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E3 2008 Nintendo Conference
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later said:
I know, I know. For Corruption there's a reason: there won't be a Metroid game for a while and I'm gonna play it if the need for Metroid gets too strong (and if my college work is finally done so I can 100% that fucker).
360 and DS get most of my attention game-wise, the Wii gets neglected a bit too much. Last game I bought was Z&W, which I still haven't completed yet. It's fun for a while but after I complete a level and turn it off I never feel the need to go back again. Stopped when I completed the fire world.
I've noticed though that Z&W is a game that gets more fun when you play it with a friend though
raYne said:
:lol
So am I.
I still can't believe how bad this E3 was.
Pikmin and AC....that's it. :lol
NO FZero
NO Starfox
NO Retro Studios
NO Kid Icarus
NO Disaster: DoC
NO Kick ass Holiday 1st party DS game
NO anything that would be remotely interesting to the hardcore.
Don't get me wrong, Pikmin ad AC are fun games but come one....couldn't the at least make an announcement to let us know these games exists?
Dropped the ball is an understatement
Interview with Miyamoto where he basically says E3 isn't really where Nintendo will be focusing on "core" games:
"I think that theres probably one other element to it, and thats that our view of how we use E3 has changed. For a very long time, E3 was an event where and certainly Nintendo included catered specifically to the core gamer. Now we look at more an opportunity for us to introduce new concepts and new types of play that we intend to bring to the broader audience, particularly because of the media that gathers at E3 now.
So while attending an E3 event like this, they might be given the impression that Nintendo is no longer focusing on the games that appeal to the core gamer, in fact were still working on many of those titles, but its just not the type of event where well be showcasing that anymore. "
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25710005/
Also, from an interview with Nintendo's PR guy:
I think that what you're seeing here at E3 is a very small subset of the games that we have.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=19457
"I think that theres probably one other element to it, and thats that our view of how we use E3 has changed. For a very long time, E3 was an event where and certainly Nintendo included catered specifically to the core gamer. Now we look at more an opportunity for us to introduce new concepts and new types of play that we intend to bring to the broader audience, particularly because of the media that gathers at E3 now.
So while attending an E3 event like this, they might be given the impression that Nintendo is no longer focusing on the games that appeal to the core gamer, in fact were still working on many of those titles, but its just not the type of event where well be showcasing that anymore. "
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25710005/
Also, from an interview with Nintendo's PR guy:
I think that what you're seeing here at E3 is a very small subset of the games that we have.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=19457
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Not mine, but still funny.
-WindYoshi-
Banned
It's all groupthink.
Once it was declared that E3 was saved, in a "hip" way so to speak, the sheep followed. The same way they followed a few days earlier in not being able to realize that just because games weren't shown, it didn't mean there were none in development.
Man, sometimes people are just...
*facepalm*
Think for yourselves, people.
And with that, this thread is just about over.
Glad they made it official.
Once it was declared that E3 was saved, in a "hip" way so to speak, the sheep followed. The same way they followed a few days earlier in not being able to realize that just because games weren't shown, it didn't mean there were none in development.
Man, sometimes people are just...
*facepalm*
Think for yourselves, people.
schuelma said:
And with that, this thread is just about over.
Glad they made it official.
Which means no more Megatons à la TP in 2004. :[schuelma said:
Btw, the interview is pretty interesting. He also assumes that the next generation may be more about refinements than big changes:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25710005/page/2/
Hell yeah, please put 2 more buttons near the A-button! And the MotionPlus already integrated.
Case said:
If I had to guess, I would bet that we'll see a "Holiday Media Summit" in San Fran in August/Sept where Fatal Frame and some mid tier core franchise will be announced.
Then, I fully expect another October conference in Japan where some bombs will be dropped.
Thread is not over yet.
No news about core franchises (Zelda, Mario)
No news about secondary franchise (Kirby, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, Punch Out, Pilotwings, FZero...)
No new IP
No new DS killer app
No new wiiware title
No new Wii channel
No new DS/Wii Connectivity
No new wiiboard title
No new storage solution
No new color
No dashboard update with online friend list
...
Nintendo is a secret company, but come on. Their core audience deserved more than this Myamoto "sorry but you came to the wrong place" statement.
No news about core franchises (Zelda, Mario)
No news about secondary franchise (Kirby, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, Punch Out, Pilotwings, FZero...)
No new IP
No new DS killer app
No new wiiware title
No new Wii channel
No new DS/Wii Connectivity
No new wiiboard title
No new storage solution
No new color
No dashboard update with online friend list
...
Nintendo is a secret company, but come on. Their core audience deserved more than this Myamoto "sorry but you came to the wrong place" statement.
I think this is the main issue. Sure some Nintendo Defence Force personnel may say "STFU haters, just coz they didn't show anything not aimed at casuals doesn't they don't have it under way."marc^o^ said:
But why then, do they not treat said core gamers to something to let them know that they still have Nintendo's attention? Nintendo's list of announced up-coming games had all but run dry long before E3 began, so it isn't odd for these core gamers to expect them to have revealed what's in store for the next 6 months.
Revealing absolutely nothing while showcasing these casual games that everyone already knew about, it really is a huge kick in the balls. Whether they intended it or not, to core gamers, it does appear as a signal that Nintendo simply doesn't care, and these core games will only come once in a while as a side thought.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
hc2 said:
Sometimes I wonder who convinced Iwata and co. to make a so hardcore, high budget and quality game for Wii.
yoopoo said:
I think he speaks for Nintendo's games.
