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[Ray Wonder]

the comparison is due to dogs and very young children sharing a similar mentality with depending on their parents to take care of them and prevent them from getting in trouble

If you don't take care of your kid, and it comes wobbling at me. It's not going to bite me.

There is nothing in the OP that backs up your statement.

It's in the video on the site I believe. Yeah, she said that she had to scream to get him to stop.

 

[Scully Scully Scoo]

Except they are similar. A parent has responsibility to watch their children and control their actions. Same with dog owners.

If a child breaks something important to you or harms someone, you get mad at the parent, not the child.

no they are not. kids are not required to wear leashes, not as quick/agile and wont go around biting people. a dog running towards u is not the same situation as a child running towards you

 

[Colonel Mustard]

If you don't take care of your kid, and it comes wobbling at me. It's not going to bite me.

I take it you haven't been around many children?

 

[Maintenance]

If you don't take care of your kid, and it comes wobbling at me. It's not going to bite me.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[Ray Wonder]

I take it you haven't been around many children?

Strangers' kids, and holding/playing with a kid you know are different ballparks. I wouldn't mind being bitten by a friends kid, or my kid(EDIT:hypothetical), or my 2 nieces and 2 nephews.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Lol!

 

[antonz]

The Op is trying to garner sympathy with a prop photo. The real suspect is this vicious monster. Notice the hoodie. Only a thug pug wears a hoodie and thug pugs deserve to die!

Spoiler

sarcasm

 

[Wazzy]

no they are not. kids are not required to wear leashes, not as quick/agile and wont go around biting people. a dog running towards u is not the same situation as a child running towards you

But a child CAN cause problems that others see as harming them.

What if a kid goes and breaks something? Public places for example. I've seen kids run around throwing products all over the floor while their parents laughed and watched.

 

[3phemeral]

But a child CAN cause problems that others see as harming them.

What if a kid goes and breaks something? Public places for example. I've seen kids run around throwing products all over the floor while their parents laughed and watched.

I think fear of bodily harm and potential for property damage are two very different things.

 

[Ray Wonder]

But a child CAN cause problems that others see as harming them.

What if a kid goes and breaks something? Public places for example. I've seen kids run around throwing products all over the floor while their parents laughed and watched.

Call the cops. We're not discussing kids. We're discussing dogs.

Dogs =/= Kids, I don't care what anyone says. It sounds crazy to me.

 

[Wazzy]

I think fear of bodily harm and potential for property damage are two very different things.

The whole point is that people shouldn't be taking something out on the child/dog but on the irresponsible parent/owner.

 

[Shiggy]

You're missing the entire point. Children and dogs are dependant on the people raising them. If either acts out of line, you take it out on the owner/parent.

I mean Christ, is it really that hard to imagine a situation where a child causing issues has made someone snap at the child?


This is one of the dumbest examples I've ever seen.

You have the capability of killing me, a tiny animal doesn't.

Yeah, but the dog has the ability to hurt me and I'd prefer not to be bitten by a dog. But you seem to be fine with that. Guess you just love dogs too much to realise that ordinary people try to prevent being harmed.

So you'll just run over the dog because fuck it, you might fall off? You're a fucking asshole.

Thanks. I don't think it's appropriate to insult people on this board and hope the mods will take action. First of all, I never said I'd kick a dog because I could fall off. I'd kick it, if it's going to bite me. Second, why do you call me a "fucking asshole"? Are those the manners you show towards people? You don't like people, only dogs? Then I understand your attitude.

Hope to never meet you in real life, you must be a very difficult person.

 

[anaron]

There is nothing in the OP that backs up your statement.

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/natio...pound-pug-single-kick-owner-article-1.2163362

The unidentified jogger eventually stopped after Lisi screamed and ran with the pup in desperation. Responding police officers investigated, but may not have enough evidence to press animal cruelty charges, Lisi said.

“He said he tapped her,” she said. “I told the cops, ‘Here’s the evidence of his tap!’ and held up Mei Fun.”

