Mattdaddy
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I'm sure his fight or flight was in overdrive as the ravenous Pug dog bore down on him.
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East Bay jogger kills 15-pound pug with a kick
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I'm sure his fight or flight was in overdrive as the ravenous Pug dog bore down on him.
So, I'm asking again: He was bitten before by a small dog (which means he obviously assumed it was not dangerous), which means that experienced changed his mind - should he let another dog bite him again?
It's not like you respond properly or with reasonable ideas to anyone in this thread. At least you don't call me "fucking asshole" like that other guy, I give you that as a positive.
You simply don't seem to realise that most people don't want to get hurt and try to avoid it. Be it a small man with a knife or a dog.
That's like saying, "If you get scared at horror movies, you've got issues." or "If you get scared at spiders, you've got issues."
Please. And we don't no how much time the jogger had to react when he saw the dog. For all we know he saw something running at his feet in his peripheral vision and kicked by instinct.
If I sneak up behind you and throw a toy spider on top of you, you aren't going to swat it away? Then afterwards I could say, "You're fight or flight instinct was in overdrive over a ravenous toy spider?"
That's not how fight or flight works. It doesn't give you time to think what breed or what is this.
Well considering he's a jogger, I would assume he can run faster than the 3-5mph top speed of a Pug. And yes, I have been chased by a dog before and felt threatened. I ran away.
He said he saw the dog charging at him.
When it's a tiny dog? Yes, wait to see what it does. If it bites you, report the owner. You're not going to die because of this tiny dog.
it also clearly says "not all dogs are dangerous" and that a case would be evaluated based on the individual incident on whether or not the grounds are suitable
Of course he did. He wouldn't have reacted if he didn't.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Interesting, so if you're walking in the street, looking forward and stop, look to your left and suddenly notice a person who is walking faster than you is walking past and you're startled. You'd "instinctively" punch or kick that person? Because you know, instincts.
except she says her dog was returning to her when he booted it
ebullientprism
Member
Holy shit dog people are insane.
You are actually advocating to let the dog bite you if needed. "Wait to see what happens" my ass.
Leash your dog. Problem fucking solved.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I know that. Look - this is the contents of post 581.
So, as we can see, the point you're trying to make in response to my post is already made - in my post. That you just quoted in its entirety. I bolded it for you, specifically to show you. Here it is again.
although honestly, considering how fucking dumb they are in general, how do you not leash your pug if you're out walking it? It's GOING to do something stupid as shit. It's a pug. At least keep it tethered to you to stop it from hurting itself.
Again, curious as to why you even felt the need to respond when I made the same point you just made, before you made it, in the post you just quoted, as a means to try and argue with me about a point we agree on, and then follow that up by pointing out to a completely separate poster that they must not have bothered reading the comment chain.
I'm just going to have to say I completely disagree with your stance that I should let myself be bitten.
That's different because you can see out of the side of your eye that it's clearly a person walking. If it's something small, you obviously know that it's some kind of dog, phobias take into effect and you react within a second.
That doesn't matter. The runner might have noticed when it came up close and reacted.
Maybe he didn't see it out of peripheral vision, but the same thing applies if they see it. Especially if they have a phobia.
Mattdaddy
Gold Member
But it sounds like he saw the dog running up.
The guy is just a prick. He kicked the dog cause he was mad it was off the leash and bothering him, he just didn't expect it to die lol.
Yeah I believe that as much as I believe she was just about to put the leash on the dogs.
It's amazing how many people in this thread are going by her side of the story when you got claims like this where she's clearly trying to cover her ass.
uh no, she said maybe wait to see if the dog you're dealing with is even aggressive to begin with and if it is, try to restrain it rather than murder.
Ragnorok64
Member
No.
I am under no obligation to offer up my ankles as a litmus test before I decide to take steps to defend myself.
The dog is an animal. It has sharp teeth. No matter the size of the dog, people can feel threatened or surprised and defend themselves accordingly.
The owner did not have the dog on leash. Which is against the law. Animals have to be restrained by their owners in public spaces.
It's awful that it happened, but it's not like this guy ran out of his way and punt kicked an on-leash dog.
Again, it sucks that it happened. But it's more the owner's fault that this happened than the guy who kicked the dog.
End of story.
The owner did not have the dog on leash. Which is against the law. Animals have to be restrained by their owners in public spaces.
It's awful that it happened, but it's not like this guy ran out of his way and punt kicked an on-leash dog.
Again, it sucks that it happened. But it's more the owner's fault that this happened than the guy who kicked the dog.
End of story.
No idea. When the dog can run about as fast as a brisk walk, I'd say it's a good idea.
Instead of rushing to be violent over a TINY dog charging at you, I'm advocating trying to either avoid the dog or if it shows signs of aggression, getting the owner to take care of it and then getting mad at the owner.