Mama Robotnik
Member
Had to mirror this again as my photobucket account was killed faster than a gerbil in a nuclear reactor.
Mithos Yggdrasill said:
My god, E3 has quite literally struck you dumb. Miyamoto just confirmed what their intentions are for E3, and you're ignoring that, continuing this ridiculous speculation that somehow Nintendo 'don't do core no more.' Really? They don't? Then what the hell have they been releasing, by a massive majority, the last two years?
birdchili said:so... "core" games in 2010?
the constant focus on mario/zelda as the things you do to keep more traditional gamer types on board is tiring - you could do soooo many things with the hardware in a fraction of the time that would be interesting to these folk.
Like Rhythm Tengoku, Fire Emblem, Wario Land?
Or perhaps something on WiiWare - noting that Nintendo in Japan tend to only announce WiiWare titles - even their own - a week before release.
i have very high hopes for nintendo on wiiware. they haven't showed their hand at all yet, but they did mention they have some "experimental" stuff brewing - that sounds fine to me.swerve said:
i'm obviously joking about 2010, but it's killing me watching the remote be underutilized in genres where it would be such a fantastic interface.
While I've defended the majority of Nintendo's presser because they're just continuing to cater to the market they've created, Wii Music is a joke. Their strategy toward the "hardcores" - we'll drop a Mario, Zelda, and Metroid from time to time. Go ahead and get a 360/PS3 as your main system - has largely remained the same, but Wii Music is stupid. This is a distraction for small children, as even the most casual adults couldn't possibly enjoy it. Except for maybe Cammie, but she seemed easily amused.
So we get it, Nintendo is going for the family friendly angle as always, but do you have to devote so much of the press conference to it? Who in the press cares about this thing, aside from perhaps the mainstream newspaper press that may be in attendance? But even those journalists who may be more toward the casual gaming end of the spectrum are adults can see that the game requires 0 skill. Making accessible pick up and play games is one thing, making a glorified version of these:
is another and spending so much time on it at your press conference is a waste. Show a trailer at the most, but preferably, just issue a press release, air a commercial during The View, and be done with it.
So we get it, Nintendo is going for the family friendly angle as always, but do you have to devote so much of the press conference to it? Who in the press cares about this thing, aside from perhaps the mainstream newspaper press that may be in attendance? But even those journalists who may be more toward the casual gaming end of the spectrum are adults can see that the game requires 0 skill. Making accessible pick up and play games is one thing, making a glorified version of these:
is another and spending so much time on it at your press conference is a waste. Show a trailer at the most, but preferably, just issue a press release, air a commercial during The View, and be done with it.
worldrunover
Member
LOL, this thread reminds me of the Kamp Krusty episode of the Simpsons, and all the hardcore fans are like Bart in the corner repeating "Zelda is coming... Zelda is coming..." and then the whole thing turns to hell. :lol
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
What happened to games like ASH, Soma Bringer and Professor Layton 2? All 3 are near confirmed in various ways yet Nintendo showed nothing on them. I understand Nintendo's view of E3 as a publicity stunt for their casual games. But it is their recent and upcoming release schedule that is confounding me :/
Azure Dream
Member
swerve said:
Those two are creative tools. (And they also had minigames that did require some skill. Who can forget the flyswatter game?) As far as we know, Wii Music has a dedicated drum function, maybe a little freestyle waggle, but it's almost entirely "shake to the beat." It's not a creative tool like an artwork program or a tiny digital camera way before those were cheap and accessible.
Nintendo is treading dangerously close to becoming a second Square-Enix to me. There are really a disturbing number of parallels in the way I think of the two companies:grandjedi6 said:
-Have loads of games in development, but nobody gets to see them
-Always innovating for innovation's own sake, or if not innovating then at least refusing to do the same game twice
-Ridiculous number of spinoffs for the company's flagship franchise
-Every so often the company creates totally original brilliance, but since it can't stack up to more major franchises, it may end up being a one-shot thing never to be seen again (Drill Dozer, The World Ends With You)
-Extra industry non-standard expenses needed to enjoy their new games (copious numbers of peripherals, Square-Enix tax)
And on a more personal note, the games I'm most looking forward to in the future from either Nintendo or S-E are remakes of their older classics, whereas I meet all too many of their new games with a firm indifference--and any games they have in development that might potentially excite me aren't being shown, so I can't be happy there either. Worrisome indeed.
yeah i was hoping to hear news on fe, a.s.h., and soma bringer localizations at e3-kinda a bummmer. hopefully we'll hear news on those games before 2009. in hindsight it makes sense cause e3 was for mass audiences but those games are niche exceot maybe layton.grandjedi6 said:
Mama Robotnik
Member
kibitzer said:
Hope it wasn't over-hyped.
-WindYoshi- said:
Well people were saying E3 was basically over all alone. When you think about it, the games that shone at this event were all third party titles, and most were games we already knew about. Either way Nintendo might be stubborn but they arent stupid. Im sure we'll see new franchises on the way before Christmas.
My god, how fucking fake can she sound?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIKbgigO5e4
You can just feel the enthusiasm.
She's right there with the giant enemy crab guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIKbgigO5e4
You can just feel the enthusiasm.
She's right there with the giant enemy crab guy.