The dog was already stiff and dead despite Lisi’s attempts at chest compressions. A necropsy would have been too expensive, she said.

“The jogger was 6-feet tall at least, so what is that, a size 13 shoe to a head the size of a naval orange?” said Lisi.

 

[Syriel]

There is nothing in the OP that backs up your statement.

anaron was referring to the NY Daily News piece that was posted.

Still, all it does is back up the hiker's assertion that he thought it was just a light hit to get the dog away.

You wouldn't expect a light hit to kill an animal. There would be no reason to stop, especially if you wanted to get away.

Once he realized what happened, he went to find a phone to call the cops.

 

[TSM]

He said she said. The jogger was either terrified or a real jerk, but the whole thing would have been avoided if the owner kept their dog on a leash.

the comparison is due to dogs and very young children sharing a similar mentality with depending on their parents to take care of them and prevent them from getting in trouble

Ugh, the only thing worse then car analogies are analogies comparing animals to children.

 

[Wazzy]

Yeah, but the dog has the ability to hurt me and I'd prefer not to be bitten by a dog. But you seem to be fine with that. Guess you just love dogs too much to realise that ordinary people try to prevent being harmed.

No I'm just not ridiculous enough to take it out on the tiny dog whose owner isn't controlling it.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

To those still on the "blame her the dogs should have been leashed" train, you know that long leashes exist in the world too? We used to have a retractable that was long as. This dog could have also "charged him" even on a leash. Are his actions suddenly less justified in your eyes because a long piece of leather/nylon/what have you suddenly exists?

Whatever. Dude reacted fucking horribly. Lucky the owner wasn't a fucking MMA fighter.

 

[Shiggy]

No I'm just not ridiculous enough to take it out on the tiny dog whose owner isn't controlling it.

The owner isn't going to bite me in that situation. So what would you do? Just let it happen? Let the dog bite you? You can't be serious...

 

[anaron]

Lisi admits the dog was off-leash at the Kensington Hilltop Elementary School, which is against the rules. She was taking a cut-through after a walk with Mei Fun and her 9-year-old pug, Mushu, when tragedy struck. Lisi was distracted by leashing Mushu and Mei Fun was 50 feet away but returning to her owner when the jogger, described as gray-haired and thin, turned a corner and lashed out with a vicious left leg kick.

He told police he’d previously been bitten by a small dog and that it was “coming at me,” Lisi said.

“I said, ‘She’s a pug!’ There’s no way she could get her little maw around a pant leg,” Lisi said. “You can’t go around killing anything that comes in your path because you’ve had a bad experience with it. He’s a grown man.”

seriously, what a fucking child he is.

 

[Scully Scully Scoo]

i seriously find it disgusting how some people can compare a human child to a dog

But a child CAN cause problems that others see as harming them.

What if a kid goes and breaks something? Public places for example. I've seen kids run around throwing products all over the floor while their parents laughed and watched.

lmao yes totally the same thing as unleashed dog running towards you

 

[Wazzy]

i seriously find it disgusting how some people can compare a human child to a dog


lmao yes totally the same thing as unleashed dog running towards you

I'm sure children all over the world are weeping right now because of it.

If you can't make the connection that children and dogs are both parent responsibilities then this conversation is going nowhere. You can gasp at the idea that both require similar raising but it's the truth.

The owner isn't going to bite me in that situation. So what would you do? Just let it happen? Let the dog bite you? You can't be serious...

Oh I don't know, yell at the owner to grab their dog? What does that take, two seconds?

Plus you can grab the dog by it's collar to stop it or pick it up by the scruff if you're wanting to stop it's behaviour.

 

[Syriel]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/natio...pound-pug-single-kick-owner-article-1.2163362

"The dog was already stiff and dead despite Lisi’s attempts at chest compressions. A necropsy would have been too expensive, she said."

