-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
e3 Predictions. MS vs. Sony vs. Ninty
- Thread starter akascream
- Start date
soundwave05
Member
Akia said:
And then Reggie and Nick Carter will beat the crap out of her for being an unfaithful whore.
soundwave05
Member
DCharlie said:
Sony will probably show something crazy like Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within running in real time on the PS3 or some photorealistic Gran Turismo video.
CrimsonSkies said:
Where's the real CrimsonSkies???
Obviously, X-BOX 360 is going to be big with us Americaners, so much so that Sony & Nintendo will likely be taking potshots at it. I see Sony saying: "don't buy the new X-BOX, buy a PSP instead to tide you over until PS3 comes out" and they'll also say: "HD era, pffft, we're the one with the HiDef BluRay format & better graphics, not MS". Nintendo will say: "we're filling out this generation more completly while one of our competitor's is making a premature jump" and they'll also focus on the fact that 'cos of that premature jump GCN will likely end up ahead of X-BOX in sales when it's all said and done (especially if there's a pricedrop, redesign, peripherals & a budget line of software created to help extend the life of & add to the appeal of the GCN).
MightyHedgehog
Member
DrGAKMAN said:
No, they'd be saying, "Don't buy a DS, buy the real next-step in portable gaming, PSP"
No, IMO. GC is deader than an asphalt-addicted armadillo on a Texas highway. The system just doesn't appeal to as many as the XBOX...sales of software and the consoles help to prove this idea. And with the system receiving less and less, compared to the XBOX, it's doomed to trail off after the new LOZ hits and has its moment to shine for the platform. XBOX, IMO, will continue to outpace GC in sales for the rest of '05 and probably well into '06, save for LOZ's very probable temporary spike in system sales later this year.
I doubt that GC will receive a major system redesign of any kind...not with it being the second-worst selling Nintendo system after the VB. They'll just let existing stock clear out of the warehouses and that will be that since Revolution will be backwardly compatible with it.
MightyHedgehog said:
Sony won't mention NDS at all...they're focus at E3 will be to try to take focus off of the next X-BOX. And don't think that with X-BOX 360 & PSP being the newest/hottest things out this Christmas won't draw comparison's between the two in some way...why...'cos they'll both be competiting for the "adult gamer" dollar & don't think Sony won't say "wait for PS3, don't buy X-BOX 360 buy a PSP to tide you over instead"!
MightyHedgehog said:
Wait...so not only will X-BOX continue to outsell GCN even though it likely won't be supported (with software *and* hardware, mind you) much past X-BOX 360 launch...but GCN is already so dead it can't be sold as a budget console??? Zelda, the new PokeMon & whatever else is left in the pipes for 2006 will help the GCN sell beyond this year despite the new X-BOX. Yeah, it won't be on spectacular levels...but to the super-budget gamer (like the $50 PSone before it) it will have SOME selling power there...especially with a pricedrop (and/or less likely re-design) and a few fun peripherals, budget games released up until Revolution. Nintendo isn't just gonna sit back and not capitalize on a market that even Sony *still* makes money off of. Nothing show-stopping, nothing ground-breaking or earth-shattering...but *definatly* something to keep it goin past when MS stops making the original X-BOX, launches the new one, on into 2006 and maybe even after the Revolution launches.
We all get your point, X-BOX is "cooler" than GCN...doesn't mean Nintendo still can't make money off the cube. By how you word it you make it seem like Nintendo should just give up now and not even freakin' release Zelda. Third parties may not be with GCN, and no BIG game beyond Zelda, but that doesn't mean it's completly dead...there's still budget gamer bottom feeders Nintendo can make money on...something MS can't do with X-BOX 'cos X-BOX 360 will already be out by then and the first X-BOX isn't likely to be made for much longer past that let alone it won't reach a budget price or get a redesign. Just 'cos MS can't do it, doesn't mean Nintendo won't do it. I think they will just to spite X-BOX & outsell it in the end (and not just worldwide).
