in return give you a week or 2 for free.

 

[Vein]

A good gesture would be to apologize for a missing item in Ps+ and in return give you a week or 2 for free.

I could agree with a month free of PS Plus. Does anyone think that when it is finally solved they will do so....

or are the full games, the major games I guess now coming to PS Plus, some sort of silent here take this compensation?

I would have thought KZ and such were planned for PS Plus from the beginning.... so I am not sure I see that as compensation. Same with Injustice although that is pretty cool they are giving that one away.

 

[GoldenCrow]

Did anyone actually specifically pay £39.99/$49.99/€44.99 for a 12 months subscription to access a demo?

If so then you might actually be an idiot. Especially when you can buy the game of Amazon since launch for less or the exact same price as PS+ depending upon the region.

 

[bigbaldwolf86]

Did anyone actually specifically pay £39.99/$49.99/€44.99 for a 12 months subscription to access a demo?

If so then you might actually be an idiot. Especially when you can buy the game of Amazon since launch for less or the exact same price as PS+ depending upon the region.

You would still need plus to be able to play it online

 

[GoldenCrow]

You would still need plus to be able to play it online

Strange response. Just like almost every other game on the PS4, if you want to play online and the game hasn't been given the free online treatment like FF14 then you gotta hand over the cash.

 

[Shaneus]

theres a lot of games out finally, so i don't have to cling to the hope of this coming out anytime soon for now.

It is out. Came out before Far Cry 4, in fact.

 

[JJD]

Nevermind.

 

[soundscream]

More or less two things: it seems there are drama queens here who when someone posts something concerning they feel they should build these posts up by quoting them. By quoting them a lot it seems people want to get someone banned. Furthermore, it seems these people are the same people, posting over and over.

I mean, you can keep quoting me instead of responding to me I guess.

I can understand why people are mad when they purchased PS Plus for this. But for the people in the thread that get personal with Evo themselves lol? How am I supposed to agree with that.

So to stay on topic: this thread keeps getting bumped.

My original question summed up: WHAT do you people want? What should Sony do to satisfy you? Shu said it will more or less probably be 1-3 months.

In that time, since there are so many pissed people, what course of action should be taken to appease you? I guess after reading this thread I don't understand at this point what people want or why they are still so mad?

People get personal all the time on GAF, around the time of Forza 5 launch a poster said Dan Greenawalt deserved to have his head caved in, and wasn't banned for it. Its not something limited to this thread.

As to what they should do, a larger PS+ discount. Take another $10 off the price and give the people who bought it at the old price another month of PS+.

 

[Sophistical Bunt]

Did anyone actually specifically pay £39.99/$49.99/€44.99 for a 12 months subscription to access a demo?

This is how the design director of the game described the PS+ Edition: -

You can earn the platinum trophy in the PS+ Edition, remember its the full game minus a few cars/tracks.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=79403849&postcount=1714

I wouldn't really call that a demo.

Besides which, the upgrade to the full version of the game was going to be sold at a discounted price, so PS+ and the upgrade would have cost less than the full game and the PS+ sub required to play it online. The way it was described combined with the cheaper cost of trying out the "full game minus a few cars and tracks" and then upgrading is why people wanted it. It's not people paying £40 for a demo.

 

[derExperte]

LOL there's people who bought 12 months of plus just to have access to DC free version? if that's the case they are a little dumb, they could have bought 3 months subscription at the release of the game then...

Some did. Needless to say they weren't happy either.

 

[d9b]

How is this a meltdown? So when someone writes a full paragraph or two on Neogaf now it is a meltdown? I'm pretty okay here right now. I just got up. In fact I feel great. I'm not sure you read my paragraph correctly or you just don't seem to be able to discern what I am saying. That's okay with me.

That doesn't change the crazy tone of this thread as a whole. Does everyone have to agree with the negative side in this thread?

Sure sounds like a meltdown to me. Also thread shitting. But please, do tell us more.

 

[Octacamo]

How do you guys feel, if they release the PS+ Edition exactly a year after they have launched the game?

 

[Guileless]

Yeah, I agree that it has issues, but I can wait. I'm still playing Mordor and Lords of the Fallen and there's Akiba's Trip and Never Alone coming out. Then there's GTAV which I'm probably gonna get for xmas. Like I said, I can wait.

"I can wait." Ok, good for you? Those games you mentioned are not racing games. A year after launch, PS4 owners have a grand total of two auto racing games, one is a year old and one has its major feature broken. Of course people are miffed.

 

[GodofWine]

How do you guys feel, if they release the PS+ Edition exactly a year after they have launched the game?

Huh?

Why not make it two years, it'll make your hypothetical question more inflammatory.


