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[GeordieMark]

There is a big difference between comparing the PS+ edition delay to BF4, D3, Sim City, etc.

Those other games were paid products. And you could only play them online. Granted, this situation is murky, because you are going to have people claim that they bought PS+ only because they would get DC for free.

But to those people I say...PS+ is $50, why wouldn't you just buy DC itself at that point? If that's the sole reason you signed up for the service.

However, I don't think you can directly compare this launch and the amount of shit it's getting, to the launch and amount of shit Sim City, BF4, and D3 received. I'm not defending the DC launch though. Shit needs to be rectified. I'm just saying you can't compare it to those other games.

I know what you are saying, but I think people are comparing the regular version to those games.

I'd also say DC is supposed to be an online game, although it does function offline. The whole point of DC is the club aspect and that relies on a working internet connection. Without that part of the game, it's extremely bare bones and more akin to a £20 game than a full price game.

So yes, it does work offline, but you aren't getting anywhere near the full experience.

 

[Griss]

There is a big difference between comparing the PS+ edition delay to BF4, D3, Sim City, etc.

Those other games were paid products. And you could only play them online. Granted, this situation is murky, because you are going to have people claim that they bought PS+ only because they would get DC for free.

But to those people I say...PS+ is $50, why wouldn't you just buy DC itself at that point? If that's the sole reason you signed up for the service.

However, I don't think you can directly compare this launch and the amount of shit it's getting, to the launch and amount of shit Sim City, BF4, and D3 received. I'm not defending the DC launch though. Shit needs to be rectified. I'm just saying you can't compare it to those other games.

Why can't you compare this to BF4? It's the same situation, surely? I bought BF4 for PS4 on release day. Single player worked fine. Multiplayer had two issues - not connecting to matches and awful lag followed by disconnecting from matches. Yes, it was horrible, but 50% of my matches worked okay and were tons of fun. That wasn't good enough, so I put the game down until it was fixed. However that seems entirely similar to what's happening with Driveclub, no? Single player working, online and social features busted half the time? What do you think the difference is other than Sony/Evolution having tons of goodwill and EA having none?

 

[Hugstable]

There is a big difference between comparing the PS+ edition delay to BF4, D3, Sim City, etc.

Those other games were paid products. And you could only play them online. Granted, this situation is murky, because you are going to have people claim that they bought PS+ only because they would get DC for free.

But to those people I say...PS+ is $50, why wouldn't you just buy DC itself at that point? If that's the sole reason you signed up for the service.

However, I don't think you can directly compare this launch and the amount of shit it's getting, to the launch and amount of shit Sim City, BF4, and D3 received. I'm not defending the DC launch though. Shit needs to be rectified. I'm just saying you can't compare it to those other games.

I believe the people comparing it to BF4 and Sim City are doing it to the paid game and not comparing it to the unreleased PS+ version. The paid game still has problems even working with multiplayer races, let alone leaderboards and challenges and people have been reporting disconnects left and right. Plus head scratching decisions like locking cars behind clubs, and if you are offline and the connection doesn't work you can't use those cars. Really love what I play of this game, but my god these problems are hurting it big time.

 

[flyinpiranha]

Im sorry but did I say anywhere that people should just buy the full version of Driveclub and deal with the current online problems? No I didn’t, what I said was that the delay of the PS+ version was disappointing but not worthy of the pure hatred some people in this thread are coming out with. And let me remind you, this thread is about the PS+ version, not the full games current problems so please refrain from assuming that’s what I’m talking about.

If people bought the full game and aren’t happy with the state of it then they should contact Sony and get a refund, I would do the same if I was in their shoes.
What people who are saying the company (Sony who isn’t developing the game but just publishing it) are a joke because of this one issue need to do is deal with it because this isn’t the same situation as those who bought the full game for £50. Either wait for it to drop and try it out or move on, it’s as simple as that.

More of a generic rant and a bad assumption on my part. I apologize. I don't agree with the hyperbole of people losing their jobs and shit.

There is a big difference between comparing the PS+ edition delay to BF4, D3, Sim City, etc.

Those other games were paid products. And you could only play them online. Granted, this situation is murky, because you are going to have people claim that they bought PS+ only because they would get DC for free.

But to those people I say...PS+ is $50, why wouldn't you just buy DC itself at that point? If that's the sole reason you signed up for the service.

However, I don't think you can directly compare this launch and the amount of shit it's getting, to the launch and amount of shit Sim City, BF4, and D3 received. I'm not defending the DC launch though. Shit needs to be rectified. I'm just saying you can't compare it to those other games.