Of course that's also a gross exaggeration. Rigor doesn't set in that quickly. And if someone just murdered your pet in cold blood (as the woman in claiming) you're not going to worry about the cost of an autopsy if it is the only thing that can prove your claims.

This happened in one of the super-expensive neighborhoods in the East Bay. Up in the hills. There is no lack of money among the residents.

 

[Ray Wonder]

You're missing the entire point. Children and dogs are dependant on the people raising them. If either acts out of line, you take it out on the owner/parent.

If one attacks you, you can defend yourself. If the other attacks you, it's some kind of mechababy. The similarities start and end with a parent/owner taking care of them.

Anyway, It's common sense. You don't hit a kid.

I mean Christ, is it really that hard to imagine a situation where a child causing issues has made someone snap at the child?

Yeah, a fucking nut would do that.

Oh I don't know, yell at the owner to grab their dog? What does that take, two seconds?

Plus you can grab the dog by it's collar to stop it or pick it up by the scruff if you're wanting to stop it's behaviour.

Or if you've been recently bitten by a tiny dog, and are afraid of them. You defend yourself. Two seconds is a bite.

 

[Prinz Eugn]

To those still on the "blame her the dogs should have been leashed" train, you know that long leashes exist in the world too? We used to have a retractable that was long as. This dog could have also "charged him" even on a leash. Are his actions suddenly less justified in your eyes because a long piece of leather/nylon/what have you suddenly exists?

Whatever. Dude reacted fucking horribly. Lucky the owner wasn't a fucking MMA fighter.

Then it's still the owner's fault for inadequate control over their dog.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

The owner isn't going to bite me in that situation. So what would you do? Just let it happen? Let the dog bite you? You can't be serious...

The assumption that a dog is going to bite you because, well, what else is it going to do? Is just moronic.

 

[crazy monkey]

if dogs came to me barking and running i will kick it no problem and why are people comparing dog to human child. i have been chased and nearly bitten many times by stupid dogs not kids. Dumb owner keeping there untrained dogs out in open is always issue specially if dogs keeps barking at people and approach them.

Keep them on leash or take them to area where they are allowed unleashed.

 

[anaron]

Then it's still the owner's fault for inadequate control over their dog.

lmao

OK

 

[CosmicQueso]

why are people comparing dog to human child

Because a dog is far better a thing than a human child.

 

[Maengun1]

I don't know why people who don't like animals always feel the need to force the "humans vs. animals" arguments.

I love my family and my pets equally. I don't need to play into dumb hypothetical questions about which I would save from a fire if I could only save one or other dumb things like that.

If someone kills my pet, they've killed a member of my family. Period.

 

[Nafai1123]

Of course that's also a gross exaggeration. Rigor doesn't set in that quickly. And if someone just murdered your pet in cold blood (as the woman in claiming) you're not going to worry about the cost of an autopsy if it is the only thing that can prove your claims.

This happened in one of the super-expensive neighborhoods in the East Bay. Up in the hills. There is no lack of money among the residents.

Anyone can walk those trails.

 

[Prinz Eugn]

lmao

OK

If you have a leash but still let your dog appear to be a reasonable danger to someone else, how is that not your fault?

This is talking about letting your dog get close to someone, not someone deliberately coming up to you.

 

[Wazzy]

If one attacks you, you can defend yourself. If the other attacks you, it's some kind of mechababy. The similarities start and end with a parent/owner taking care of them.

Anyway, It's common sense. You don't hit a kid.

I agree you don't hit a kid but there's many people who think it's acceptable to hit kids(12 and up is still a kid) that act out of line.

Or if you've been recently bitten by a tiny dog, and are afraid of them. You defend yourself. Two seconds is a bite.

It's a tiny dog. You have no right to just assume it will bite. It didn't and therefore this line of argument is ridiculous.

 

[King Gilga]

Honestly the world would be a better place if pugs didn't exist, both for their sake and for ours. Ugly shits that can barely breathe and struggle through life with so many genetic/health issues, I pity them. You'd have to be a real sick fuck to breed them or want one as a pet.