Hey how would you feel if they released it 5 years after the release of the ps5 as a streaming ps now game only? Lol,

 

[spwolf]

I could agree with a month free of PS Plus. Does anyone think that when it is finally solved they will do so....

or are the full games, the major games I guess now coming to PS Plus, some sort of silent here take this compensation?

I would have thought KZ and such were planned for PS Plus from the beginning.... so I am not sure I see that as compensation. Same with Injustice although that is pretty cool they are giving that one away.

It is pretty silly to say that KZ and Injustice were "planned for PS+" thus they are worthless to you because you expected them?

If DC PS+ was only thing in PS+, then I would agree with you... In any case, right now they have to take care of people who purchased the game.

 

[BumRush]

For everyone that actually bought a sub in advance ONLY for DC+ (and there are some claiming that), ummmm why? If that was the only thing that interested you, you should've waited until, you know, the thing you wanted actually came out...?

 

[Oersted]

Did anyone actually specifically pay £39.99/$49.99/€44.99 for a 12 months subscription to access a demo?

If so then you might actually be an idiot. Especially when you can buy the game of Amazon since launch for less or the exact same price as PS+ depending upon the region.

They promised it, they heavily advertised it. They didn't deliver. I would say there is no need for your strawman.

 

[Vein]

It is pretty silly to say that KZ and Injustice were "planned for PS+" thus they are worthless to you because you expected them?

If DC PS+ was only thing in PS+, then I would agree with you... In any case, right now they have to take care of people who purchased the game.

That isn't what I am saying at all. Both are great games. I am not sure that is the compensation some in this thread want though. I don't want any compensation more than the DLC they already gave the buyers. if KZ and Injustice on PS Plus is compensation then great too. Knack will be next I am sure although I have that on disc.

 

[sturgboski]

Its so totally free that some people bought 12 months of PS+ so they could play it, only for it to be delayed twice, then suspended indefinitely. and their sub is now up so the only way to play it totally free is to pay for more PS+ subs.

Well sure I guess that could be the case. People could have bought a year of PS+ just for this game and not at all for other free games or, crucially, the ability to play this game or any game online. I find that argument a bit hard to believe when the best selling games since launch have been online multiplayer focused, which requires PS+, but yes free Driveclub was the main deciding factor for people to get PS+.

 

[Petrie]

Well sure I guess that could be the case. People could have bought a year of PS+ just for this game and not at all for other free games or, crucially, the ability to play this game or any game online. I find that argument a bit hard yo believe when the best selling games since launch have been online multiplayer focused, which requires PS+, but yes free Driveclub was the main deciding factor for people to get PS+.

The offer of a game like this was one of the deciding factors for me when it came to PS4 over One, and on subbing to PS+. Was it the only factor? No. but it was definitely one of them, and I got my sub with my console at launch with that as a major reason. That year sub has no run out.

You don't get to decide why others did things and the way things effect them.

 

[Vein]

Just think though guys.... when PS Plus in finally introduced to the game, it's actually going to be the best version it can be, more than probably AFTER weather. Kind of like KZ lol. Even though KZ mp numbers are low when the game hits PS Plus it's going to be miles better than when it hit at launch.

I know people may have lost interest or whatever, but PS Plus people are going to get a way better look at the best this game can be. Even photo mode was a huge plus, as it is fun seeing this game with near perfect IQ with the cars.

So at least they are releasing some bigger games on PS Plus and these users will also not get a half-baked launch game either.

 

[bigbaldwolf86]

Strange response. Just like almost every other game on the PS4, if you want to play online and the game hasn't been given the free online treatment like FF14 then you gotta hand over the cash.

I don't understand why it's a strange response. You claimed it would be cheaper to buy the game (and you would need plus to use the full features ) rather than buy plus when in fact it's probably cheaper to buy plus and then buy the upgrade version.

 

[GoldenCrow]

I don't understand why it's a strange response. You claimed it would be cheaper to buy the game (and you would need plus to use the full features ) rather than buy plus when in fact it's probably cheaper to buy plus and then buy the upgrade version.

Yup it is cheaper to do it that way but I asked if people bought PS+ specifically to play the PS+ edition of the game. Doesn't really make much sense to do that now does it, and its not like they couldn't do what you stated anyway as I bought the discount version. If they were only interested in the DC PS+ edition then why didn't they just buy a month after the game was on the service, you know to maximise the amount of time they could use the service and not waste as much money if they didn't like it.

Strange response because it doesn't really have anything to do with what I wrote.

They promised it, they heavily advertised it. They didn't deliver. I would say there is no need for your strawman.

You are correct they did advertise and didn't deliver, however a person a few posts above mentioned that people bought PS+ specifically for the PS+ edition when the game wasn't even on the service. Only person to blame there is the person who jumped the gun a bit especially as products getting pulled on subscription services in general is nothing new and the reason the service providers make you accept T&C's.