I've explained this, and I can only for MY situation. I don't play online much in many games, I don't give a shit about 90% of the PS+ games. When I bought PS+ I did not own a Vita, did not own a PS3. I love racing games. Have spent close to a $1000 on a setup with various games, parts, additions.

When DC was announced, it was supposed to be an awesome racer that "hopefully" still supported wheel setups and was "The full game minus a few© cars and tracks".

That's what it was stated as, that what it was sold as, that's what they told us. Having had the PS4 pre-ordered already I thought "holy shit, PS+ is basically getting me a huge chunk of what looks to be the best looking racing game I've seen" so BEFORE THE PS4 launched, BEFORE DC had the delays BEFORE the major announcements and letdowns of wheel support, I snagged a cheap PS+ 1 year sub on Amazon and was going to use it when the PS4 launched (I figured once the PS4 launched that PS+ might go up in price so a sale was the best bet) and have a kick ass racing game to boot.

Was it my fault for believing what Sony said? Yes.
Was it my fault for prepurchasing Plus based on what they said would be an "almost complete" game? Yes.

But, is it their fault for backtracking, editing posts, changing the wording, and then relegating the PS+ to "demo land"? Yes.
Is it their fault for a clusterfuck of a launch almost a year after a delay? Yes.

I will not be renewing PS+. I will not be buying DC new at all on principle. I may like it, but that bridge has been burned and I'll pick it up cheap as shit used on CL or something. There's a reason I'm in this thread a lot. It's because I think it's bullshit how many people are giving DC a free pass, if more people spoke up when shitty launches happened they wouldn't be the "norm".

I think they CAN be directly compared to those launches, especially Sim City and BF4 who had "parts" of their game that were perfectly fine while "parts" were not usable. D3 was fixed fairly quickly though, I'll admit that.

While I may be a small snowflake in my circumstances (I basically bought PS+ for the PS+ edition) I don't think it's unfair to say that the PS+ users that want their PS+ service to deliver on what was supposed to happen are in a different camp than the people who paid for the game. They are both users of a service that aren't getting what they paid for.

 

[j-wood]

Why can't you compare this to BF4? It's the same situation, surely? I bought BF4 for PS4 on release day. Single player worked fine. Multiplayer had two issues - not connecting to matches and awful lag followed by disconnecting from matches. Yes, it was horrible, but 50% of my matches worked okay and were tons of fun. That wasn't good enough, so I put the game down until it was fixed. However that seems entirely similar to what's happening with Driveclub, no? Single player working, online and social features busted half the time? What do you think the difference is other than Sony/Evolution having tons of goodwill and EA having none?

Well let's be real here. BF4 had more problems than the server infrastructure being broken. The fucking game was broken.

I haven't played DC yet, but does it have glitches where you car falls off the map, or you bump another car and go through them, or you try to accelerate and nothing happens?

For the online component, yeah, you can compare the two. But I still think BF4 deserved way more shit. And again, I'm not defending DC, the outrage is justified. Just saying it's no where near BF4 levels.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

they failed to honor their commitment. whether unintentionally or deliberately, they misled consumers. simple enough for ya?

Games are delayed all the damn time, are you gonna go write up a thread calling Rocksteady a joke because they didn’t release Arkham Knight when they said they would? Or how about RAD with The Order? Or any other game that gets delayed?

I understand it’s a little different because PS+ is involved and it’s a subscription service but the official line for PS+ is 2 games for each platform a month which is exactly what they did this month. Driveclub PS+ was an extra, yes one that was promised to us for the same day as the Driveclub release but that isn’t enough to start coming out with such hatred and hyperbole as some people in this thread are doing.

I want to try it as much as anyone else and as such am really disappointed that it has yet to come out but some of the comments in this thread are ridiculous.

More of a generic rant and a bad assumption on my part. I apologize.

No worries, when I post I get pretty riled up (Since im normally motivated to post by harsh comments) so I know how it is

 

[impact]

I'm pretty disappointed that the PS+ version still isn't out. I've pretty much given up hope that we'll see it this month. No matter, I will still be eagerly awaiting its arrival with open arms

I'm disappointed the game still doesn't work 2 weeks later. And I paid for it.

 

[OnionPowder]

Why can't you compare this to BF4? It's the same situation, surely? I bought BF4 for PS4 on release day. Single player worked fine. Multiplayer had two issues - not connecting to matches and awful lag followed by disconnecting from matches. Yes, it was horrible, but 50% of my matches worked okay and were tons of fun. That wasn't good enough, so I put the game down until it was fixed. However that seems entirely similar to what's happening with Driveclub, no? Single player working, online and social features busted half the time? What do you think the difference is other than Sony/Evolution having tons of goodwill and EA having none?

