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[Jonnyram]

DS
1. Super Mario 64 DS - Nintendo - 711,424
2. Sawaru Made in Wario - Nintendo - 710,371
3. Pokemon Dash - Pokemon - 323,741
4. Daigassou! Band Brothers - Nintendo - 166,071
5. Catch! Touch! Yoshi! - Nintendo - 163,963
6. Touch! Kirby - Nintendo - 127,690
7. Another Code Futatsu no Kioku - Nintendo - 104,114
8. Chokkan Hitofude - Nintendo - 102,330
9. Kimi no tame nara Shineru - Sega - 97,629
10. Puyo Puyo Fever - Sega - 82,898
11. Kenshuui Tendou Dokuta - Spike - 76,724
12. Pac Pix - Namco - 70,514
13. Bokujou Monogatari Corobockle Station - Marvellous - 56,987
14. Tennis no Oujisama 2005 Crystal Drive - Konami - 49,385
15. Egg Monster Hero - Square Enix - 49,131
16. Mister Driller Drill Spirits - Namco - 47,976
17. Zoo Keeper - Success - 45,412
18. Meteos - Bandai - 39,232
19. Mahjong Taikai - Koei - 34,545
20. Spiderman 2 - Taito - 26,633
21. The Urbs: Sims in the City - EA - 24,685
22. Kamen Genei Satsujin Jiken - Genki - 10,254
23. Cool 104 Joker & Setline - Aruze - 9,613
24. Electroplankton - Nintendo - 5,545
25. Yakuman DS - Nintendo - 4,791
26. Tiger Woods PGA Tour - EA - 3,381
27. Space Invaders DS - Taito - 3,249
Hardware - 2,054,016
Tie ratio - 1.53


PSP
1. Minna no Golf Portable - SCE - 337,972
2. Ridge Racers - Namco - 274,682
3. Shin Sangoku Musou - Koei - 268,514
4. Tales of Eternia - Namco - 157,043
5. Piposaru Academia - SCE - 108,599
6. Metal Gear Acid - Konami - 99,871
7. Kotoba no Puzzle Mojipittan - Namco - 98,109
8. Gagharv Trilogy: Shiroki Majou - Bandai - 89,202
9. Dokodemo Issho - SCE - 86,255
10. Mahjong Fight Club - Konami - 77,137
11. Popolocrois Monogatari - SCE - 70,364
12. Namco Museum - Namco - 61,895
13. Armored Core Formula Front - From Software - 58,288
14. Bleach - SCE - 52,140
15. Puyo Puyo Fever - Sega - 49,345
16. Sarugetchu P! - SCE - 42,674
17. Lumines - Bandai - 37,271
18. Vampire Chronicles - Capcom - 37,184
19. Rengoku: The Tower of Purgatory - Hudson - 36,424
20. Need for Speed Underground Rivals - EA - 25,689
21. Soukyuu no Fafner - Bandai - 25,622
22. Mahjong Taikai - Koei - 15,264
23. Mobile Train Simulator + Densha de Go! - Ongakukan - 12,861
24. Puzzle Bobble Pocket - Taito - 11,943
25. Sangokushi V - Koei - 9,910
26. AI Shogi - Marvellous - 9,684
27. Shinten Makai: GOCIV Another Side - Idea Factory - 9,534
28. AI Mahjong - Marvellous - 8,649
29. AI Igo - Marvellous - 8,479
30. Kollon - Cyberfront - 8,184
31. Wipeout Pure - SCE - 5,772
32. Harukanaru Toki no Naka de: Iroetebako - Koei - 1,559
Hardware - 1,168,173
Tie ratio - 1.88

Source: Media Create

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I would like this weeks numbers

but those are okay too

 

[lexi]

Electroplankton - Nintendo - 5,545

Assuming this was coded over a weekend, I suppose those are good numbers.