MightyHedgehog
Member
DrGAKMAN said:
Their focus will be PSP, PS2, and a enough information (and perhaps media) about the PS3. They won't be dedicated to taking the focus off of X360, as that's the least of their worries right now. They've got to take care of the stuff out there and I highly doubt that they'd ever tout the PSP as something to get instead of X360..they've got to do some real damage in the space that system lives and breathes in...the handheld space. If anything, they'll likely focus on PS2 as the main bit against the X360 for now with the promise of a superior console in PS3 down the road.
You're assuming that the current XBOX will simply be killed off dramatically by MS with the advent of the X360. They've already stated their intentions to support the system for another year or so...I'll take them at their word, since they did make the effort to make the statement anyway. XBOX might not be supported with MS' own titles, but outside of the Halos, the system has always thrived due to third party support in general...something that cannot be said of the GC...which lives and dies by Nintendo's own software support.
I agree that an aggressive drop to the $49 level makes GC a much, much more attractive proposition, but if you cannot sell a console very competitively at the $99 level against others who are 50% or more higher in their price, you've got problems that don't have anything to do with the console's price. And that problem is the general lack of third party support that the average gamer gives a shit about.
I never said that Nintendo would not make money on the system, but that it would trail off in sales after their last hurrah, the new LOZ, was released. The whole cool bit might sound superficial, but really, that's what has always made people buy consoles. NES, SNES, Genesis, PS1, PS2, N64, the Game Boy line...all cool. Certainly cool enough to sell and sell and sell because the games on the systems made them cool. XBOX isn't just gonna disappear from retail shelves this fall, and if there's one console's retail real estate which will suffer a hefty loss of space due to low demand, it's the GC. Anecdotal evidence: XBOX already dominates over the GC's space on average in the stores I visit...and it's been like this for well over a year. Once the X360 hits the retail channels, XBOX will still exist in its place and suffer a loss of space, while GC will give up much more of its own to the X360, IMO. I don't see GC surpassing XBOX in its lifetime...nope. Just not enough software support from third parties and not enough software sales to justify a sustained level of console sales to do so unless XBOX is actually pulled from production and killed-off so quickly.
Of course, this is all my opinion. Feel free to rip on it all ya like. ;P
sonycowboy
Member
DCharlie said:
Prediction #1: lots of xbots trying to convince everyone that the demos they see on the Xbox360 are "real" and the more impressive videos of the PS3 are "purely mockups".
Prediction #2: DCharlie will bust Sony's balls (and Sony "fanboys") and yet be completely impressed and shocked at how well Microsoft performs at E3
Doom_Bringer
Banned
sonycowboy said:Prediction #1: lots of xbots trying to convince everyone that the demos they see on the Xbox360 are "real" and the more impressive videos of the PS3 are "purely mockups".
Prediction #2: DCharlie will bust Sony's balls (and Sony "fanboys") and yet be completely impressed and shocked at how well Microsoft performs at E3
MS won't show any demos, they will show games. There is a small chance the Sony might show PS3 games
sonycowboy
Member
Doom_Bringer said:
Q: What do you call an unfinished game:
A: A demo = demonstration of the game (they can be playable or unplayable)
I do agree that Xbox 360 will have lots of playable demos and the PS3 will probably have none. But they will both have "demos".
Prediction: sonycowboy will challenge any and everything anti-sony. Oh wait....sonycowboy said:Prediction #1: lots of xbots trying to convince everyone that the demos they see on the Xbox360 are "real" and the more impressive videos of the PS3 are "purely mockups".
Prediction #2: DCharlie will bust Sony's balls (and Sony "fanboys") and yet be completely impressed and shocked at how well Microsoft performs at E3
Doom_Bringer
Banned
sonycowboy said:
It could also be something like the GT demo, FF8 dance scene and showing of other features ps3 is capable of. Were they all games? (refering to the ruber duck and other PS2 tech demos) Real games? No, only tech demos.