Well actually BF4 single player "worked" but it would delete your save constantly so it's worse.

 

[tanooki27]

Games are delayed all the damn time, are you gonna go write up a thread calling Rocksteady a joke because they didn’t release Arkham Knight when they said they would? Or how about RAD with The Order? Or any other game that gets delayed.

are you joking? they released the game already. how in the hell is Arkham knight or the order even tangentially related?

you're reaching.

 

[Jo-El]

Games are delayed all the damn time, are you gonna go write up a thread calling Rocksteady a joke because they didn’t release Arkham Knight when they said they would? Or how about RAD with The Order? Or any other game that gets delayed?

I understand it’s a little different because PS+ is involved and it’s a subscription service but the official line for PS+ is 2 games for each platform a month which is exactly what they did this month. Driveclub PS+ was an extra, yes one that was promised to us for the same day as the Driveclub release but that isn’t enough to start coming out with such hatred and hyperbole as some people in this thread are doing.

I want to try it as much as anyone else and as such am really disappointed that it has yet to come out but some of the comments in this thread are ridiculous.

If they delayed their games the day they were set to release, I'm pretty sure people would be upset with them too.

Also, Driveclub PS+ Edition was announced on stage as "a huge AAA tile" for PS+. They made a big deal about it then. They might be downplaying it as an extra/demo now, but that's not what they announced it as.

 

[Griss]

Well let's be real here. BF4 had more problems than the server infrastructure being broken. The fucking game was broken.

I haven't played DC yet, but does it have glitches where you car falls off the map, or you bump another car and go through them, or you try to accelerate and nothing happens?

For the online component, yeah, you can compare the two. But I still think BF4 deserved way more shit. And again, I'm not defending DC, the outrage is justified. Just saying it's no where near BF4 levels.

Well actually BF4 single player "worked" but it would delete your save constantly so it's worse.

I never had any of those problems with BF4 so I can't really comment on them. Obviously if that was happening all the time then that's pretty terrible. I'm not defending that launch anyway, it was awful. But I still got a lot of enjoyment out of it. I feel like Driveclub is similar, but again that's just my experience. It's broken but people are still managing to enjoy it.

 

[Abusive_Red]

Why can't you compare this to BF4? It's the same situation, surely? I bought BF4 for PS4 on release day. Single player worked fine. Multiplayer had two issues - not connecting to matches and awful lag followed by disconnecting from matches. Yes, it was horrible, but 50% of my matches worked okay and were tons of fun. That wasn't good enough, so I put the game down until it was fixed. However that seems entirely similar to what's happening with Driveclub, no? Single player working, online and social features busted half the time? What do you think the difference is other than Sony/Evolution having tons of goodwill and EA having none?

Don't forget 64 man CQL not being active at launch.Single player worked fine as long as you didn't mind your progress not saving.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

I'm disappointed the game still doesn't work 2 weeks later. And I paid for it.

Yeah, that's the bigger problem, IMO.

I can wait for the PS+ Edition, because for me it's just a bonus, but people who actually bought DC and still can't play it to its full potential absolutely have my sympathy.

 

[Hugstable]

Yeah, that's the bigger problem, IMO.

I can wait for the PS+ Edition, because for me it's just a bonus, but people who actually bought DC and still can't play it to its full potential absolutely have my sympathy.

Yeah it sucks, I'm like a third of the way through the events, but I'm waiting til everything is working for sure since if you are offline you don't really contribute points to your club, plus the club cars themselves are really useful. Alot of times recently it actually does connect up to the club, but if you try to multiplayer race it disconnects and then the whole game stays disconnected for a bit. It's really strange and hope they get it fixed soon for those of us who actually put down the 50-60$. I'm giving it to next week though at least before I try to ask for a refund, I really love what I've played so far, and the sound design is brilliant, but it sucks when much of the core functions of the game aren't working at all, and after awhile I need Multiplayer races, the single player events only last so long.

 

[hellmonkey]

I will not be renewing PS+. I will not be buying DC new at all on principle. I may like it, but that bridge has been burned and I'll pick it up cheap as shit used on CL or something. There's a reason I'm in this thread a lot. It's because I think it's bullshit how many people are giving DC a free pass, if more people spoke up when shitty launches happened they wouldn't be the "norm".

This is how studios end up closing. Evo is a good studio. They messed up and are trying to fix it. I understand being frustrated, but if you like the game, then buy it from retail after its been fixed. Its a crappy situation, but its far from the worst thing to happen in gaming, which is what a lot of people are making it out to be.

The game is good, even without the fully function online, and if you are a racing fan, you should play it. Hell, do what I did and rent it from redbox or gamefly to try first. Id buy it right now if I had the money.