 

[ziran]

DS
1. Super Mario 64 DS - Nintendo - 711,424
2. Sawaru Made in Wario - Nintendo - 710,371
3. Pokemon Dash - Pokemon - 323,741
4. Daigassou! Band Brothers - Nintendo - 166,071
5. Catch! Touch! Yoshi! - Nintendo - 163,963
6. Touch! Kirby - Nintendo - 127,690
7. Another Code Futatsu no Kioku - Nintendo - 104,114
8. Chokkan Hitofude - Nintendo - 102,330
9. Kimi no tame nara Shineru - Sega - 97,629
10. Puyo Puyo Fever - Sega - 82,898


PSP
1. Minna no Golf Portable - SCE - 337,972
2. Ridge Racers - Namco - 274,682
3. Shin Sangoku Musou - Koei - 268,514
4. Tales of Eternia - Namco - 157,043
5. Piposaru Academia - SCE - 108,599
6. Metal Gear Acid - Konami - 99,871
7. Kotoba no Puzzle Mojipittan - Namco - 98,109
8. Gagharv Trilogy: Shiroki Majou - Bandai - 89,202
9. Dokodemo Issho - SCE - 86,255
10. Mahjong Fight Club - Konami - 77,137

looking at the top ten it's interesting there are 4 new franchises on the ds and none on the psp. this moves up to 5 if you include nintendogs, half the top ten! (*edited)

i think it's clear the psp is appealing to existing (ps2) gamers, sequels to ps2 games sell, so sequels are what developers are making. whereas the ds looks like it may be expanding the gaming market. also developers are more likely to create original titles for the ds as they sell reasonably well, and have lower dev costs (than psp games).

 

[Kseutron]

too bad those numbers don't include the "nintendogs effect" , things have changed a lot since the game is out in japan

 

[Amir0x]

looking at the top ten it's interesting that there are 4 new franchises on the ds and none on the psp. this moves up to 5 if you include pokemon dash, it's a new game using existing franchise characters, and 6 if you include nintendogs!

Then using this logic we would include Metal Gear Ac!d since it's a new game using existing franchise characters and Piposaru Academia for the same reason.

 

[ziran]

Then using this logic we would include Metal Gear Ac!d since it's a new game using existing franchise characters and Piposaru Academia for the same reason.

you're right.

edited and fixed.

 

[Nightbringer]

8 of the NDS top ten are nintendo-games.

What's up with the thirds?

 

[pilonv1]

A Nintendo console with poor third party sales but great first party sales? SHOCK AND AWE.

 

[ziran]

A Nintendo console with poor third party sales but great first party sales? SHOCK AND AWE.

while true to an extent, third parties are making money out of ds. looking at the developer list:

DS
1. Super Mario 64 DS - Nintendo - 711,424 Nintendo
2. Sawaru Made in Wario - Nintendo - 710,371 Nintendo
3. Pokemon Dash - Pokemon - 323,741 Ambrella
4. Daigassou! Band Brothers - Nintendo - 166,071 Nintendo
5. Catch! Touch! Yoshi! - Nintendo - 163,963 Nintendo
6. Touch! Kirby - Nintendo - 127,690 Nintendo
7. Another Code Futatsu no Kioku - Nintendo - 104,114 Cing
8. Chokkan Hitofude - Nintendo - 102,330 Mitchell
9. Kimi no tame nara Shineru - Sega - 97,629 Sega
10. Puyo Puyo Fever - Sega - 82,898 Sega

 

[Rock_Man]

No weekly numbers, but this more than compensate for that. Now I got these numbers to play with
Thaaaank you

 

[Monk]

Its interesting to see how the numbers for 4th place and down are almost the same for both handhelds.

 

[MrAngryFace]

Amazing. If only we could somehow harness sales figures and turn them into games to play.

 

[Jared Goodwin]

Amazing. If only we could somehow harness sales figures and turn them into games to play.

We have! It's called "Argue about stupid unimportant gaming shit on GAF!"

 

[Azelover]

Any clue on when we're gonna see last week's numbers?

 

[LowTecky]

A Nintendo console with poor third party sales but great first party sales? SHOCK AND AWE.

Naruto will quickly change that.

 

[dog$]

Yeah, just like those Naruto games did for the Gamecube.

 

[Alcibiades]

12. Pac Pix - Namco - 70,514
lol

300,000 anyone?

 

[Jonnyram]

Naruto is the first third party game to sell 100k on DS, I believe.
The last 3 weeks have done wonders for the tie ratio of the DS too, thanks to the puppies and Naruto.

 

[Mejilan]

How have the puppies sold, so far? Total?

 

[The Faceless Master]

Its interesting to see how the numbers for 4th place and down are almost the same for both handhelds.