 

[Effigenius]

Has this come out yet? I haven't heard anything about it. Did it come out a few weeks ago and I missed it? If it's not out, was it addressed at the PSX?

 

[Leafhopper]

Has this come out yet? I haven't heard anything about it. Did it come out a few weeks ago and I missed it? If it's not out, was it addressed at the PSX?

No, no and no it wasn't addressed, nothing about Driveclub was even mentioned.

 

[Effigenius]

No, no and no it wasn't addressed, nothing about Driveclub was even mentioned.

Jesus. I can't believe the free pass Sony gets over this. This was such an epic fuck up from the moment they scaled it down from what they promised, to Rushy deleting his own posts so they could claim they always intended that buying the full version from the Plus version via the discount meant you would lose access to the game if you let your sub die, to just flat out not even releasing the damn thing 2 months after launch. Awful way to treat your customers. They really should have just made the whole game free.

 

[Cudder]

Jesus. I can't believe the free pass Sony gets over this. This was such an epic fuck up from the moment they scaled it down from what they promised, to Rushy deleting his own posts so they could claim they always intended that buying the full version from the Plus version via the discount meant you would lose access to the game if you let your sub die, to just flat out not even releasing the damn thing 2 months after launch. Awful way to treat your customers. They really should have just made the whole game free.

They're only now just getting the whole package working in the retail version. I don't think the PS+ version is far off.

Sony have gotten anything but a "free pass" from all of this, fyi.

 

[Raist]

Jesus. I can't believe the free pass Sony gets over this. This was such an epic fuck up from the moment they scaled it down from what they promised, to Rushy deleting his own posts so they could claim they always intended that buying the full version from the Plus version via the discount meant you would lose access to the game if you let your sub die, to just flat out not even releasing the damn thing 2 months after launch. Awful way to treat your customers. They really should have just made the whole game free.

Yes. They also should come to everyone's house to do their dishes and stuff.

 

[test_account]

Jesus. I can't believe the free pass Sony gets over this. This was such an epic fuck up from the moment they scaled it down from what they promised, to Rushy deleting his own posts so they could claim they always intended that buying the full version from the Plus version via the discount meant you would lose access to the game if you let your sub die, to just flat out not even releasing the damn thing 2 months after launch. Awful way to treat your customers. They really should have just made the whole game free.

This thread on NeoGAF alone is nearly 3300 posts big, and the PS+ upgrade thing (which is water under the bridge now since you get to keep it even if your PS+ subscription ends), that thread got over 2000 posts on NeoGAF alone, so i wont say that its getting a free pass. The whole point with the PS+ version was to get people to try out the game, and hopefully like it that much that they bought the full version. Giving out the full version would make the PS+ version kinda pointless. You also kinda make it sounds (at least in my opinion) that they are holding back the PS+ version on purpose, as in treating the consumer badly like this. I'm pretty sure that there are legit reasons for why it hasnt been released yet.

What did they scale down on by the way?

 

[Agent X]

Over five months later, the PS+ Edition is still missing in action, with no update from either Sony or Evolution on when it will finally arrive.

Remember this statement from back in October?

Update: We know many of you were looking forward to playing the promised PS Plus Edition and we are truly sorry for the delay. Our first priority is to provide you with the best possible experience while playing DRIVECLUB. With the high volume of new players and additional server load the PS Plus Edition is anticipated to bring, we are currently not confident that we can guarantee the best online experience. Until we can ensure that everyone can enjoy the full social connected online experience, we will be postponing the release of the PS Plus Edition until further notice.

Evidently, after all of these months, the online servers for this game are still in such shoddy condition that Sony still considers it unsuitable to release the PS+ Edition, for fear of giving PS4 owners a bad impression with a substandard online experience. I already thought this was poorly handled after just a week or two of delays, but more than five months? It's just a complete disaster now. I'm surprised the video game media hasn't made a bigger deal about this.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If the online component is in such horrible shape that they feel obligated to refrain from releasing the PS+ Edition because it would reflect poorly on the quality of the game, then why in pluperfect hell should anyone spend real money on this product?

I'm not sure if that's the message Sony and Evolution intended to communicate by their announcements, but that is the message that they have actually communicated by virtue of their actions (or lack thereof).

 

[xxracerxx]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If the online component is in such horrible shape that they feel obligated to refrain from releasing the PS+ Edition because it would reflect poorly on the quality of the game, then why in pluperfect hell should anyone spend real money on this product?

Because gauging off of the majority of impressions in the OT it is a fun racing experience for the console.

They should definitely deliver the PS+ version as promised at some point, I just feel people have given up on it.

 

[EightBitNate]

Over five months later, the PS+ Edition is still missing in action, with no update from either Sony or Evolution on when it will finally arrive.

Remember this statement from back in October?