On a side note, let this be a lesson for you. Don't buy product A that is a prerequisite for product B until you actually buy product B.

 

[j-wood]

More of a generic rant and a bad assumption on my part. I apologize.



I've explained this, and I can only for MY situation. I don't play online much in many games, I don't give a shit about 90% of the PS+ games. When I bought PS+ I did not own a Vita, did not own a PS3. I love racing games. Have spent close to a $1000 on a setup with various games, parts, additions.

When DC was announced, it was supposed to be an awesome racer that "hopefully" still supported wheel setups and was "The full game minus a few© cars and tracks".

That's what it was stated as, that what it was sold as, that's what they told us. Having had the PS4 pre-ordered already I thought "holy shit, PS+ is basically getting me a huge chunk of what looks to be the best looking racing game I've seen" so BEFORE THE PS4 launched, BEFORE DC had the delays BEFORE the major announcements and letdowns of wheel support, I snagged a cheap PS+ 1 year sub on Amazon and was going to use it when the PS4 launched (I figured once the PS4 launched that PS+ might go up in price so a sale was the best bet) and have a kick ass racing game to boot.

Was it my fault for believing what Sony said? Yes.
Was it my fault for prepurchasing Plus based on what they said would be an "almost complete" game? Yes.

But, is it their fault for backtracking, editing posts, changing the wording, and then relegating the PS+ to "demo land"? Yes.
Is it their fault for a clusterfuck of a launch almost a year after a delay? Yes.

I will not be renewing PS+. I will not be buying DC new at all on principle. I may like it, but that bridge has been burned and I'll pick it up cheap as shit used on CL or something. There's a reason I'm in this thread a lot. It's because I think it's bullshit how many people are giving DC a free pass, if more people spoke up when shitty launches happened they wouldn't be the "norm".

I think they CAN be directly compared to those launches, especially Sim City and BF4 who had "parts" of their game that were perfectly fine while "parts" were not usable. D3 was fixed fairly quickly though, I'll admit that.

While I may be a small snowflake in my circumstances (I basically bought PS+ for the PS+ edition) I don't think it's unfair to say that the PS+ users that want their PS+ service to deliver on what was supposed to happen are in a different camp than the people who paid for the game. They are both users of a service that aren't getting what they paid for.

I mean I get that man. But you said yourself, you don't care about 90% of the plus games...so why wouldn't you just buy DC if that was the only reason you were getting plus for?

Plenty of people speak about about shitty launches. BF4, Sim City, D3 all had enormous outage. Shitty launches still happen.

 

[GeordieMark]

Well let's be real here. BF4 had more problems than the server infrastructure being broken. The fucking game was broken.

I haven't played DC yet, but does it have glitches where you car falls off the map, or you bump another car and go through them, or you try to accelerate and nothing happens?

For the online component, yeah, you can compare the two. But I still think BF4 deserved way more shit. And again, I'm not defending DC, the outrage is justified. Just saying it's no where near BF4 levels.

The thing is, the server infrastructure being broken means the game is broken because it relies on the server structure for a lot of it's advertised functionality. The game is called Driveclub and is built around online clubs. If these don't work, effectively the game doesn't work! I don't have any incentive to play the game as it is as whenever I earn points, they are not being counted towards my club because I'm very rarely connected to the server. The points I earn offline don't count towards the club.

I also think people are being incredibly understanding of the fact that weather is missing. We are talking about a game that was supposed to be a launch game! At least BF4 wasn't missing content at launch.

The only people who really should be defending this game are Sony and Evolution, and only for PR purposes. I may have been forgiving if I thought the game had been rushed out to meet the console launch, but it was granted an extra year of dev time. If you own the game, or intend on downloading the free version, I can't understand why anyone would stick up for it.

 

[Pillville]

This is how studios end up closing. Evo is a good studio. They messed up and are trying to fix it.

I don't understand these posts. This studio is not your friend, it's a business. They made a non-working product, and consumers don't want to waste money on this product.

 

[Lulu23]

I mean I get that man. But you said yourself, you don't care about 90% of the plus games...so why wouldn't you just buy DC if that was the only reason you were getting plus for?

I guess because 50 dollars for a year of online gaming, a year of games (10% of which he/she cares about) plus a year of Driveclub "minus a few tracks and cars" sounds like a better deal than 50 dollars for Driveclub with that few tracks and cars.

Unfortunately that was the same assumption I made, so I'm also stuck having bought PS+ partially for DC and not receiving what was promised at E3 when the PS+ Edition was announced.