DS --------------- PSP
1 - 711,424 - 337,972
2 - 710,371 - 274,682
3 - 323,741 - 268,514
4 - 166,071 - 157,043
5 - 163,963 - 108,599
6 - 127,690 - 99,871
7 - 104,114 - 98,109
8 - 102,330 - 89,202
9 - 97,629 - 86,255
10 - 82,898 - 77,137

yeah... almost...

 

[Link316]

Amazing. If only we could somehow harness sales figures and turn them into games to play.

just gotta wait, better 3rd party sales on the PSP = more 3rd party support

 

[Kon Tiki]

Amazing. If only we could somehow harness sales figures and turn them into games to play.

http://www.nino.dk/gamebiz/index.asp?visnu=thenews.htm

Have fun.

 

[Odnetnin]

DS
1. Super Mario 64 DS - Nintendo - 711,424
2. Sawaru Made in Wario - Nintendo - 710,371
3. Pokemon Dash - Pokemon - 323,741
4. Daigassou! Band Brothers - Nintendo - 166,071
5. Catch! Touch! Yoshi! - Nintendo - 163,963
6. Touch! Kirby - Nintendo - 127,690
7. Another Code Futatsu no Kioku - Nintendo - 104,114
8. Chokkan Hitofude - Nintendo - 102,330
9. Kimi no tame nara Shineru - Sega - 97,629
10. Puyo Puyo Fever - Sega - 82,898
11. Kenshuui Tendou Dokuta - Spike - 76,724
12. Pac Pix - Namco - 70,514
13. Bokujou Monogatari Corobockle Station - Marvellous - 56,987
14. Tennis no Oujisama 2005 Crystal Drive - Konami - 49,385
15. Egg Monster Hero - Square Enix - 49,131
16. Mister Driller Drill Spirits - Namco - 47,976
17. Zoo Keeper - Success - 45,412
18. Meteos - Bandai - 39,232
19. Mahjong Taikai - Koei - 34,545
20. Spiderman 2 - Taito - 26,633
21. The Urbs: Sims in the City - EA - 24,685
22. Kamen Genei Satsujin Jiken - Genki - 10,254
23. Cool 104 Joker & Setline - Aruze - 9,613
24. Electroplankton - Nintendo - 5,545
25. Yakuman DS - Nintendo - 4,791
26. Tiger Woods PGA Tour - EA - 3,381
27. Space Invaders DS - Taito - 3,249
TOTAL - 2,054,016
Tie ratio - 1.53


PSP
1. Minna no Golf Portable - SCE - 337,972
2. Ridge Racers - Namco - 274,682
3. Shin Sangoku Musou - Koei - 268,514
4. Tales of Eternia - Namco - 157,043
5. Piposaru Academia - SCE - 108,599
6. Metal Gear Acid - Konami - 99,871
7. Kotoba no Puzzle Mojipittan - Namco - 98,109
8. Gagharv Trilogy: Shiroki Majou - Bandai - 89,202
9. Dokodemo Issho - SCE - 86,255
10. Mahjong Fight Club - Konami - 77,137
11. Popolocrois Monogatari - SCE - 70,364
12. Namco Museum - Namco - 61,895
13. Armored Core Formula Front - From Software - 58,288
14. Bleach - SCE - 52,140
15. Puyo Puyo Fever - Sega - 49,345
16. Sarugetchu P! - SCE - 42,674
17. Lumines - Bandai - 37,271
18. Vampire Chronicles - Capcom - 37,184
19. Rengoku: The Tower of Purgatory - Hudson - 36,424
20. Need for Speed Underground Rivals - EA - 25,689
21. Soukyuu no Fafner - Bandai - 25,622
22. Mahjong Taikai - Koei - 15,264
23. Mobile Train Simulator + Densha de Go! - Ongakukan - 12,861
24. Puzzle Bobble Pocket - Taito - 11,943
25. Sangokushi V - Koei - 9,910
26. AI Shogi - Marvellous - 9,684
27. Shinten Makai: GOCIV Another Side - Idea Factory - 9,534
28. AI Mahjong - Marvellous - 8,649
29. AI Igo - Marvellous - 8,479
30. Kollon - Cyberfront - 8,184
31. Wipeout Pure - SCE - 5,772
32. Harukanaru Toki no Naka de: Iroetebako - Koei - 1,559
TOTAL - 1,168,173
Tie ratio - 1.88

Source: Media Create

Meteos > Lumines. Still not much though. Wipeout sure bombed hard in Japan though.

