DrUckmann is essentially a next-gen Kojima
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ShadyAcshuns
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Both over rated.
darrylgorn
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Yes, they are both monumentally overrated.
larrybrady
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Iirc they had internet beef, which started with druckman critique over quiet, then kojima laughed at druckman's tlou2 ;D
Look how stupid druckman's thoughtprocess is, guy is either full on mentally ill or full on predator pretending hard af to be feminist ally, dunno whats worse really
That video, 52 thousand views,,,254 likes….. . Christ oh mighty
ZehDon
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Nah.
Kojima's writing is pretty terrible, but his games have been at the forefront of presentation and gameplay innovation for a good stretch. His first Metal Gear games bucked trends and helped establish an entirely new genre, and he's continued to push gameplay innovation and sheer esoteric interactivity in everything he's done. Say what you will about Death Stranding, but by God he tried to do something different and it shows, warts and all. No one else would take that kind of swing at that kind of budget with a brand new company.
Druckmann, by contrast, is just walking well worn paths with pretense instead of innovation. Naughty Dog were already riding high before Druckmann made his way into a creative position, and everything under his name has been extremely derivative. He's not interested in creating new, interesting, or innovative things in the video game space - he's interested in making the best movies he can, while begrudgingly paying lip service to the entire concept of gameplay by simply copying and polishing other people's work with Sony's money.
Kojima makes games that have movies in them. Druckmann makes movies that he's forced to stick games in.
Kojima's writing is pretty terrible, but his games have been at the forefront of presentation and gameplay innovation for a good stretch. His first Metal Gear games bucked trends and helped establish an entirely new genre, and he's continued to push gameplay innovation and sheer esoteric interactivity in everything he's done. Say what you will about Death Stranding, but by God he tried to do something different and it shows, warts and all. No one else would take that kind of swing at that kind of budget with a brand new company.
Druckmann, by contrast, is just walking well worn paths with pretense instead of innovation. Naughty Dog were already riding high before Druckmann made his way into a creative position, and everything under his name has been extremely derivative. He's not interested in creating new, interesting, or innovative things in the video game space - he's interested in making the best movies he can, while begrudgingly paying lip service to the entire concept of gameplay by simply copying and polishing other people's work with Sony's money.
Kojima makes games that have movies in them. Druckmann makes movies that he's forced to stick games in.
Magic Carpet
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Druckmann only gets artsy fartsy with the story. Kojima goes full on fartsy with everything.
diffusionx
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Bernardougf
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Dacvak
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I agree with that, but to Naughty Dog's credit, their games are the only "movie-like" games that actually have decent gameplay. Not astronomically great or anything, but way better than a lot of other games that go for realism.
Revolutionary
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cartman414
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Read that as Drunkmann haha.
nial
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>cuck voicemanDruckmann's 'stage presence' in a nutshell:
Revolutionary
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No idea who he is, I just searched for Druckman camera flash and that image was the first result.
I probably should have just linked the original tweet but whatever lol
ozz ex machina
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I like them both for the games they make. But neither are "arthouse" lol.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Otacon cucked his own dad. I always thought otacon was a self insert by Kojima.
nial
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Source? Last I checked, Kojima and Neil are pretty good buddies doing a lot of meetings. Probably even had sex already.
Folklore erasure.
Radical_3d
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Kojima is famous for being the Sole creator of his games, that's why the studio is called Kojima Productions
Druckmann isn't the sole creator for what his is famous for and without the other Producers/Directors/Writers his lack of talent in that is extremely obvious.
Whether TLOU was his idea or not, other people was responsible for what was great about the original not him.
The closest Director you can compare Druckmann to is Rian Johnson.
Druckmann isn't the sole creator for what his is famous for and without the other Producers/Directors/Writers his lack of talent in that is extremely obvious.
Whether TLOU was his idea or not, other people was responsible for what was great about the original not him.
The closest Director you can compare Druckmann to is Rian Johnson.
Sakura
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Kojima has been making bangers and pushing the medium for almost 40 years.
Druckmann has done what, The Last of Us? And he isn't even the sole guy behind it.
I also don't understand calling Druckmann a next gen Kojima, when Kojima himself is still making games that are more innovative.
I'm not saying you have to like all of Kojima's games, but it is ridiculous to compare them.
Druckmann has done what, The Last of Us? And he isn't even the sole guy behind it.
I also don't understand calling Druckmann a next gen Kojima, when Kojima himself is still making games that are more innovative.
I'm not saying you have to like all of Kojima's games, but it is ridiculous to compare them.
Bernardougf
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And what hit was that ? His only solo project was TLOU2 that should have been Sony's biggest sales game ever but has only fake awards from woke/acces media to account for and a deeply divided fanbase.
Ironman_Bad
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They both make the greatest cinematic action 
games to ever exist and that's facts argue with a wall 
games to ever exist and that's facts argue with a wall 
GigaBowser
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the worse version trans kojima maybe
MREVILA55
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They both:
- Lead an avant-garde gaming studio.
- Make cinematic art-house games that end up being incredibly influential.