 

[Stealth_Cobra]

I find this Driveclub "thing" rather insulting for PS fans. The full game was supposed to be free to PS+ subscribers and be available near the PS4's launch, that's what they promised us gamers when they announced the game first.

Then they got greedy and started with the PS+ edition crap, giving players a trial version instead of the full game they promised...

Then... they kept pushing back the release date... And now, they actually release the game for paying folks, yet do not give PS+ users their free version because "server issues, derp".

Basically, you're getting it late, you're getting it last, you're getting it incomplete and you're getting it a whole year later that you were supposed to in the first place.

 

[Tegernako]

I want to see Sony succeed. I bought PS4 day 1 mainly because of Sony standing up for the gamer. However, I want to see PSN take that next step in being reliable and so far I haven't seen it.

Are you...What? Do you honestly think Sony gives a shit about you...at all? Companies are not people, they do not give a shit about you.

 

[El_Cinefilo]

I find this Driveclub "thing" rather insulting for PS fans. The full game was supposed to be free to PS+ subscribers and be available near the PS4's launch, that's what they promised us gamers for quite some time.

Then they got greedy and started with the PS+ edition crap, giving players a trial version instead of the full game they promised...

Then... they kept pushing back the release date... And now, they actually release the game for paying folks, yet do not give PS+ users their free version because "server issues, derp".

Basically, you're getting it late, you're getting it last, you're getting it incomplete and you're getting it a whole year later that you were supposed to in the first place.

It was never the full version, it was always a plus edition, They did however say on multiple occasions that "it's the full game maybe missing a few of the assets like tracks and cars" which implies to me we were getting a lot more than six tracks from one location.

 

[Hugstable]

Are you...What? Do you honestly think Sony gives a shit about you...at all? Companies are not people, they do not give a shit about you.

lol you just replied to a post for like almost 2 weeks ago

 

[Japanmanx3]

I'm pretty disappointed that the PS+ version still isn't out. I've pretty much given up hope that we'll see it this month. No matter, I will still be eagerly awaiting its arrival with open arms

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Played the demo at Best Buy over the weekend and was in love. Since Project Cars got pushed back, I'm definitely still waiting for this.

 

[Pie and Beans]

The problem with DriveClub missing its PS+ release is that for months and months, the PS4 offerings have been indie and slim. Now some of those indie games are great, no doubt, but DriveClub was to be the first big retail class freebie, and the spectre of that has been hanging over every monthly update for the past year.

Now we're here, and Sony hasn't even seen fit to make Killzone or Knack a PS+ title and a wave of discontent is starting to build higher and higher. Couple that with total radio silence as Evolution fails to solve its current problems in any sort of acceptable timeframe, and you get the current gruff and angry consumer landscape.

 

[Mengetsu]

I find this Driveclub "thing" rather insulting for PS fans. The full game was supposed to be free to PS+ subscribers and be available near the PS4's launch, that's what they promised us gamers for quite some time.

Then they got greedy and started with the PS+ edition crap, giving players a trial version instead of the full game they promised...

Then... they kept pushing back the release date... And now, they actually release the game for paying folks, yet do not give PS+ users their free version because "server issues, derp".

Basically, you're getting it late, you're getting it last, you're getting it incomplete and you're getting it a whole year later that you were supposed to in the first place.

This. I would just refund all the paying customers and allow them to keep the game and release it for Plus members like originally planned after its all fixed. That would get good graces with most people again but hey money makes the world go round.

 

[Fonds]

Yeah, that's the bigger problem, IMO.

I can wait for the PS+ Edition, because for me it's just a bonus, but people who actually bought DC and still can't play it to its full potential absolutely have my sympathy.

I paid for it, and it's still the best 60 bucks I've spent on a game in the past year.

With just the single player mode this game has more to offer than most PS4 releases we've seen lately. I'll gladly wait until the online is fixed. The Gaf Challenge thread is making that wait an easy one!

 

[Dirtyshubb]

It was never the full version, it was always a plus edition, They did however say on multiple occasions that "it's the full game maybe missing a few of the assets like tracks and cars" which implies to me we were getting a lot more than six tracks from one location.

Dont worry, people will gloss over this little fact and shift the goalposts to argue why Sony and Evolution are the devil for taking away our precious AAA PS+ game that they have been dying for.

Shows how much people pay attention though, like you said they called it the PS+ version from day one. Unless you arent very smart, that clearly means it isnt the full game but apparently many didnt pay enough attention at the time and thats now somehow Sony's fault.

 

[cackhyena]

DC Plus Edition is a demo. They can call it as they want, but it will remain a demo.
Sony is acting very bad, as usually. Probably the "compensation" will be a new, free car that was already planned for free, so you have the illusion they are giving you something.