 

[123rl]

DS --------------- PSP
1 - 711,424 - 337,972
2 - 710,371 - 274,682
3 - 323,741 - 268,514
4 - 166,071 - 157,043
5 - 163,963 - 108,599
6 - 127,690 - 99,871
7 - 104,114 - 98,109
8 - 102,330 - 89,202
9 - 97,629 - 86,255
10 - 82,898 - 77,137

yeah... almost...

...these figures are proof that the market can exist with both Nintendo DS and Sony PSP!! If that's not enough to shut the fucking fanboys up (on both sides) then I don't know what is

 

[Mejilan]

...these figures are proof that the market can exist with both Nintendo DS and Sony PSP!! If that's not enough to shut the fucking fanboys up (on both sides) then I don't know what is

Most of the non-morons here already knew that both were here to stay. For better or for worse. This... news, however, won't shut the true morons up.

 

[john tv]

17. Lumines - Bandai - 37,271

Wrong. Just...so wrong.

 

[Mejilan]

Anyone know what the US sales are for Lumines?

 

[heidern]

I chucked these numbers into excel and here's what I've come up with:
Total:
DS 27 games, 10 1st party, 17 3rd party
PSP 32 games, 7 first party, 25 3rd party

DS total software sales 3,148,288
PSP total software sales 2,196,119

DS 1st party software sales 2,420,040
PSP 1st party software sales 703,776
DS 3rd party software sales 728,248
PSP 3rd party software sales 1,492,343

DS sales per game 116,603
PSP sales per game 68,629
DS sales per 3rd party game 42,838
PSP sales per 3rd party game 59,694

So DS software sales are overall higher, but it is because Nintendo games just sell so much. In fact almost half the games sold between the 2 systems are 1st party Nintendo games. The thing with these numbers though is that the launch games have a bit of a monopoly on the sales. Mario and Wario account for almost half the DS total, and other big sellers like Pokemon Dash and Project Rub were DS launch games. Same with the psp and Hotshots, Ridge Racer, Metal Gear and Dynasty Warriors all available within days of launch.

The psp is definitely doing better on the 3rd party front with 50% more games and double the sales. In fact just looking at raw numbers it is a clear winner. The thing is, the PSP has received a higher quality of 3rd party game. FWIW If you ignore the psp big hitters(no DS 3rd party big hitters yet) the sales are fairly comparable. Also, if you ignore launch games, then both systems have done similarly well now that Naruto DS is pulling out numbers comparable with Tales of Eternia. In fact Naruto alone has increased the DS 3rd party total by over 10%.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Cool, I'd been wondering about this, as the last time we saw such a list was using January or early February numbers. The tie ratios indeed confirm that people do buy games with their PSPs, they're just less likely to be hitting the weekly top 10 lists.


DS 1st party
1. Super Mario 64 DS - Nintendo - 711,424
2. Sawaru Made in Wario - Nintendo - 710,371
3. Pokemon Dash - Pokemon - 323,741
4. Daigassou! Band Brothers - Nintendo - 166,071
5. Catch! Touch! Yoshi! - Nintendo - 163,963
6. Touch! Kirby - Nintendo - 127,690
7. Another Code Futatsu no Kioku - Nintendo - 104,114
8. Chokkan Hitofude - Nintendo - 102,330
9. Electroplankton - Nintendo - 5,545
10. Yakuman DS - Nintendo - 4,791

2,420,040 total
242,004 average
Tie ratio: 1.18


DS 3rd party
1. Kimi no tame nara Shineru - Sega - 97,629
2. Puyo Puyo Fever - Sega - 82,898
3. Kenshuui Tendou Dokuta - Spike - 76,724
4. Pac Pix - Namco - 70,514
5. Bokujou Monogatari Corobockle Station - Marvellous - 56,987
6. Tennis no Oujisama 2005 Crystal Drive - Konami - 49,385
7. Egg Monster Hero - Square Enix - 49,131
8. Mister Driller Drill Spirits - Namco - 47,976
9. Zoo Keeper - Success - 45,412
10. Meteos - Bandai - 39,232
11. Mahjong Taikai - Koei - 34,545
12. Spiderman 2 - Taito - 26,633
13. The Urbs: Sims in the City - EA - 24,685
14. Kamen Genei Satsujin Jiken - Genki - 10,254
15. Cool 104 Joker & Setline - Aruze - 9,613
16. Tiger Woods PGA Tour - EA - 3,381
17. Space Invaders DS - Taito - 3,249

