Dunkirk Teaser Trailer

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FUBAR McDangles said:
Reaction to this in my Suicide Squad showing was probably not what Nolan was going for.

Lots of people laughing and shaking their heads. Lots of people commenting on how dumb it looks. "Too artsy".

Anecdotal blah blah but I can totally see where that notion is coming from. The teaser shows nothing.
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Maybe cause they're not there target audience?
 
Solo said:
Some very nice shots but I cringe to think how overwrought the dialogue is going to be in this. A Nolan-written period piece set in WW2? Ehhhh....

At this point I basically expect (and receive) the same things from each of Nolan's films: gorgeous cinematography, large scope and ambition, and great actors and performances, mixed with poorly shot action and clunky exposition from characters who often serve as mere vessels to deliver said exposition. Oh, and bad extras/questionable decisions on what takes to use.

The day he once again directs a script that isn't his own and lets a proper second unit handle his action will be a glorious day.
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His films are usually pretty dense in plotting and extrinsic details that, while ambitious, really weigh the film down and cause that forced expository dialogue. I'm not saying he couldn't have handled it better in those films, but I hope he has the foresight to recognise that because this film (I imagine) will be pretty simple plot-wise and should really be quite naturally visual, he won't cram it with exposition. I'm not banking on it, but I wouldn't really be surprised if that was reeled back here.

Like, we're not dealing with a high concept sci-fi film with its own rules and concepts, nor are we dealing with a faux-realistic space film that needs to communicate a large assortment of heady scientific concepts. It's a war film we'll all probably grasp pretty quickly viscerally. One can hope.

FUBAR McDangles said:
Lots of people laughing and shaking their heads. Lots of people commenting on how dumb it looks. "Too artsy".
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Artsy? What does that even mean? It looks like a war film. Sure, there's sparse imagery mostly because it's still a year from release and that last shot is a little goofy, but laughing and shaking heads? How close minded have audiences become?
 
DecoReturns said:
I believe that Insomnia is the only movie of his that he didnt write, but I feel Prestige and Memento are better written then it
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All I know is its something that I first noticed in The Dark Knight (the clunky exposition dumping), which in retrospect seems quite mild because it's gotten significantly worse with each passing film since then. Inception was moreso than TDK, then TDKR was moreso than Inception, then Interstellar was even moreso than Inception.

I can live with him not being a good action director - there are very few who are great at that. But his dialogue and his over-reliance on exposition to tell the story is what kills me. Alfred giving Bruce Bane's stats and background in TKDR might be the single most painful example I can think of. Probably the worst scene Nolan has written.
 
Solo said:
All I know is its something that I first noticed in The Dark Knight (the clunky exposition dumping), which in retrospect seems quite mild because it's gotten significantly worse with each passing film since then. Inception was moreso than TDK, then TDKR was moreso than Inception, then Interstellar was even moreso than Inception.

I can live with him not being a good action director - there are very few who are great at that. But his dialogue and his over-reliance on exposition to tell the story is what kills me.
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Might be better since hes not creating a world with certain rules. Its a war Movie, you easily explain whats happen since theres no Sci fi stuff. Just a world people know and the enemy. I just hope it does focus on Dunkirk and not a love story somewhere.

Well see. Memento had a ton of Exposition (half the movie exposition, kinda), but was handle perfectly.
 
Solo said:
All I know is its something that I first noticed in The Dark Knight (the clunky exposition dumping), which in retrospect seems quite mild because it's gotten significantly worse with each passing film since then. Inception was moreso than TDK, then TDKR was moreso than Inception, then Interstellar was even moreso than Inception.

I can live with him not being a good action director - there are very few who are great at that. But his dialogue and his over-reliance on exposition to tell the story is what kills me. Alfred giving Bruce Bane's stats and background in TKDR might be the single most painful example I can think of. Probably the worst scene Nolan has written.
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Sadly, exposition - and lots of it - is needed for a lot of people. I'd love to see less of it, but I understand why it's there.
 
Solo said:
All I know is its something that I first noticed in The Dark Knight (the clunky exposition dumping), which in retrospect seems quite mild because it's gotten significantly worse with each passing film since then. Inception was moreso than TDK, then TDKR was moreso than Inception, then Interstellar was even moreso than Inception.

I can live with him not being a good action director - there are very few who are great at that. But his dialogue and his over-reliance on exposition to tell the story is what kills me.
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It actually sort of feels like Nolan has become less confident as a director as time has gone on, strangely. Like, The Prestige might be his most confident film - complex in plot and concept; structurally bouncing all over the place - and he seems to do all of this quite seamlessly while never losing sight of the characters and themes, which are almost definitely the strongest in any of his films. The performances from Jackman and Bale are fantastic. The film ebbs and flows in exciting, dynamic ways.

By TDKR and Interstellar, there's this absolute clunk to everything that's going on that I can't quite put my finger on. It extends past the obvious exposition and into the editing, the cinematography, the pacing. It all just feels quite rigid, like Nolan doesn't quite have the feel for what tone and pace each scene should be communicating to best reflect the story at the time. He doesn't quite seem to have the confidence to take the elements in a bold direction. It ends up feeling quite sterile.
 
I'm still interested in the film itself, but I'm not enthused by the teaser. My first problem with it is that it's trying to go for some sort of emotional response, but it's just too cold to pull that off properly. The other issue is that I'm a lot more interested in the fighting around the Dunkirk pocket (and the strategizing) than in the evacuation itself.

Smokey_Run said:
Sadly, exposition - and lots of it - is needed for a lot of people. I'd love to see less of it, but I understand why it's there.
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I don't know if exposition is necessary, but a lot of people could use more context. This teaser makes the assumption that its audience already knows about Dunkirk.
 