I would still think a person is an asshole if spiders were commonly held pets and people went around squishing them knowing that it's possible that that spider belonged to someone.

So you'd only think that way because they're someone elses property, but no because of empathy for another living being?

You're fucked up man.

 

[Shiggy]

Oh I don't know, yell at the owner to grab their dog? What does that take, two seconds?

Plus you can grab the dog by it's collar to stop it or pick it up by the scruff if you're wanting to stop it's behaviour.

True, since in that situation you aren't shocked and can think perfectly fine. First of all, if the owner was able to grab the dog, don't you think she would have done so? Second, do you really think it's easy to grab a dog that's running at you, jumping and barking? I doubt it's that easy and I wouldn't even dare trying that as I'd think the dog would try biting my hand or whatever while trying to grab.

Wonder how you want to perform that. A dog runs at you while you are running yourself. While that happens, you grab the dog at the collar. Ok, sounds like what an average Joe can do.

The assumption that a dog is going to bite you because, well, what else is it going to do? Is just moronic.

Not really, it's called instincts. When something runs and jumps at you and barks, I'd rather take preemptive steps. Not with the intention to kill the dog. With the intention to not have it do harm or touch me.

 

[hunnies28]

She should've John Wick his ass.

 

[CrocMother]

the poor jogger, killing harmless animals must take a toll on his daily jogs

How would you feel if you accidentally killed a dog? That would fuck me up for a while.

 

[anaron]

If you have a leash but still let your dog appear to be a reasonable danger to someone else, how is that not your fault?

This is talking about letting your dog get close to someone, not someone deliberately coming up to you.

oh wow

do you run in the other direction at the mere sight of a leashed dog?

 

[Ray Wonder]

It's a tiny dog. You have no right to just assume it will bite. It didn't and therefore this line of argument is ridiculous.

Proper protocol is to assume it's aggressive. You have every right to do so.

Assume It’s Aggressive. The first rule is to NEVER assume the dog is friendly. Don’t try to read its signals and definitely do not think it’s friendly because its wagging is tail (see this article for why).
Read more at http://theilovedogssite.com/what-to-do-when-an-off-leash-dog-charges-your-dog/#8jzrWYHH8ILMmslg.99

 

[anaron]

How would you feel if you accidentally killed a dog? That would fuck me up for a while.

dude didn't care enough to not kick her hard enough to kill and subsequently tried to say actually say it was a tap

but clearly it was a little accident

 

[Maengun1]

I absolutely believe that all pets should be leashed in public places, btw. For the safety of people as well as the animals themselves (as in this sad situation). The dog owner is *partially* at fault. But anyone who sees a tiny little pug approaching them and immediately sees no other option than to punt the animal is a violent asshole. And I don't think it's more understandable than kicking a kid who's "coming at you." Get a grip.

 

[alejob]

leash your fucking dog
also don't kick a fucking dog

both parties involved are assholes

I agree with this.


I have dogs shitting in my yard all the time. People like to take their dogs for a walk in a trail behind my house I get their crap. I also see many of them without a leash.

I like dogs but I'm tired of it. Freaking dog owners are a pest.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

"it's a pug" isn't a good enough excuse to just have your dogs running around doing whatever they feel like.

At no point in this thread have I ever made the argument you just attributed to me. In fact the rest of the message you quoted explains why I think that possible argument would be dumb as fuck, considering how generally harmless and/or helpless the animals are. It's the very next sentence, in fact.

"Why was the dog unleashed"
"probably because it's a pug. Which is dumb, because pugs should be leashed too, considering how goofy/stupid they are."

Why you'd respond that way when you're actively quoting the rest of the post that agrees with the idea that the pug should have been on a leash, I don't know.

 

[Ray Wonder]

dude didn't care enough to not kick her hard enough to kill and subsequently tried to say actually say it was a tap

but clearly it was a little accident

I don't understand this reasoning. You don't know the specific PSI delivered to a specific spot on the dogs head. It could have been a jogging speed kick to the wrong spot.