728,248 total
42,838 average
Tie ratio: 0.35



PSP 1st party
1. Minna no Golf Portable - SCE - 337,972
2. Piposaru Academia - SCE - 108,599
3. Dokodemo Issho - SCE - 86,255
4. Popolocrois Monogatari - SCE - 70,364
5. Bleach - SCE - 52,140
6. Sarugetchu P! - SCE - 42,674
7. Wipeout Pure - SCE - 5,772

703,776 total
100,539 average
Tie ratio: 0.60


PSP 3rd party
1. Ridge Racers - Namco - 274,682
2. Shin Sangoku Musou - Koei - 268,514
3. Tales of Eternia - Namco - 157,043
4. Metal Gear Acid - Konami - 99,871
5. Kotoba no Puzzle Mojipittan - Namco - 98,109
6. Gagharv Trilogy: Shiroki Majou - Bandai - 89,202
7. Mahjong Fight Club - Konami - 77,137
8. Namco Museum - Namco - 61,895
9. Armored Core Formula Front - From Software - 58,288
10. Puyo Puyo Fever - Sega - 49,345
11. Lumines - Bandai - 37,271
12. Vampire Chronicles - Capcom - 37,184
13. Rengoku: The Tower of Purgatory - Hudson - 36,424
14. Need for Speed Underground Rivals - EA - 25,689
15. Soukyuu no Fafner - Bandai - 25,622
16. Mahjong Taikai - Koei - 15,264
17. Mobile Train Simulator + Densha de Go! - Ongakukan - 12,861
18. Puzzle Bobble Pocket - Taito - 11,943
19. Sangokushi V - Koei - 9,910
20. AI Shogi - Marvellous - 9,684
21. Shinten Makai: GOCIV Another Side - Idea Factory - 9,534
22. AI Mahjong - Marvellous - 8,649
23. AI Igo - Marvellous - 8,479
24. Kollon - Cyberfront - 8,184
25. Harukanaru Toki no Naka de: Iroetebako - Koei - 1,559

1,492,343 total
59,694 average
Tie ratio: 1.28




PSP has definitely had the bigger third party hits thus far, though how much credit for that should go to a receptive audience, lack of Nintendo competition, and having the more major series releases thus far is I believe open to debate. Certainly other than Ridge Racers, Dynasty Warriors, and Tales of Eternia the PSP third party list looks a lot like the DS one. On a total separate note of surprise, Ridge Racer DS hasn't released in Japan?

Here's the chart of the day. Combined game sales for the system placed on a bar graph. Light gray is DS 1st party, pink is DS 3rd party, black is PSP 1st party, violet is PSP 3rd party.

For some reason the chart isn't displaying directly on the forums for me, but here it is: http://www.2and2.net/Uploads/Images/20050507pspdssoftwarea.gif

The last 3 weeks have done wonders for the tie ratio of the DS too, thanks to the puppies and Naruto.

At first I was skeptical because of the effect of a sudden increase in user base. In the more recent two weeks of Media Create sales the DS hardware total has gone up by 5.74%, so it would take more than 180,000 games sold just to break even. However, since Naruto + Nintendogs did a combined 266K in just the latter of those weeks, it probably has gone up by at least 0.1 over those two weeks.

EDIT: Had Bleach listed as PSP 3rd party instead of 1st. Listing, totals, averages, chart fixed.

 

[Jared Goodwin]

Also, if you only count games for whom the digits of the sales numbers add up to 15, the N-Gage is the leading handheld in the US!

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Also, if you only count games for whom the digits of the sales numbers add up to 15, the N-Gage is the leading handheld in the US!

I believe our point is more that it seems like both systems can do very decently on the big name titles, but that DS's selection of big-name titles is almost exclusively first party as of this list. The fact that Tales of Eternia is more successful than Feel the Magic doesn't necessarily mean that big third party software would do much worse on DS.

 

[MoccaJava]

The entire problem with this topic is that the creator was too impatient to wait another week or so for MediaCreate numbers.

How can everyone go off analyzing NDS 1st and 3rd party sales when we just had the fastest selling NDS first party game yet, as well as a third party Naruto game that has done just as well?