Dommo said:
It actually sort of feels like Nolan has become less confident as a director as time has gone on, strangely. Like, The Prestige might be his most confident film - complex in plot and concept; structurally bouncing all over the place - and he seems to do all of this quite seamlessly while never losing sight of the characters and themes, which are almost definitely the strongest in any of his films. The performances from Jackman and Bale are fantastic. The film ebbs and flows in exciting, dynamic ways.

By TDKR and Interstellar, there's this absolute clunk to everything that's going on that I can't quite put my finger on. It extends past the obvious exposition and into the editing, the cinematography, the pacing. It all just feels quite rigid, like Nolan doesn't quite have the feel for what tone and pace each scene should be communicating to best reflect the story at the time. He doesn't quite seem to have the confidence to take the elements in a bold direction. It ends up feeling quite sterile.
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I think the grind of film making started to take it's toll. He was literally coming off one blockbuster and jumping right back into the next with no real time to think about what he was doing next. Hopefully, the extra time between Interstellar and Dunkirk will fix that.
 
FUBAR McDangles said:
Reaction to this in my Suicide Squad showing was probably not what Nolan was going for.

Lots of people laughing and shaking their heads. Lots of people commenting on how dumb it looks. "Too artsy".

Anecdotal blah blah but I can totally see where that notion is coming from. The teaser shows nothing.
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I wasn't looking around to see if people were shaking their heads or anything, but I heard people audibly excited for it starting at Nolan's name on screen.
 
Dommo said:
It actually sort of feels like Nolan has become less confident as a director as time has gone on, strangely. Like, The Prestige might be his most confident film - complex in plot and concept; structurally bouncing all over the place - and he seems to do all of this quite seamlessly while never losing sight of the characters and themes, which are almost definitely the strongest in any of his films. The performances from Jackman and Bale are fantastic. The film ebbs and flows in exciting, dynamic ways.

By TDKR and Interstellar, there's this absolute clunk to everything that's going on that I can't quite put my finger on. It extends past the obvious exposition and into the editing, the cinematography, the pacing. It all just feels quite rigid, like Nolan doesn't quite have the feel for what tone and pace each scene should be communicating to best reflect the story at the time. He doesn't quite seem to have the confidence to take the elements in a bold direction. It ends up feeling quite sterile.
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I agree, but i don't think it has to do with confidence. He's always suffered this. Just go back and look at all his movies.

One thing he does is make really compelling imagery, that's his main shtick. As a storyteller he's not every good. None of his movies leave a lasting impression on you.
 
Dommo said:
It actually sort of feels like Nolan has become less confident as a director as time has gone on, strangely. Like, The Prestige might be his most confident film - complex in plot and concept; structurally bouncing all over the place - and he seems to do all of this quite seamlessly while never losing sight of the characters and themes, which are almost definitely the strongest in any of his films. The performances from Jackman and Bale are fantastic. The film ebbs and flows in exciting, dynamic ways.

By TDKR and Interstellar, there's this absolute clunk to everything that's going on that I can't quite put my finger on. It extends past the obvious exposition and into the editing, the cinematography, the pacing. It all just feels quite rigid, like Nolan doesn't quite have the feel for what tone and pace each scene should be communicating to best reflect the story at the time. He doesn't quite seem to have the confidence to take the elements in a bold direction. It ends up feeling quite sterile.
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This is really well put and something I hadn't thought of to that extent, but I'm feeling what you are saying. Perhaps it's the pressure (probably mostly self induced rather than from WB) of trying to continually out do his previous effort that has led to this.
 
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Got lazy to add the studio logo stuff though.
 
Mad Season said:
So uh,,, is that smiling dude always going to be in the film or can Nolan edit that out?
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I'd imagine they'll leave him or use an alternate take.


I mean, go back to the big Wall St. battle in TDKR. If you pay attention hard enough, you'll some dudes phoning the fuck in when it came to fighting each other.
 
4Tran said:
I don't know if exposition is necessary, but a lot of people could use more context. This teaser makes the assumption that its audience already knows about Dunkirk.
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I disagree with this. It's a teaser, it's supposed to make you wonder what the fuck Dunkirk is if you don't know.
 
Mad Season said:
So uh,,, is that smiling dude always going to be in the film or can Nolan edit that out?
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I think your eye is supposed to be on the man in the very bottom of the shot. I would assume they only really care about his performance because they want you to be looking at him.

Nolan doesn't seem to really give a shit about his extras as long as he gets whatever it is he's looking for out of a particular shot. In this case, I assume it has to be the man at the bottom of the frame.

I didn't even notice what the rest of the extras were doing the first time I watched it, I was only really focused on that one extra.
 
Not a good teaser.

I'm not really anymore excited having seen that then I was when all I knew was that Nolan was making a movie called Dunkirk.
 
FUBAR McDangles said:
Reaction to this in my Suicide Squad showing was probably not what Nolan was going for.

Lots of people laughing and shaking their heads. Lots of people commenting on how dumb it looks. "Too artsy".

Anecdotal blah blah but I can totally see where that notion is coming from. The teaser shows nothing.
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It's almost as if it were meant to 'tease'.


Also a Nolan movie too "artsy"? Where was this theatre? Stockton?
 
FUBAR McDangles said:
Reaction to this in my Suicide Squad showing was probably not what Nolan was going for.

Lots of people laughing and shaking their heads. Lots of people commenting on how dumb it looks. "Too artsy".
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Well those people were never meant to see anything smarter anyway.



I'm joking



Mostly
 
I think I'm excited about this film, but I hope Nolan isn't overcompensating for all of the Batman and sci-fi by steering into unbearably ponderous Oscar bait.
 
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