MS will have REAL games, Perfect Dark, PGR3, Gears of War etc.
sonycowboy
Member
PhatSaqs said:
I predict you'll be wrong. I'll only challenge maybe 5% and I'll also knock Sony for some things and give credit to Microsoft for some things. But, keep on riding that horse. It makes for good TV.
jadehorizon1
Member
I think PS3 tech demos is what Sony had ready to show in March when they were planning on unvieling PS3 ... if they dont want to be embarrassed off their asses they know theyll need something more concrete and real if they want to overshadow Xbox 360's whole lineup of real playable games. I predict trailers ... several trailers, one of which will obviously be Ridge Racer PS3
Doom_Bringer
Banned
jadehorizon1 said:
Oni by Koei
LA Noir by Team Bondi
Heavenly Sword
FPS by Ratchet & Clank team
etc
any of those could be at the show, so there is a small chance that there might be playable PS3 games at the show.
.akascream said:
Uh... huh.
May I remind you guys what the other systems launched with previously? By far this is the best lineup, both look wise and play wise, ever.
Not a winner? Microsoft gives you gold, you give them shit. Sony gives you shit and you give them gold.
It makes absolutely no fucking sense.
VictimOfGrief
Banned
While trying to not be too fanboy'ish about this, this years E3 is pretty hard to not favor one camp over the next.
That being said....
Microsoft:
- Xbox sales are still going strong, Allurd most likely will note that 2005 is the strongest year ever for the xbox (oh boy, they finally poked their heads above the water)
- The keynote speach will talk about the fluid transistion from one generation to the next. Leaving the option of MS either taking the high road and pushing X360 on everyone and saying something like "We expect most all of our user base to climb on board with us...." for the new system. What they CANNOT do is dog the Xbox. MS's PR campaign is paying off, but to what expense? If they piss off the user base by saying "Sorry you guys are in the last gen, here's the next-gen" they will burn some bridges.
- MS will have at least 20 games available at launch, one's not annouced last night on MTV due to some suprises for E3.
- Xbox Live (2) will most lkely be given a different name.
- Software is going to be what is pushed, the hardware is supplemental to the software.
Key Pro's and Con's for MS:
+ They've got a strong user base with the Xbox now
+ They have a killer next-gen system which is posed to take a chunk of Sony's market
+ Applications, connectivity, transations, customization is what is popular and still a strong selling point.
- Microsoft has to please two parties: Xbox owners and future Xbox 360 owners
- The PR is going to have to be on a global scale, not just US and EU. They HAVE to win Japan before the system comes out.
- Unclear on backwards compat and no firm stance from MS on this issue. This will make/break for some gamers.
Nintendo:
- Nintendo has the name brand that has punch. They are still known throughout the gaming industry and STILL a household name.
- The key for them winning is NOT "non" kiddie games (while that would help) but marketing their system as a "MUST HAVE" for the home.
- The Revolution has to draw the gamer into the experience not only with graphics, but inovations in the first party software. Nintendo cannot survive off rehash this round.
- Reggie has to believe in what he says. There is no way around the fact that if he cannot deliver Nintendo to at least #2 place this next-gen, Nintendo is pretty done on the hardware end.
- Nintendo has strong first party titles that many loyal Nintendo fans have grown to love, but Nintendo needs to reward those fans with even newer franchises that address the entire gamer spectrum.
Pro's and Con's for Nintendo:
+ They're Nintendo - They've got the Name for games.
+ Reggie and the hype behind the "Revolution" is something new and fresh for the gamers.
+ Metroid, Zelda and Mario will be back for more in the next-gen
+ The hardware must push the software, Nintendo MUST win in North America to stay alive.
- Nintendo in the eyes of most gamers have lost the past 2 generations
- Hardware sales lacking make the software stagnant
- New franchises are needed to attract new gamers, Nintendo might not be ready to make that jump.
Sony:
- Sony has established itself as a "real" player in the video game industry. With it's name 2nd only to Nintendo, the "PlayStation" is the largest grossing game console of our time.
- Sony's needs to present itself as self-innovating and showing that it can out play MS at it's own game. Marketing the Next-Gen system as "the fun box" with the same if not MORE features than X360 is offering.
- Online is a MUST for the PS3 this time around, Sony knows this, MS knows this. If the Sony giant can create an enviroment as "good" as Xbox Live (if not better) with more content, more features and faster speeds, Sony will start to establish itself ahead of XBL.
