Eddie-Griffin
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Acorn made the RISC to my knowledge, so yes, you are correct.
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Early 3D gaming graphical showcase thread (Atari ST, Amiga, Acorn Arc32)
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Acorn made the RISC to my knowledge, so yes, you are correct.
Panajev2001a
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IBM had a RISC design 6-7 years before Acorn released the Archimedes, but yes Acorn had the first RISC home computer
.It's interesting - IBM technically had a Risc chip before Risc was even a term with the 801, and that was in early-mid 70ies. But that's kind of cheating since it was a processor without a lot of the features that would define modern CPUs for next 40 years. Design you reference would have been early 80ies - what was that?IBM had a RISC design 6-7 years before Acorn released the Archimedes, but yes Acorn had the first RISC home computer
On another note - Mips actually has a claim to "first commercial RISC processor available to all companies", with the R2000, which did apparently beat Acorn's first Risc chip to the market. Though I don't think Mips chips made it into consumer devices until the N64 (they were in a lot of workstations though).
Clear
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I only made the distinction as "proper" 3d and pseudo-3d screen effects favoured different hardware back in the day. Essentially its the beginning of the split between sprite/playfield and bitmap display specialist systems, with the increase in processing capability over the years obviously favouring the latter.
Eddie-Griffin
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I was only helping the guy try to date the earliest third person action game, i wasn't comparing Rainbow Walker to actual 3D (which this thread focuses on).
Everything was better than Amiga at 3D, even Tandy. That architecture was for 2D games and sprites. The other chipsets did almost nothing to remedy the problem either.
I thought Amiga would do good with hybrids, game with Sprites and polygons, there's this one Z-axis space shooter that looks good in stills that I though the Amiga would run well with some polygons on the field and it played like someone was flipping through a presentation.
Found it
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Sadly true, the bitplane system was good for flexibility but totally a relic of early/mid-80's thinking. A byte-per-pixel layout would have made a huge difference.
That being said, the copperlist hack methods employed by later titles were an ingenious fix, and there were a few decent 3d titles on the platform.
Eddie-Griffin
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There are some impressive 3D titles that run playable on the Amiga even during it's life span, although they were slower than the competition developers did find ways to get things working.
No Second Prize is one of the smoothest 3D games on the Amiga period.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
F/A 18 Interceptor was a significant moment in gaming for me. First 3D Amiga game l played and it just blew me away with it's sound and graphics for the time. Even though it only had a limited set of missions l really enjoyed the game and the designer made it incredibly accessible. Still remember that Top Gun like theme.
Eddie-Griffin
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Knights of the Sky Atari ST 1991, developed by Microprose, known for their technical skills with computer hardware and arcades.
Lots of open early 3D games, this one had good draw distance too and multiple camera modes, including below and above.
Lots of open early 3D games, this one had good draw distance too and multiple camera modes, including below and above.
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yurinka
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Great video, thanks for sharing. I heard the name before, but didn't know the story. It's stunning and very impressive.
Dark Wood (Acorn Arc32 1995)
Notice that this game was released years before Super Mario 64.
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Eddie-Griffin
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It's a cross between a 3D platformer and an adventure game with NPCS and animals moving around with their own routines with polygons mixed with sprites for look that visually ages well imo. Pretty impressive for that old hardware. One of the last complex games for it before games focused on the Risc PC.
There's weather too.
Been meaning to do a full playthrough and uploading it on Youtube.
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Hastelander
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Had a remake in 2004 for PS2 and XB0.
Flying under Golden Gate was like a thing everyone must have done first in this game
Fun fact this was developed entirely using Rom routines, so it was infamous as an example of 'badly optimized 3d' on Amiga, but still, an iconic game from that era.
Funniest memory from the game I have though, is the mission where you are under attack by an enemy submarine/carrier ship (Yea take that Helicarrier
). It's actually possible to land on the enemy sub (as it has a fully fledged carrier landing strip), and not only that works (systemic programming in the 90ies, yay), you also get 'refuelled and rearmed' after the plane stops - apparently enemy crew is quite the friendly bunch.I did get shot-up almost immediately after by enemy fighters - the AI in the game was not one to miss a static target - but still.
Eddie-Griffin
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Die Hard, game based off the movie license released in 1989 for DOS, the first third person action adventure game, and TPS game, with a human character. A cool 3D action game ahead of its time.