How is Sony acting bad, exactly?

 

[Betty]

So there must be something fundamentally wrong with the main game and the PS+ version if it's taking this long right?

I mean if it was a simple server problem wouldn't it have been remedied by now? Either by fixing the servers, taking PSN down for a while or something along those lines?

Like Battlefield 4 this is going to make many people wary about getting the next Evolution game day 1 and it's put a real doubt in many people's minds about Sony's online capability regarding big titles.

It's a shambolic situation.

 

[flyinpiranha]

I mean I get that man. But you said yourself, you don't care about 90% of the plus games...so why wouldn't you just buy DC if that was the only reason you were getting plus for?

Plenty of people speak about about shitty launches. BF4, Sim City, D3 all had enormous outage. Shitty launches still happen.

Was a better deal. I got PS+ for like $35 I think. The pre-order for DC was $59.99, you'd need PS+ to get the $49.99 price. Plus I was getting a new system and the racing game itself was online related. I loved how Forza had 'challenges' and such, so thought it might be worth it.

Yes, people did speak about those, and yes, we still have shitty launches, but you know why? Even though they had terrible launches millions of people still bought them. Even with DC we hav people saying "I couldn't wait for PS+ edition so I bought the full version" and people still defending it saying "omg calm down bros get laid or go outside bros" ... I can't tell people how to spend their money, but if we didn't have people willingly buying broken products and belittling others that speak up, we'd be in a different situation. XB1 launch is a perfect example. Enough people spoke up and it changed the entire direction of the console.

Dont worry, people will gloss over this little fact and shift the goalposts to argue why Sony and Evolution are the devil for taking away our precious AAA PS+ game that they have been dying for.

Shows how much people pay attention though, like you said they called it the PS+ version from day one. Unless you arent very smart, that clearly means it isnt the full game but apparently many didnt pay enough attention at the time and thats now somehow Sony's fault.

No, we don't gloss over it. We know EXACTLY what they said "Minus a FEW© cars and tracks". I don't know what your main language is, but a "few" in English does not mean over 80% of something. We use terms like "a lot" or "majority" for that. They should have stated that PS+ edition was the main game minus a majority of cars and tracks.

I don't get what I glossed over? Was it the meaning of "few?" I am a college graduate, I've used the term my whole my life. Is Sony and Evo using a different definition? Enlighten me.

In case you don't believe me, here's a Eurogamer article with the exact title:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-is-the-full-game-minus-a-few-cars-and-tracks

and in there links to a GAF post from the game director saying the exact same thing. Funny part? That post was made in September of 2013 ... but for some reason it was edited to take out that specific statement that the article's title is based on in 2/2014.

Yeah, not shady at all. He just felt the need to go back 5 months later and maybe dot some I's and cross some T's.

 

[El_Cinefilo]

The problem with DriveClub missing its PS+ release is that for months and months, the PS4 offerings have been indie and slim. Now some of those indie games are great, no doubt, but DriveClub was to be the first big retail class freebie, and the spectre of that has been hanging over every monthly update for the past year.

Now we're here, and Sony hasn't even seen fit to make Killzone or Knack a PS+ title and a wave of discontent is starting to build higher and higher. Couple that with total radio silence as Evolution fails to solve its current problems in any sort of acceptable timeframe, and you get the current gruff and angry consumer landscape.

I think even with the indies PS+ is still great value. However, announcing the Drive Club plus edition (and Resogun) at launch raised a lot of peoples expectations of what kind of titles they were going to get on ps4 and they still haven't delivered that (and I don't see them doing soon). I think that's why people get so pissed

 

[cackhyena]

By saying NOTHING at all. Bad communication, as usually.

All they can say is sorry. They are the publisher, not the developer. Not sure what you get out of that.

Conspiracy Theory Time:

They purposely withheld the PS+ version thereby forcing those on the fence to pull a impulse purchase.

Refunds are being given. It would be to Sony's and the developer's detriment in the long run to risk such a goofy thing.

 

[qa_engineer]

Conspiracy Theory Time:

They purposely withheld the PS+ version thereby forcing those on the fence to pull a impulse purchase.

 

[Dr_LucienSanchez]

I find this Driveclub "thing" rather insulting for PS fans. The full game was supposed to be free to PS+ subscribers and be available near the PS4's launch, that's what they promised us gamers for quite some time.

Then they got greedy and started with the PS+ edition crap, giving players a trial version instead of the full game they promised...

You got sources for that full game statement? Because as far as I know, the full game was never promised to Plus subscribers and the Plus edition was announced and detailed at last year's E3 already (and said to include 'a limited selection of cars and tracks').