Why would you even bother to go through all the trouble of computing the software sales of all the games, then just the third, then just the first, the tie ratios, etc., when it's not even currently applicable?!

You might as well go take an NPD from last year to base statements on the current console wars.

The fact that Naruto was just released already pushes total third party NDS sales much much closer to the PSP

 

[Rock_Man]

That doesn´t mean third party games automatically sell better on psp.

DS Mahjong Taikai - Koei - 34,545
PSP Mahjong Taikai - Koei - 15,264

DS Puyo Puyo Fever - Sega - 82,898
PSP Puyo Puyo Fever - Sega - 49,345

 

[Barrage]

Because I have a deep-seeded need to provide information that is only semi-helpful, here are the english titles of the games in the DS and PSP Top 10's:

DS
1.Super Mario 64 DS-Nintendo-711,424
2.Wario Ware Touched-Nintendo-710,371
3.Pokemon Dash-Nintendo-323,741
4.Jam With The Band-Nintendo-166,071
5.Yoshi's Touch&Go-Nintendo-163,963
6.Kirby: Canvas Curse-Nintendo-127,690
7.Another Code-Nintendo-104,114
8.Polarium-Nintendo-102,330
9.Feel The Magic:XY/XX-Sega-97,629
10.Puyo Puyo Fever-Sega-82,898

PSP
1.Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee-SCE-337,972
2.Ridge Racer-Namco-274,682
3.Dynasty Warriors-Koei-268,514
4.Tales of Eternia-Namco-157,043
5.Ape Academy-SCE-108,599
6.Metal Gear Acid-Konami-99,871
7.Kotoba no Puzzle Mojipittan - Namco - 98,109
8.The Gaghary-Bandai-89,202
9.Dokodemo Issho-SCEI-86,255
10.Mahjong Fight Club-Konami-77,137

Weird how 3 games on the PSP's Top 10 will most likely never come out in North America.

 

[cvxfreak]

18. Meteos - Bandai - 39,232

17. Lumines - Bandai - 37,271

 

[Jonnyram]

just gotta wait, better 3rd party sales on the PSP = more 3rd party support

You would think so, wouldn't you. But due to the lower development costs on DS, publishers make bigger margins, so it's attracting a lot of third parties. At the moment, it's pretty neck and neck as far as announced games goes.

The entire problem with this topic is that the creator was too impatient to wait another week or so for MediaCreate numbers.

We have the Media Create top 10 up to the end of April already. This data was in the latest issue of Dorimaga and I typed it up because I figured some people might be interested in the sales of titles that haven't charted recently, such as Lumines, Meteos, etc. The sales of Nintendogs and Naruto won't do much to alter the ratio of 1st:3rd party sales, and as Joshua pointed out, they don't affect the tie ratio a whole lot.

 

[Laguna]

Meteos was released in April while Lumines much earlier And this charts are LTD Charts up to 10.April.

 

[heidern]

Rock_Man, good point that I missed somehow. It's kinda funny how 95% of the games on these 2 systems are exclusives.

The entire problem with this topic is that the creator was too impatient to wait another week or so for MediaCreate numbers.

The fact that Naruto was just released already pushes total third party NDS sales much much closer to the PSP

First, these are new numbers since they include totals for games that have dropped out of the top ten. Second, Naruto had an effect but not that much. It would bring the DS 3rd party total to a bit over 800K, with the PSP 3rd party total standing around 1.5M. What Naruto does show is that 3rd party games can sell well on the DS, it is actually the second biggest selling 3rd party game on either system post launch week. Second only to Tales of Eternia PSP.

What is really interesting though, is that one of the main drivers for the 3rd party numbers on the psp is Namco. Their games have a total of 591K out of 1.492M. In other words, 40% of 3rd party games sold on the psp are Namco published. Without them the psp total goes down to 900K, which is a lot closer to the DS total.

 

[monkeyrun]

That doesn´t mean third party games automatically sell better on psp.

DS Mahjong Taikai - Koei - 34,545
PSP Mahjong Taikai - Koei - 15,264

DS Puyo Puyo Fever - Sega - 82,898
PSP Puyo Puyo Fever - Sega - 49,345

lol you know statistics is a tricky thing :lol

 

[Hero]

The psp is definitely doing better on the 3rd party front with 50% more games and double the sales. In fact just looking at raw numbers it is a clear winner. The thing is, the PSP has received a higher quality of 3rd party game. FWIW If you ignore the psp big hitters(no DS 3rd party big hitters yet) the sales are fairly comparable. Also, if you ignore launch games, then both systems have done similarly well now that Naruto DS is pulling out numbers comparable with Tales of Eternia. In fact Naruto alone has increased the DS 3rd party total by over 10%.