Tons of weapons and gadgets, 360 movement, TPS mechanics, beat en up elements, polygonal graphics and sprites in a hybrid formula. Ambitious graphics for the time (on IMB compatibles) and fast gameplay.
Tons of weapons and gadgets, 360 movement, TPS mechanics, beat en up elements, polygonal graphics and sprites in a hybrid formula. Ambitious graphics for the time (on IMB compatibles) and fast gameplay.
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Eddie-Griffin
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Another old 80s home computer 3D game is I of mask for the ZX Spectrum in 1985. Very ambitious game pushing polygons on this incredibly cheap machine. The game is third person where you can move in all direction in the space, and the camera dynamically changes based on the position of the character and what's around them as they move including up to walls. The halls are polygonal as well as the 3D crystals or any other objects that are shown in those free flight areas you attack. Colors change in real-time during gameplay based on what color corridor you enter, which are in shown on the mapping system at the bottom of the screen. Very forward thinking title.
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SirTerry-T
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Toby Guard is on record as calling that game one of THE major influences for the original Tomb Raider.Another old 80s home computer 3D game is I of mask for the ZX Spectrum in 1985. Very ambitious game pushing polygons on this incredibly cheap machine. The game is third person where you can move in all direction in the space, and the camera dynamically changes based on the position of the character and what's around them as they move including up to walls. The halls are polygonal as well as the 3D crystals or any other objects that are shown in those free flight areas you attack. Colors change in real-time during gameplay based on what color corridor you enter, which are in shown on the mapping system at the bottom of the screen. Very forward thinking title.
Eddie-Griffin
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Kind of, it had some influence
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"No way," PlayStation programmer Paul Douglas exclaims.
"Yeah. It was called, Mask of something. (I Of The Mask was developed in 1985 by Sandy White and Angela Sutherland) Amazing idea, haven't seen it for ages though."
Camera doesn't work the same but the movement idea is similar.
It was a pretty impressive game, and it came out 11 years before Tomb Raider. Some people got some good use of the ZX processor, many people write the computer off as cheap junk not as capable as other computers because of it's video and graphics. But it's insides are quite strong. Better for polygons ironically than the C64. I don't think C64 could handle this game at that speed and stability, there was a port being made and it was canned because of issues.
Of course for many other types of games the ZX is pretty weak.
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SirTerry-T
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Oh yeah the speccy was loads better than the c64 when it came to 3d stuff.
Eddie-Griffin
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Same with A8, seems to have been an issue with Commodores in general, even the Amiga was mainly a powerful locked hardware 2D sprite machine for the time.
I can't see any c64 game, even without polygons replaced with pseudo 3D, having that kind of control running at that speed. Maybe something like Space Harrier could do a reasonable compromised port but not something like this where you can control where you're going.
Hastelander
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Well there's a lot of 3D on the ZX Spectrum line, and even the Z81:
"Perspective 3D Graphics" at Spectrum Computing
But from what I've gathered, many of the speccy ones, like Total Eclipse and its sequel are available on other computers, including the C64.
I'd like someone to explain why and how ZXS is better at 3D than the C64 (or CPC); I do know it is, as it has some sort of a doom clone, but not the details.
"Perspective 3D Graphics" at Spectrum Computing
But from what I've gathered, many of the speccy ones, like Total Eclipse and its sequel are available on other computers, including the C64.
I'd like someone to explain why and how ZXS is better at 3D than the C64 (or CPC); I do know it is, as it has some sort of a doom clone, but not the details.
Futaleufu
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The Commodore 64 CPU is a variant of the 6502 running at 1 Mhz. The ZX Spectrum has a Z80 that runs at 3.5 Mhz. The C64 can do some stuff with less cycles than the ZX but the latter one is overall much faster.
Eddie-Griffin
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The thing about I of mask is that it's actually using solid polygons in a 3D space with a dynamically tracking camera.
While there are some in your link, several games on the list aren't using polygons at all, and let alone such a camera that take into account all directional movement.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
F19 Stealh Fighter 1988-89 depending on computer,
(Also looks like I got to replace some gifs in the OP.)(Actually looks like there's several gifs that 404ed on me in this thread I need to replace.)
(Also looks like I got to replace some gifs in the OP.)(Actually looks like there's several gifs that 404ed on me in this thread I need to replace.)
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