There are probably better ways display your high levels of DriveClub frustration than to talk nonsense clearly emerging from your butt-region.

I think even with the indies PS+ is still great value. However, announcing the Drive Club plus edition (and Resogun) at launch raised a lot of peoples expectations of what kind of titles they were going to get on ps4 and they still haven't delivered that (and I don't see them doing soon). I think that's why people get so pissed

Eh, people will be pissed at the Plus offerings no matter what. It's just how it's always been. I'm sure once Knack gets released for it, a certain subset of people will rage at its inclusion also.

 

[Pie and Beans]

I think even with the indies PS+ is still great value. However, announcing the Drive Club plus edition (and Resogun) at launch raised a lot of peoples expectations of what kind of titles they were going to get on ps4 and they still haven't delivered that (and I don't see them doing soon). I think that's why people get so pissed

In a vaccuum where PS3 and PSVITA iterations of PS+ IGC didn't exist, sure PS4's would look alright. Sadly that isn't the case, and while obviously PS3 IGC isn't going to be matched due to the decade dearth of content to sling out, PSVITA's has set more of the middle ground, and thats getting its fair share of full titles.

Killzone SF is a crap game, but getting more people into its MP and picking up the DLC would have been a wise choice, and Knacks bundling days are over. I am exceedingly surprised neither have made it to PS+ yet, and the only explanation until now was "DriveClub will be that premium content release" except, not here, not coming in the near future.

 

[cackhyena]

Well, they can speak about this "compensation", both for D1 retail purchaserfs and Plus users.
Also I really don't understand how they can release a game with a problem like this. They know a Plus version was planned, so they know a lot of connections at the same time will be a fact. So, why they released a game with online features implemented so bad?

Again, you're talking about the developer. If the developer doesn't convey concerns before it goes live, what is Sony supposed to do? Could they, or should they not allow Plus users to still purchase this? Definitely, and that is bad on them. At least non Plus users aren't allowed to buy right now. I think.

 

[shandy706]

Conspiracy Theory Time:

They purposely withheld the PS+ version thereby forcing those on the fence to pull a impulse purchase.

They must have planned for some incredibly patient "impulse" buyers.

 

[Neuromancer]

Well, they can speak about this "compensation", both for D1 retail purchaserfs and Plus users.
Also I really don't understand how they can release a game with a problem like this. They know a Plus version was planned, so they know a lot of connections at the same time will be a fact. So, why they released a game with online features implemented so bad?

It was a server bug, not just a load issue. They had a private beta, simulated tests and also the game worked fine for reviewers the week before release. It was an unforeseen issue.

 

[R&R]

Eh, people will be pissed at the Plus offerings no matter what. It's just how it's always been. I'm sure once Knack gets released for it, a certain subset of people will rage at its inclusion also.

Or maybe it is you who should stop the bullshit way of thinking of everybody having some hidden agenda in their posting. The reality is the Driveclub launch has been a clusterfuck with serious issues affecting both the people who bought the full game (online features not working) and people who were promised the PS+ version with their PS+ subscription (still not here 2 weeks later after being pulled on release date, which itself is pretty unheard of!). These problems need to be discussed, and many people have been voicing their opinion on these matters and will continue to do so. Console wars bullshit is not needed.

 

[cakely]

ITT: Hyperbole and over-reaction.

 

[QaaQer]

More of a generic rant and a bad assumption on my part. I apologize. I don't agree with the hyperbole of people losing their jobs and shit.



I've explained this, and I can only for MY situation. I don't play online much in many games, I don't give a shit about 90% of the PS+ games. When I bought PS+ I did not own a Vita, did not own a PS3. I love racing games. Have spent close to a $1000 on a setup with various games, parts, additions.

When DC was announced, it was supposed to be an awesome racer that "hopefully" still supported wheel setups and was "The full game minus a few© cars and tracks".

That's what it was stated as, that what it was sold as, that's what they told us. Having had the PS4 pre-ordered already I thought "holy shit, PS+ is basically getting me a huge chunk of what looks to be the best looking racing game I've seen" so BEFORE THE PS4 launched, BEFORE DC had the delays BEFORE the major announcements and letdowns of wheel support, I snagged a cheap PS+ 1 year sub on Amazon and was going to use it when the PS4 launched (I figured once the PS4 launched that PS+ might go up in price so a sale was the best bet) and have a kick ass racing game to boot.

Was it my fault for believing what Sony said? Yes.
Was it my fault for prepurchasing Plus based on what they said would be an "almost complete" game? Yes.

But, is it their fault for backtracking, editing posts, changing the wording, and then relegating the PS+ to "demo land"? Yes.
Is it their fault for a clusterfuck of a launch almost a year after a delay? Yes.