In what kind of universe do you live in that you ignore things? Jesus.

The fact is that I doubt third parties have had as much time to tap into the creative side of the NDS as opposed to the PSP. Naruto DS was most likely a GBA game that was just quickly converted to be for the NDS.

Naruto will probably have around 200-300K total, so that's going to increase the third party total a lot. Games like FFIII, Shonen Super Stars, and Castlevania will probably push really big numbers. Of course, with Nintendogs release, we've seen a lot of GBA/older DS games get pushed back onto the charts. I remember seeing Harvest Moon DS in one of the daily totals.

It's still too early to make a justified comparison between the two systems. It's going to take until after the 2005 holiday season to see how both systems will stack up. Of course, if Nintendogs causes the DS to pull the lead so far, it might be over before it's begun.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

In what kind of universe do you live in that you ignore things? Jesus.

Completely ignoring things: bad idea. Pruning the extraneous to try and approximate an apple-to-apple comparison: can be handy.

 

[MoccaJava]

I wasn't even aware there had been a Harvest Moon DS released in Japan until I saw it at #20 one day. Where is it on the chart?

 

[LowTecky]

I wasn't even aware there had been a Harvest Moon DS released in Japan until I saw it at #20 one day. Where is it on the chart?

It's this.

13. Bokujou Monogatari Corobockle Station - Marvellous - 56,987

 

[heidern]

In what kind of universe do you live in that you ignore things?

I'm really tempted to just ignore you with your inability to grasp the concepts of analysis.

People are ignoring things in this thread all the time. I suppose if you dont want to ignore anything then you can say that DS has sold almost double the hardware numbers, and sold 50% more software and so is the clear winner full stop. But then people say that DS isn't so hot for 3rd party games, by doing that they are ignoring 1st party sales. In the same way, if you want to look at normal games for the systems you have to ignore the big hitters. If you want to look at how the post launch games have done, you have to ignore the launch games.

 

[Monorojo]

* - Japan+NA
DS
1. Super Mario 64 DS - Nintendo - 1,663,337*
2. WarioWare: Touched! - Nintendo - 915,609*
3. Pokemon Dash - Pokemon - 383,726*
4. Spider-Man 2 - Activision/Taito - 331,117*
5. Yoshi's Touch & Go - Nintendo - 258,032*
6. Asphalt Urban GT - Ubisoft - 190,030
7. The Urbs: Sims in the City - EA - 180,046*
8. Madden NFL 2005 - EA - 171,199
9. Jam With The Band - Nintendo - 166,071
10. Feel The Magic XY/XX - Sega - 159,337*
11. Touch! Kirby - Nintendo - 140,752
12. Another Code - Nintendo - 104,114
13. Polarium - Nintendo - 102,330
14. Mr. Driller - Namco - 94,619*
15. Naruto: Saikyou Ninja Daikesshuu 3 - Bandai - 84,195
16. Puyo Puyo Fever - Sega - 82,898
17. Nintendogs: Shiba & Friends - Nintendo - 82,585
18. Ridge Racer DS - Namco - 81,856
19. Kenshuui Tendou Dokuta - Spike - 76,724
20. Pac Pix - Namco - 73,567
21. Zoo Keeper - Ignition Entertainment/Success - 67,411*
22. Harvest Moon DS - Marvellous - 56,987
23. Egg Monster Hero - Square Enix - 54,988
24. Tiger Woods PGA 2005 - EA - 53,878*
25. Nintendogs: Dachs & Friends - Nintendo - 52,263
26. Robots - VU Games - 50,003
27. Tennis no Oujisama 2005 Crystal Drive - Konami - 49,385
28. Nintendogs: Chihuahua & Friends - Nintendo - 45,826
29. Meteos - Bandai - 39,232
30. Ping Pals - THQ - 37,380
31. Mahjong Taikai - Koei - 34,545
32. Rayman DS - Ubisoft - 22,270
33. Sprung - Ubisoft - 21,705
34. Retro Atari - Atari - 13,974
35. Kamen Genei Satsujin Jiken - Genki - 10,254
36. Cool 104 Joker & Setline - Aruze - 9,613
37. Electroplankton - Nintendo - 5,545
38. Yakuman DS - Nintendo - 4,791
39. Space Invaders DS - Taito - 3,249

