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[Stinkles]

Perhaps he’s an incredibly moral, intelligent dude after all. Think about it.

The war in Iraq absolutely forced a bunch of issues that may end up having positive consequences. World reaction to spiraling fuel costs will have very rapid beneficial effects. Smaller, more fuel efficient cars are having their greatest boost ever. Research into energy alternatives is accelerating, and the Middle East situation is forcing the West, Islam and the near East to think carefully about the long term consequences of their tortured relationships. It’s like marriage therapy writ large!

Cuba and China are headed for democracy thanks to a bizarre combination of brutal restrictions and lax trade policy.

The housing bubble was carefully burst, arguably before it reached an irreversible catastrophe.

The deliberate suppression of the reality of a recession softened some of its impact and reduced panic.

Promotion of speculation in fuel markets means it too is a bubble that we can burst when all the significant changes to driving habits have been made.


I put it to you, ladies and gentlemen, that Dubya is a super genius, concerned only with our wellbeing and that the last eight years are basically

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A giant tentacled space monster, genetically engineered by George to bring us togetherr.

 

[MisterHero]

If you've done things right, people won't be sure if you've done anything at all.

 

[Callo Merlose]

It's posts like these that remind me why I haven't killed you yet.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Cuba and China are headed for democracy thanks to a bizarre combination of brutal restrictions and lax trade policy.

I was with you up until this. I don't see any indication of democracy in either of these countries. Cuba and China might be headed toward CAPITALISM but that does not exactly equal democracy

 

[JayDubya]

Stealth Truther thread?


Also, Dubya is demonstrably and ravingly incompetent, not evil.

Ozymandias is incredibly competent, and extremely fucking evil.

 

[Stinkles]

I was with you up until this. I don't see any indication of democracy in either of these countries. Cuba and China might be headed toward CAPITALISM but that does not exactly equal democracy

Capitalism leads to democracy! FACT*

Stealth Truther thread?


Also, Dubya is demonstrably and ravingly incompetent, not evil.

Ozymandias is incredibly competent, and extremely fucking evil.

You mix those together in a stainless steel bowl, and you have Churchill!




*Actual facts may vary.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

Ozymandias is incredibly competent, and extremely fucking evil.

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He sacrificed half of New York to save the world, I wouldn't class that as evil

 

[Snidely Whiplash]

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He sacrificed half of New York to save the world, I wouldn't class that as evil

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What if his plan didn't work? Is he still not evil?

 

[Jak140]

I thought this was going to be a truther thread.

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while batshit insane, it would actually fit better with your analogy

 

[esbern]

no. he isn't. back to the drawing board

 

[Freshmaker]

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He sacrificed half of New York to save the world, I wouldn't class that as evil

Well, it is just NY. If it was New Orleans...

 

[Rorschach]

Truther, eh?

btw- this thread is total "HAI HAVE SOME SPOILERS LOLZ"

 

[JayDubya]

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What if his plan didn't work? Is he still not evil?

He's evil regardless. The

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mass murder of half the population in the largest city in America, with the better portion of the survivors inflicted with insanity and brain damage

is evil, whatever the result. The man is not moral, he's a monster.

And democracy then leads people to elect socialists, as Chile demonstrated.

And then when they get out of hand, a military junta slaughters them.

It's the ciiiiiiircle of Chiiiileee...

 

[Snidely Whiplash]

He's evil regardless. The

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mass murder of half the population in the largest city in America

is evil, whatever the result. The man is not moral, he's a monster.

That's what I was trying to say, kind of.

 

[Exempted]

Yes, his works will be eroded and forgotten by the sands of time.

 

[Gaborn]

Yes, his works will be eroded and forgotten by the sands of time.

No, you're thinking of LENIN

 

[JayDubya]

No, you're thinking of LENIN

That thread gave me the warm fuzzies. Glad to revisit it.

 

[Snidely Whiplash]

"I did the right thing, didn't I? It all worked out in the end."

"In the end? Nothing ends, Dubya. Nothing ever ends."

 

[FnordChan]

FnordChan

 

[Incognito]

Why the hell do people insist on spoiler tagging their replies as if they're providing some great, untold insight?

God, that shit is annoying.

 

[MisterHero]

Why the hell do people insist on spoiler tagging their replies as if they're providing some great, untold insight?

God, that shit is annoying.