Evidently, after all of these months, the online servers for this game are still in such shoddy condition that Sony still considers it unsuitable to release the PS+ Edition, for fear of giving PS4 owners a bad impression with a substandard online experience. I already thought this was poorly handled after just a week or two of delays, but more than five months? It's just a complete disaster now. I'm surprised the video game media hasn't made a bigger deal about this.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If the online component is in such horrible shape that they feel obligated to refrain from releasing the PS+ Edition because it would reflect poorly on the quality of the game, then why in pluperfect hell should anyone spend real money on this product?

I'm not sure if that's the message Sony and Evolution intended to communicate by their announcements, but that is the message that they have actually communicated by virtue of their actions (or lack thereof).

The PS+ edition was never going to be taken seriously, I bet. It was just a carrot on a stick the whole time.

 

[spawnsniper]

My 2 cents is that it will continue to be delayed for a while then given free to ps subscribers (the whole game not just the "ps plus edition")

 

[krioto]

why in pluperfect hell should anyone spend real money on this product?[/b]

because its awesome

 

[xxracerxx]

My 2 cents is that it will continue to be delayed for a while then given free to ps subscribers (the whole game not just the "ps plus edition")

I am starting to feel this way as well.

Announce it on stage at E3 and have it available for download that day.

 

[Simply Sami]

My 2 cents is that it will continue to be delayed for a while then given free to ps subscribers (the whole game not just the "ps plus edition")

Yeah because that will magically solve things. The problem at the moment is the effect on the servers when millions of people want to play their ps plus game.

The problem they face is that even if they buy more servers. The fact is after a few months people will stop playing the game.

 

[le-seb]

The PS+ edition was never going to be taken seriously, I bet. It was just a carrot on a stick the whole time.

A carrot on a stick that actually released for few hours in Asia and that a GAFfer could download.

 

[Kosma]

Sony should offer something to compensate ps+ subscribers

 

[BigTnaples]

Over five months later, the PS+ Edition is still missing in action, with no update from either Sony or Evolution on when it will finally arrive.

Remember this statement from back in October?



Evidently, after all of these months, the online servers for this game are still in such shoddy condition that Sony still considers it unsuitable to release the PS+ Edition, for fear of giving PS4 owners a bad impression with a substandard online experience. I already thought this was poorly handled after just a week or two of delays, but more than five months? It's just a complete disaster now. I'm surprised the video game media hasn't made a bigger deal about this.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If the online component is in such horrible shape that they feel obligated to refrain from releasing the PS+ Edition because it would reflect poorly on the quality of the game, then why in pluperfect hell should anyone spend real money on this product?

I'm not sure if that's the message Sony and Evolution intended to communicate by their announcements, but that is the message that they have actually communicated by virtue of their actions (or lack thereof).

Seriously? Why bump his thread? There are multiple threads since about the same topic.

 

[AnthonypUK]

Sony should offer something to compensate ps+ subscribers

They already did, they had a replacement psn+ game for it.

 

[doomquake]

They already did, they had a replacement psn+ game for it.

Yeah psplus has been pretty decent...

 

[Agent X]

Seriously? Why bump his thread? There are multiple threads since about the same topic.

What other thread would you have suggested that I bump instead?

This is the "big" thread about this topic. It was started several months ago when the issue first began, and the situation is ongoing.

 

[IAmRandom31]

It's probably the easiest thing to realize, why they are not doing it.

Look at the backlash against the game when it released ( despite its incredible quality ) due to the online issues.

That was what, 800k - 1,000,000 people maybe WW?

Now image they release the game, in limited form even, WW to 10,000,000 PS+ subscribers. Lets say even 10% of those people download it ( would prob be many more then that ). Thats 1,000,000 people downloading and jumping into the game at once again.

Servers die again

Complaints against game renew

More threads and more news stories and backlash against the title.

If they are not confident they have the server capacity or netcode to support the rollout of a PS+ version, they won't do it.

 

[mzupeman]

They already did, they had a replacement psn+ game for it.

That's not compensation. They had to fill the gap with something. Period.

Driveclub was used as a way to lessen the blow of throwing multiplayer behind the PS+ pay wall. "But you get a free AAA exclusive if you're a member! Driveclub!"

That never became reality. It was just a series of delays and broken promises. It went from being the complete game 'minus a few cars and tracks' to being 'a version of the game with only a few cars and tracks', and then it just didn't happen at launch when it was supposed to.

"We wanted to wait until the server issues are resolved before we delivers the ps+ version."

Okay. So where is it?

"Don't worry, we are still committed."

Why? Why waste any more time and money to provide the ps+ version? It doesn't make sense at this point. I'm betting, like others, that we will see this game become a 'free' PS+ offering one month, possibly near the end of the year. This game will not continue to sell very well, and most of its user base will likely have died off by late 2015. They'll have very little to lose by doing this.

 

[Kosma]

What was the replacement game?

I mean some real compensation not just filler.