- Push what games can do in terms of narrative/storytelling.
- Are controversial, and never boring.
- Have strong Hollywood ties.
- Have incredible taste in music and movies.
- Have stage presence (no homo).
- Self-insert themselves in their games.
- Made a game which was ultra polarizing because half of it makes you play as an unexpected new character (MGS2/Part II).
Blew my mind once I realized this.
Gojiira
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No. Kojima doesnt pander to the Modern Audience. That fact alone puts him way above Druckman
semiconscious
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druckmann is essentially a next-gen snake oil salesman. where the snake oil is 'feels'...
nial
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Naughty Dog was notorious for having no producers at the studio itself. The only producers that worked on its projects were from SIEA, similar to the Metal Gear Solid games having Konami producers at the helm (and now DS2 having SIE producers). Kojima's games always had several writers as well, you just don't know about them because Kojima takes the role of lead writer, just like how Neil does.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
The difference is the stuff that you enjoy about Kojima games comes from Kojima quirks in the way he makes, writes and influences the game.
It's what make you actually want to play his games
Yes you can see the influence of Neil in ND games, Uncharted 4 for instance.
but it's not the part you enjoy or is good.
He is definitely good with direction at serious tones but it's kinda one style fits all and gets old fast.
I think with supervision Druckmann can make great stuff, but on his own the direction goes pretty bad
Maybe Druckmann isn't totally to blame but he is surrounded by yes-men and that's because he doesn't want to hear "this is better, we'll go with this instead"
ioo
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You can't be serious
Ribi
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what???? Kojima death stranding is BORING its a walking sim, no one wants to copy that shit, and what fucking story? That shit is trash
TerribleAtThisGame
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Blank Space Invader
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Egomaniacs of that caliber like Kojima are sick in the head. It is disgusting. It makes whatever they do, no matter how good, ugly. The guy threw a celebration of himself with pictures of himself as the focal point. That's a sickness and does not deserve to be lauded.
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LRKD
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Referring to tlou1, he wrote and co-directed. Hence why it's questionable if that hit is even 'his'. To the average gamer who even knows who Druckmann is, they probably don't know who if anyone else worked on tlou1, as far as they'd be concerned it is 'his' game.
El Muerto
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Idk how any of Cuckmann's games can compete with Kojima's. There's a reason why big directors and actors like Guillermo Del Toro work with Kojima and not Druckmann.
As for gameplay, there's no contest. Uncharted and TLoU are all walking semi-linear pathways, shoot a few bad guys in a small area, then walk some more. There's no freedom to do anything, no creativity, and writing is just god awful. If you think Death Stranding is a walking sim then put your phone down, replay it and pay attention.
Kojima built a whole world with excellent characters and lore. Druckman made some male Tomb Raider games and two zombie games over and over.
Is Kojima full of himself? Sure. He earned it though. Druckmann didnt.
You cannot do anything like this in a Naughty Dog game, or really any other game.
As for gameplay, there's no contest. Uncharted and TLoU are all walking semi-linear pathways, shoot a few bad guys in a small area, then walk some more. There's no freedom to do anything, no creativity, and writing is just god awful. If you think Death Stranding is a walking sim then put your phone down, replay it and pay attention.
Kojima built a whole world with excellent characters and lore. Druckman made some male Tomb Raider games and two zombie games over and over.
Is Kojima full of himself? Sure. He earned it though. Druckmann didnt.
You cannot do anything like this in a Naughty Dog game, or really any other game.
Neff
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Nah man
Kojima's projects prioritise the creative use of mechanics to create unique and memorable moments centered around gameplay. As good as TLoU1 and 2 are, they're just copy/pasting from stuff which has gone before. Druckmann himself has stated that TLoU is essentially a love letter to Resident Evil.
Also Kojima has made a dozen games across multiple genres. Druckmann has made like three TPS stealth games.
Yeah pretty much beat me to it.
Kojima's projects prioritise the creative use of mechanics to create unique and memorable moments centered around gameplay. As good as TLoU1 and 2 are, they're just copy/pasting from stuff which has gone before. Druckmann himself has stated that TLoU is essentially a love letter to Resident Evil.
Also Kojima has made a dozen games across multiple genres. Druckmann has made like three TPS stealth games.
Yeah pretty much beat me to it.
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SentientStone
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It is kind of the yin to MGS2's yang or vice-versa.
In MGS2 the creator "tricked" the player into playing as a feminized male figure, while in TLOU2 the creator "tricked" the player into playing as a masculinized female figure.
All part of the plan... *insert Alex Jones gif here*
awwr999999
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It's not that, it's that Neil and Straley balance each other out in a magical way that yielded TLOU.
Bruce: "Neil handles story and characters, I handle gameplay and, moment-to-moment, what's happening in the game. But we have to really be on the same page and see eye-to-eye on everything. So we're kind of like Voltron, only there's just two components." Neil: "There's a lot of overlap in what we do."
PlayStation needs more games like TLOU and Neil needs to get Straley back and make another TLOU instead of another TLOU2.
I'm nobody
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Kojima is over hyped so I hope not
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