They're spoiling an anticipated, upcoming movie, perhaps.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

He's evil regardless. The

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mass murder of half the population in the largest city in America, with the better portion of the survivors inflicted with insanity and brain damage

is evil, whatever the result. The man is not moral, he's a monster.

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No, he would of been evil if he allowed the world to destroy itself in Nucular warfare when he could of prevented it, those would be the actions of an immoral coward.

 

[Snidely Whiplash]

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No, he would of been evil if he allowed the world to destroy itself in Nucular warfare when he could of prevented it, those would be the actions of an immoral coward.

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Who said he prevented anything?

 

[JayDubya]

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No, he would of been evil if he allowed the world to destroy itself in Nucular warfare when he could of prevented it, those would be the actions of an immoral coward.

Bullshit, and here's why.

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Who would be dropping the bombs, again? Would he? Would the people in New York?

You're not guilty of what other people do. You're never guilty of what other people do. You are morally culpable for your own actions, though. And this particular fictional man was a mass murdering fuckhead. He deserved to be brought to justice for his crime.

 

[hokahey]

What if Iraq becomes a functional Democracy and inspires the rest of the middle east bringing about peace and prosperity for all?

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:lol

 

[Karakand]

Why the hell do people insist on spoiler tagging their replies as if they're providing some great, untold insight?

God, that shit is annoying.

OMG IS THAT A SPOILER people are so fucking annoying and pathetic we have been reduced to this. A couple of boards I visit have a 2 year rule (i.e. if it's more than 2 years old you're SOL) and it is so much better than the tyranny of the don't-consume-anything-in-a-timely-manner here.

 

[hokahey]

Whoa. You can't spoiler a smiley. Instead he gets an awesome Fresh Prince hair do!!!

 

[MisterHero]

Or a 22-year-old comic book. Oh, btw guys,

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rosebud is a sled and Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father.

To be fair, Moore's graphic novel masterpiece isn't as accessible as Orson Wells(sp?) or George Lucas' screenplays.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

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Who said he prevented anything?

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In which case the world consumes itself in Nuclear war, no less casualties than if he didn't try his plan. Also he did prevent the current hostile climate, doesn't Russia move out of Afghanistan because of his options? At the very least he's brought humanity time if he hasn't prevented the potential world ending conflict.

 

[EMBee99]

So does that make McClellan a pseudo-Rorschach, publishing his journals?

 

[Snidely Whiplash]

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In which case the world consumes itself in Nuclear war, no less casualties than if he didn't try his plan. Also he did prevent the current hostile climate, doesn't Russia move out of Afghanistan because of his options? At the very least he's brought humanity time if he hasn't prevented the potential world ending conflict.

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So since everyone is most likely going to die anyway some day, that makes mass murder alright?

 

[MisterHero]

Huh? You mean you can't go to any bookstore or library and pick it right up off the shelves? That sucks, man.

I mean you have to take several hours to read and understand it vs. the 2+hours that the movies give you and even say it outright.

Plus the GN is expensive compared to movies.

And yes the libraries may carry them, but mine has a crappy collection of both movies and comics. Thankfully though, that's not why I visit the library.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

Bullshit, and here's why.

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Who would be dropping the bombs, again? Would he? Would the people in New York?

You're not guilty of what other people do. You're never guilty of what other people do. You are morally culpable for your own actions, though. And this particular fictional man was a mass murdering fuckhead. He deserved to be brought to justice for his crime.

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You're not guilty of what others do, you're responsible for what you allow to happen, especially when you have a means to prevent it. Your distorted view of justice suggests it would be better to let the world end than attempt to stop it with a minor sacrifice (in comparison).

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So since everyone is most likely going to die anyway some day, that makes mass murder alright?

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When a certain number of people are going to die and the only possible solution is to kill a smaller number of people you'd be insane not to do it. Idealist views of equality are backwards and beyond stupid when the equality is everybody gets to die.

 

[BobbyRobby]

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In which case the world consumes itself in Nuclear war, no less casualties than if he didn't try his plan. Also he did prevent the current hostile climate, doesn't Russia move out of Afghanistan because of his options? At the very least he's brought humanity time if he hasn't prevented the potential world ending conflict.

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He wasn't sure that a war would erupt. It's like killing a man you have good reason to believe may murder someone, but no evidence.

 

[Snidely Whiplash]

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You're not guilty of what others do, you're responsible for what you allow to happen, especially when you have a means to prevent it. Your distorted view of justice suggests it would be better to let the world end than attempt to stop it with a minor sacrifice (in comparison).