 

[Wazzy]

True, since in that situation you aren't shocked and can think perfectly fine. First of all, if the owner was able to grab the dog, don't you think she would have done so? Second, do you really think it's easy to grab a dog that's running at you, jumping and barking? I doubt it's that easy and I wouldn't even dare trying that as I'd think the dog would try biting my hand or whatever while trying to grab.

Wonder how you want to perform that. A dog runs at you while you are running yourself. While that happens, you grab the dog at the collar. Ok, sounds like what an average Joe can do.

*sigh* if a dog is off leash because the owner allowed it, that doesn't mean the owner can't grab the dog.

Grabbing a tiny dog trying to bite is not that hard but if it's a matter of not wanting to get bit, you still get the owner involved. Why do you think it's okay to kick a tiny dog and not take it out in the owner?

Plus we're completely ignoring the fact there's no evidence the dog was going to bite so now it's just a tiny dog was running at you.

 

[andymcc]

Honestly the world would be a better place if pugs didn't exist, both for their sake and for ours. Ugly shits that can barely breathe and struggle through life with so many genetic/health issues, I pity them. You'd have to be a real sick fuck to breed them or want one as a pet.



So you'd only think that way because they're someone elses property, but no because of empathy for another living being?

You're fucked up man.

I think you you need to reflect upon yourself before you have the audacity to call someone fucked up.

 

[Nafai1123]

True, since in that situation you aren't shocked and can think perfectly fine. First of all, if the owner was able to grab the dog, don't you think she would have done so? Second, do you really think it's easy to grab a dog that's running at you, jumping and barking? I doubt it's that easy and I wouldn't even dare trying that as I'd think the dog would try biting my hand or whatever while trying to grab.

Wonder how you want to perform that. A dog runs at you while you are running yourself. While that happens, you grab the dog at the collar. Ok, sounds like what an average Joe can do.

Is there any evidence that the dog was "jumping and barking" or is that just your justification for why the runner kicked the dog?

 

[TSM]

I don't know why people who don't like animals always feel the need to force the "humans vs. animals" arguments.

Because it's asinine to compare animals with children. Also you should take into consideration that it devalues whatever point you were trying to make. It's OK to love and defend animals without invoking the batshit concept that animals are on the same footing as children as part of the conversation. It's like the Godwin's Law of animal rights discussion.

Also, that's nice how you characterize people calling out this ridiculous strawman as "don't like animals". You can love animals and detest this argument.

 

[Scully Scully Scoo]

I'm sure children all over the world are weeping right now because of it.

If you can't make the connection that children and dogs are both parent responsibilities then this conversation is going nowhere. You can gasp at the idea that both require similar raising but it's the truth.


Oh I don't know, yell at the owner to grab their dog? What does that take, two seconds?

Plus you can grab the dog by it's collar to stop it or pick it up by the scruff if you're wanting to stop it's behaviour.

CHILDREN ARE NOT DOGS
dont know why you cant comprehend this
a kid isnt going to jump out of nowhere and start jumping in my face or try to bite me. and talking about responsibility its the owners responsibility to follow the law and keep their dogs on the leash.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Then it's still the owner's fault for inadequate control over their dog.

Yeah. Ok.

Proper protocol is to assume it's aggressive. You have every right to do so.

Its a Pug. Calm down. Christ, I had a rabbit that could have done more damage than that dog. No joke.

 

[Ray Wonder]

Yeah. Ok.



Its a Pug. Calm down. Christ, I had a rabbit that could have done more damage than that dog. No joke.

He was bitten by a tiny dog in the past. I don't know how many times I have to mention that. The breed doesn't matter. He's got a right to defend himself from a loose dog no matter what the dog looks like.

 

[BennyBlanco]

At no point in this thread have I ever made the argument you just attributed to me.

"Why wasn't the dog on a leash?"

"Maybe because it's a pug."

Actual sentence you typed, verbatim.