- Sony has basically 3 machines to push. PSTwo, PSP and PS3. Conveying a coherent, concreate road map for each system and how they interact with each other is what Sony needs to present. There needs to be a "reason" each gamer has all 3 in their homes.
- C.E.L.L. needs to be playable. Sony knows that with a year off from launch and X360 coming this November, they need software and hardware PLAYABLE on the showroom floor, not behind closed doors, but something that the industry can touch and experience.
Pro's and Con's for Sony:
+ They're Sony and their pockets are deep
+ PSOne, PSTwo, PSP, PS3 - Established names within the gaming industry.
+ Great content, exclusive titles for first rev (GTA), excellent first party games (God of War, Gran Turismo etc) and improving 3rd part support every day.
- Sony needs to hammer down on junk software or junk games. No "garbage" games that get approved. Taking a que from Nintendo: "Quality over quantity" (Thanks Howard Lincoln R.I.P. :lol )
- Sony must have hardware that is at least half of a generation ahead of the other game companies. If they cannot maintain market share with their system for at least 6-8 years, they may fall to Microsoft.
- Rumors that the PS3 is still difficult to develop for.
There you have it.
That being said....
Microsoft:
- Xbox sales are still going strong, Allurd most likely will note that 2005 is the strongest year ever for the xbox (oh boy, they finally poked their heads above the water)
- The keynote speach will talk about the fluid transistion from one generation to the next. Leaving the option of MS either taking the high road and pushing X360 on everyone and saying something like "We expect most all of our user base to climb on board with us...." for the new system. What they CANNOT do is dog the Xbox. MS's PR campaign is paying off, but to what expense? If they piss off the user base by saying "Sorry you guys are in the last gen, here's the next-gen" they will burn some bridges.
- MS will have at least 20 games available at launch, one's not annouced last night on MTV due to some suprises for E3.
- Xbox Live (2) will most lkely be given a different name.
- Software is going to be what is pushed, the hardware is supplemental to the software.
Key Pro's and Con's for MS:
+ They've got a strong user base with the Xbox now
+ They have a killer next-gen system which is posed to take a chunk of Sony's market
+ Applications, connectivity, transations, customization is what is popular and still a strong selling point.
- Microsoft has to please two parties: Xbox owners and future Xbox 360 owners
- The PR is going to have to be on a global scale, not just US and EU. They HAVE to win Japan before the system comes out.
- Unclear on backwards compat and no firm stance from MS on this issue. This will make/break for some gamers.
Nintendo:
- Nintendo has the name brand that has punch. They are still known throughout the gaming industry and STILL a household name.
- The key for them winning is NOT "non" kiddie games (while that would help) but marketing their system as a "MUST HAVE" for the home.
- The Revolution has to draw the gamer into the experience not only with graphics, but inovations in the first party software. Nintendo cannot survive off rehash this round.
- Reggie has to believe in what he says. There is no way around the fact that if he cannot deliver Nintendo to at least #2 place this next-gen, Nintendo is pretty done on the hardware end.
- Nintendo has strong first party titles that many loyal Nintendo fans have grown to love, but Nintendo needs to reward those fans with even newer franchises that address the entire gamer spectrum.
Pro's and Con's for Nintendo:
+ They're Nintendo - They've got the Name for games.
+ Reggie and the hype behind the "Revolution" is something new and fresh for the gamers.
+ Metroid, Zelda and Mario will be back for more in the next-gen
+ The hardware must push the software, Nintendo MUST win in North America to stay alive.
- Nintendo in the eyes of most gamers have lost the past 2 generations
- Hardware sales lacking make the software stagnant
- New franchises are needed to attract new gamers, Nintendo might not be ready to make that jump.
Sony:
- Sony has established itself as a "real" player in the video game industry. With it's name 2nd only to Nintendo, the "PlayStation" is the largest grossing game console of our time.
- Sony's needs to present itself as self-innovating and showing that it can out play MS at it's own game. Marketing the Next-Gen system as "the fun box" with the same if not MORE features than X360 is offering.