I will not be renewing PS+. I will not be buying DC new at all on principle. I may like it, but that bridge has been burned and I'll pick it up cheap as shit used on CL or something. There's a reason I'm in this thread a lot. It's because I think it's bullshit how many people are giving DC a free pass, if more people spoke up when shitty launches happened they wouldn't be the "norm".

I think they CAN be directly compared to those launches, especially Sim City and BF4 who had "parts" of their game that were perfectly fine while "parts" were not usable. D3 was fixed fairly quickly though, I'll admit that.

While I may be a small snowflake in my circumstances (I basically bought PS+ for the PS+ edition) I don't think it's unfair to say that the PS+ users that want their PS+ service to deliver on what was supposed to happen are in a different camp than the people who paid for the game. They are both users of a service that aren't getting what they paid for.

why not contact sony for a refund then and move on? or did you buy the console for the ps+ DC as well?

 

[flyinpiranha]

why not contact sony for a refund then and move on? or did you buy the console for the ps+ DC as well?

It's not the money I'm worried about, I've never stated I want my "money back". I'm just continuing the discussion on the matter and my point of view. Plus I bought PS+ on Amazon when this was announced, over a year ago ...

And why "move on"? This is just a discussion forum and this very specific thread relates to my interests right now. And I know you're trying to be "funny", but no, I didn't buy a PS4 for DC PS+ edition.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

ITT: Hyperbole and over-reaction.

A two week and still going day-to-day delay for a game already delayed for nearly a year is pretty bad, though.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I don't understand how people can keep defending DC launch with the amount of problems, and it's been 2 weeks and no solution has been found.

I have personally played DC a lot, level 50, 225/225 stars on career mode and in a level 26 club. And during these 2 weeks I have played, not ONCE has the game worked like it should have. Challenge mode have not worked since day 1, not once. Online (at least in some form) in total has worked for maybe a week. Properly - not a single time. 2 races have been the maximum I have managed to do online after that is disconnect and after maybe 5-6 tries I sometimes manage to connect for 1 more race - pretty annoying wouldn't you say?

In race challenges (when they work) are constantly bugged, with speed challenges often having something like 3000 mph score to beat. Collision detection is also problematic, with cars sometimes spinning out in front of you with no contact whatsoever. Club cars are still bugged, they are not accessible if you lose connection. And, to finish it off - leaderboards. Some times they update your time, most of the time not. There are also some leaderboards bugged with ridiculous times.

So, pretty much a total mess. And, yet what is there and WHEN it works is quite good. I have enjoyed it having played it as much as I have, you can read my comments in the OT. Still, in it's current state I can't recommend the game to anyone.

There is no excuse in releasing the game a year late, with still huge amount of content (like weather) missing at launch and on top of that having the most important part of your game (online and clubs) not even working half the time 2 weeks after launch!

The PS+ version being promised (a year ago already) and still being delayed because of these continued problems is also ridiculous. Who knows how long this might go on...

thanks for the brutal honesty. will pass. too many good games coming to be bothered with bullshit.

 

[QaaQer]

The only people who really should be defending this game are Sony and Evolution, and only for PR purposes.

& those who understand network shit is complicated, this is only a game, and EVO aren't scam artists.

I think the fact there is no in-app-purchases like Forza, GT6, & The Crew also makes me kindly towards EVO.

Personally, I'm giving it a full month before I bother asking for a refund from SCE.

 

[Maninthemirror]

to be honest the interest in the PS+ edition will die faster the older the game gets in retail. everyday the interest will wane for more users as more games come out. Sure it will be good when it does but the level of interest will be lower.

 

[pixelbox]

A two week and still going day-to-day delay for a game already delayed for an nearly a year is pretty bad, though.

I get it, but the delay had nothing to do with the servers,

 

[QaaQer]

It's not the money I'm worried about, I've never stated I want my "money back". I'm just continuing the discussion on the matter and my point of view. Plus I bought PS+ on Amazon when this was announced, over a year ago ...

And why "move on"? This is just a discussion forum and this very specific thread relates to my interests right now. And I know you're trying to be "funny", but no, I didn't buy a PS4 for DC PS+ edition. Why are you even here? Are you experiencing issues with downloading it also? Or just doing some drive by posting?

I didn't mean it that way. I thought it was actually bothering you, like outside of neogaf. I like debating stuff here as well. & I buy consoles for single games, so that wasn't a joke either. sorry for the shitposting tone.

 

[PBY]

Still not out?

Embarrassing.



Not like it hurts anyone but Evo tho, this could have been a huge marketing tool. They fucked this up royally.