PSP
1. Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee - SCE - 341,126
2. Ridger Racer - Namco - 335,320*
3. Dynasty Warriors - Koei - 314,887*
4. Metal Gear AC!D - Konami - 188,233*
5. Tales of Eternia - Namco - 161,073
6. Need for Speed : Undergroud Rivals - EA - 146,982*
7. Twisted Metal: Head-On - SCE - 127,403
8. Ape Academy - SCE - 108,599
9. Untold Legends: Brotherhood of the Brave - SOE - 103,010
10. Lumines - Bandai/Ubisoft - 102,716*
11. Ape Escape: On the Loose - SCE - 98,510*
12. Kotoba no Puzzle Mojipittan - Namco - 98,109
13. Wipeout Pure - SCE - 93,855*
14. Gagharv Trilogy: Shiroki Majou - Bandai - 89,202
15. Dokodemo Issho - SCE - 86,255
16. Mahjong Fight Club - Konami - 77,137
17. Darstalkers: Choas - Capcom - 75,669*
18. Popolocrois Monogatari - SCE - 70,364
19. Tony Hawk Undergroud 2: Remix - Activision - 62,312
20. Namco Museum - Namco - 61,895
21. Armored Core Formula Front - From Software - 58,288
22. Bleach - SCE - 55,828
23. NBA - SCE - 50,835
24. Puyo Puyo Fever - Sega - 49,345
25. NFL Street 2 : Unleashed - EA - 47,991
26. Tiger Woods PGA Tour - EA - 47,310
27. Spiderman: The Movie 2 - Activision - 40,145
28. Rengoku: The Tower of Purgatory - Hudson - 36,424
29. Shutokou Battle: Zone of Control - Genki - 29,473
30. Derby Time - SCE - 28,000
31. Soukyuu no Fafner - Bandai - 25,622
32. Gretzky NHL - SCE - 18,896
33. World Tour Soccer - SCE - 18,290
34. Mahjong Taikai - Koei - 15,264
35. Romance of the Three Kingdoms V - Koei - 13,067
36. Mobile Train Simulator + Densha de Go! - Ongakukan - 12,861
37. Puzzle Bobble Pocket - Taito - 11,943
38. AI Shogi - Marvellous - 9,684
39. Shinten Makai: GOCIV Another Side - Idea Factory - 9,534
40. AI Mahjong - Marvellous - 8,649
41. AI Igo - Marvellous - 8,479
42. Harukanaru Toki no Naka de: Iroetebako - Koei - 1,559
43. Kollon - Cyberfront - 8,184

 

[Li Mu Bai]

Naruto will probably have around 200-300K total, so that's going to increase the third party total a lot. Games like FFIII, Shonen Super Stars, and Castlevania will probably push really big numbers.

I agree. FF:CC DS, Slime Mori Mori 2, Goemon, Lost in Blue, Dragon Quest Monsters series, Megaman Battle Network series, Mobile Suit Gundam SEED, Monster Rancher Jamboree, Secret of Mana series, etc. will all post good to even phenomenal numbers. (esp. the Shoen JSS) Increasing the 3rd party software tie ratio significanty. But then Mario Kart, AC, Pokémon Diamond & Pearl Versions release skewing it once again overwhelmingy in Nintendo's favor. But this is truely a moot point, Nintendo & Nintendo published software has always dominated on both their home & portable fronts. Has this stopped other companies from being extremely successful, profitable, or moving impressive units sales-wise? No. Sony is a 3rd party supported platform, the PSP is as well. So any breakdown, or attempted comparative analysis of 3rd party attach ratios between the two platforms then becomes only an effort in fanboy futility.

 

[Odnetnin]

* - Japan+NA
DS
3. Pokemon Dash - Pokemon - 383,726*

PSP
1. Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee - SCE - 341,126
2. Ridger Racer - Namco - 335,320*

sold more than the number 1 game on PSP. sad really isn't it. A proper Pokemon on DS will rape rape PSP

 

[Smiles and Cries]

wow at combined numbers

 

[GaimeGuy]

Mario and Wario Ware are beasts.