- Online is a MUST for the PS3 this time around, Sony knows this, MS knows this. If the Sony giant can create an enviroment as "good" as Xbox Live (if not better) with more content, more features and faster speeds, Sony will start to establish itself ahead of XBL.
- Sony has basically 3 machines to push. PSTwo, PSP and PS3. Conveying a coherent, concreate road map for each system and how they interact with each other is what Sony needs to present. There needs to be a "reason" each gamer has all 3 in their homes.
- C.E.L.L. needs to be playable. Sony knows that with a year off from launch and X360 coming this November, they need software and hardware PLAYABLE on the showroom floor, not behind closed doors, but something that the industry can touch and experience.
Pro's and Con's for Sony:
+ They're Sony and their pockets are deep
+ PSOne, PSTwo, PSP, PS3 - Established names within the gaming industry.
+ Great content, exclusive titles for first rev (GTA), excellent first party games (God of War, Gran Turismo etc) and improving 3rd part support every day.
- Sony needs to hammer down on junk software or junk games. No "garbage" games that get approved. Taking a que from Nintendo: "Quality over quantity" (Thanks Howard Lincoln R.I.P. :lol )
- Sony must have hardware that is at least half of a generation ahead of the other game companies. If they cannot maintain market share with their system for at least 6-8 years, they may fall to Microsoft.
- Rumors that the PS3 is still difficult to develop for.
There you have it.
VictimOfGrief said:
Yeah, we saw how that worked before. Which is to say, it didn't work at all and it fucking sucked ass.
Company in 1st place = always get most garbage games = this never will change.
Don't buy the garbage games, only buy the good. Who the fuck cares what else comes.
VictimOfGrief
Banned
Amir0x said:
Depends, if there's another god damn olsen twin's game, the company that gets that on their desk better piss on it.
XBOX 360 PREDICTIONS:
1) By the end of E3, PDO won't be hated anywhere near as much as it currently is hated. It will be liked by many, actually, even graphically.
2) DOA4 videos will impress
3) There will be at least 5-6 truly "Next Gen" Xbox 360 games available at launch.
4) 360 will win best of show (hardware)
1) By the end of E3, PDO won't be hated anywhere near as much as it currently is hated. It will be liked by many, actually, even graphically.
2) DOA4 videos will impress
3) There will be at least 5-6 truly "Next Gen" Xbox 360 games available at launch.
4) 360 will win best of show (hardware)
VictimOfGrief said:
Why? Sony is making sure they carefully orchestrate their appeal to the vast Olsen twin fanbase that buys PS2! Pre-teens all around the country eargerly await the next factory-cranked shitfest that contains Mary-Kate and Ashley, and certainly you can understand why these games are not made for you!
Certainly!
Doom_Bringer
Banned
Amir0x said:
*yawn* why are you wasting your time with that guy?
VictimOfGrief
Banned
Amir0x said:
Doom_Bringer
Banned
Amir0x said:
lol, come on amirox you are smart lad,
don't waste time arguing with retards
disabledHeliocentric
Member
I have not been blown away by what I've seen thus far from Microsoft. I've seen a few games which I think are more or less adequate for what a next gen system should deliver, but nothing that's a killer app, so I really think Sony has a great opportunity to show us if indeed their hardware truly is that much more powerful, and if it is I think videoclips of some screaming wow inducing games could kill some of the Microsoft momentum, for myself, because it will establish the next gen begins with PS3 and that XBOX 360 is more like XBOX 180.
So, I hope for Microsoft's sake they show things more along the lines of gears of war, and less like those other games, which look like things quickly shoveled over to xbox 360, which makes me think a lot of developers are saving their big next gen surprises for ps3's launch, throwing Microsoft their scraps.
So, I hope for Microsoft's sake they show things more along the lines of gears of war, and less like those other games, which look like things quickly shoveled over to xbox 360, which makes me think a lot of developers are saving their big next gen surprises for ps3's launch, throwing Microsoft their scraps.
Pedigree Chum
Banned
DCharlie said:
:lol
I can see DC furiously editing this post now.