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Maybe if those people he killed were willing participants in his plan it would be understandable, but they weren't. They were just innocent civilians who were murdered because of one evil genius' plan that may or may not have had any effect on the outcome he was trying to prevent at all. He's a mass murderer plain and simple, even in the event that he might have saved the world that doesn't make what he did any less wrong.

 

[Gildor]

I'm sure glad I finished the comic 2 weeks ago.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

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He wasn't sure that a war would erupt. It's like killing a man you have good reason to believe may murder someone, but no evidence.

He knew, he *was* the smartest *man* in the world. Manhatten knew, that's why he did what he did.

 

[JayDubya]

You're not guilty of what others do, you're responsible for what you allow to happen, especially when you have a means to prevent it. Your distorted view of justice suggests it would be better to let the world end than attempt to stop it with a minor sacrifice (in comparison).

Fuck it, there's a thread that mentions Ozymandias, there's a general consensus on GAF that Bush is evil, the first few posts make it clear anyway what's going on, and there's no way anyone that could make a meaningful contribution to this thread hasn't read Watchmen.

No, you're not responsible for what you allow to happen just because you have the means to prevent it, no matter whether those means are as ludicrously harmful and violent as the one that Ozzy employed, or involve no harm at all.

Cold utilitarian math does not justify mass murder.

 

[MisterHero]

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Maybe if those people he killed were willing participants in his plan it would be understandable, but they weren't. They were just innocent civilians who were murdered because of one evil genius' plan that may or may not have had any effect on the outcome he was trying to prevent at all. He's a mass murderer plain and simple, even in the event that he might have saved the world that doesn't make what he did any less wrong.

Maybe he doesn't deny what he did was wrong, but rather calculated it the more bearable of the two (or more?) possible outcomes.

 

[Snidely Whiplash]

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Maybe he doesn't deny what he did was wrong, but rather calculated it the more bearable of the two (or more?) possible outcomes.

Maybe, but he's not even completely confident in the rightness of his decision which makes me hate him as a character even more.

 

[EricDiesel]

 

[Rorschach]

OMG IS THAT A SPOILER people are so fucking annoying and pathetic we have been reduced to this. A couple of boards I visit have a 2 year rule (i.e. if it's more than 2 years old you're SOL) and it is so much better than the tyranny of the don't-consume-anything-in-a-timely-manner here.

A couple of boards you visit can suck my dick.

 

[The Elite]

OMG IS THAT A SPOILER people are so fucking annoying and pathetic we have been reduced to this. A couple of boards I visit have a 2 year rule (i.e. if it's more than 2 years old you're SOL) and it is so much better than the tyranny of the don't-consume-anything-in-a-timely-manner here.

Putting a spoiler in the thread title is fucking idiotic.

Or a 22-year-old comic book. Oh, btw guys,

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rosebud is a sled and Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father.

This is the stupidest fucking excuse ever. If someone had spoiled this for me when the comic was only 12 years old and I still hadn't read it then, you think that would have been ok? Or before you ever read it perhaps? This time = spoilers are ok bullshit is the stupidest concept I've ever heard of.

People should be allowed to discuss these things, no doubt, but leaving them out in the open like that is stupid.

 

[Exempted]

I'M THE BEST MAYNE

 

[Karakand]

A couple of boards you visit can suck my dick.

PM me when your penis is positioned in your floppy drive and I'll provide lynx.

Putting a spoiler in the thread title is fucking idiotic.

Not really. (The title is not a spoiler.)

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

No, you're not responsible for what you allow to happen just because you have the means to prevent it, no matter whether those means are as ludicrously harmful and violent as the one that Ozzy employed, or involve no harm at all.

Then you're no better than those who are causing it to happen, if anything you're worst. You're not responsible for your own decisions? Right'o...

 

[JayDubya]

Then you're no better than those who are causing it to happen, if anything you're worst. You're not responsible for your own decisions? Right'o...

You're worse than the people who are killing billions if you choose not to kill millions?

 

[Doytch]

I thought this was gonna be about the poem, "Ozymandias".

Does my nerd card get revoked?

 

[Stinkles]

I thought this was gonna be about the poem, "Ozymandias".

Does my nerd card get revoked?

No, since the character from the Watchmen is named after the Shelley poem, you're still a nerd.

 

[plovie]

Can he catch a bullet with his bare hands? Beat the shit out of Rorschach? I don't think so.

If he can, AWESOME