It's not a life or death situation. If it's a big dog? then we have a different story here where I'll completely understand someone reacting defensively.
As opposed to the guy who killed the dog? No reason for him to lie amirite!
Like stealing candy from a dead pug.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
How about this scenario
Lady taking doofy pugs out for morning walk on a trail, cuts through elementary school. One doofy pug starts running across the yard. She is completely in the wrong for not having her doofy pugs leashed.
Doofy pug runs at jogger, who has just come around a corner and is looking to cut through the same elementary school. Is startled by doofy animal running in its direction. Is mad because animals are not supposed to be unleashed, has been bitten by a little animal before, and kicks at the dog in an attempt to both shoo and vent frustration at being startled by something as stupid as a pug.
Kicks pug in head. Pug falls over dead. Woman who knows she shouldn't have had pug off the leash begins reacting, then overreacting, then spinning. Man who knows he shouldn't have kicked pug in the head calls police, and waits to explain it was off of a leash and scared him and also, he'd been bitten by a small dog before so there was precedent (or something like that)
Again, in this scenario - the question that seems to be hanging EVERYBODY up isn't that the woman had the pugs off the leash, because everyone agrees it's not only illegal, it's unsafe, and in this SPECIFIC case, it's unsafe FOR THE PUGS. The question that has everyone going rounds and throwing 'bows is "Is it justified and fair to kick a pug in the head to get it away from you while you're jogging."
That's the question.
That's for a post-bite scenario. Pre-bite, you're well within your rights to assume that an approaching dog isn't friendly. I mean, it's been posted multiple times in this very thread from a pro-dog site.
Anyone seriously advocating that you let yourself be bitten first and then react simply can't be taken seriously. Dogs are a responsibility, and this owner failed hers.
I wouldn't give either of them more credence than the other. You listen to both sides and surmise what makes the most sense.
Chairmanchuck
Member
Do people ever think that there are people who are scared of all kinds of dogs? Before my gf got a dog, she had a "small animal" phobia and was scared of dogs, cats and all small animals.
This lady's dog is dead because she failed to take responsibility. End of story.
You feel the spider and quickly move to brush it off. You don't stop to think, "Is this spider going to harm me?" You are caught off guard and you take action.
How are you supposed to know if something is "aggressively engaging"? If you feel a spider crawling on your arm, you don't swat it away because it's not "aggressively engaging"?
You feel the spider and quickly move to brush it off. You don't stop to think, "Is this spider going to harm me?" You are caught off guard and you take action.
xDUMPWEEDx
Banned
If you break the law by unleashing your pet and it charges me I'm defending myself.
Bring it on, brah.
and he failed in his responsibility as a human being to not kick an animal that wasn't even aggressively engaging him so hard it died
# short term cash loans
Junior Member
put your dog on a fucking leash like your supposed to and none of this happens. Now maybe she'll remember next time.
I thought there were no witness tho? you should call the cops and give your eyewitness statement
Bobby Roberts
Banned
That doesn't appear to be this guy, though.
Also, guy doesn't seem to have described the pug as having "charged" him, either.
This is crap. There's a difference between exercising caution and kicking the shit out of a dog because you assume it's going to attack you.
You don't need another eye witness to know he kicked the dog so hard it died. He obviously didn't "tap" it. Its a Pug not a football
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Mattdaddy
Gold Member
And I think that's pretty much how it went down, I agree. I don't think the owner should be off the hook and I think the jogger probably oversold his side to cover looking like an asshole. I just think it's reasonable to use judgement based on breed and size, I'm kinda surprised so many people don't. If I see a strange Rottweiler or Pit bull or something running up to me then hell yeah its time do play some defense. If I see a Pug or Yorkie or something charging me I'm giggling.
I mean that dude had to deliver some real force to one shot that thing, I'm not really sold on the "I barely hit it." defense
Chairmanchuck
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Yeah. I am just saying, that its not just black and white. Like I said. My gf was totally scared of small animals to the point she breaks out in sweat and I guess would do anything to defend herself.
I am like this with spiders. I break out in Sweat, my heart beats faster and I try to kill it. There is no reason for it besides phobia.
I'm more inclined to think it went down as Bobby Roberts described, as opposed to believing either party wholesale.
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yeah what if this dog had knives duct taped to its body
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Actually, her dog is dead because a guy overreacted to a "charging Pug". A dog can still "charge" on a leash too. Or at least appear to be. Doesn't change the overreaction.
You might be right but in that scenario, the jogger is an asshole who killed a dog unjustifiably.
It's still your problem and now you have to accept that the dog may come into harm because of your negligence.
It's negligence just allowing the dog to be off leash, as well as unlawful. She's clearly partially to blame here.
Why is it so hard to grasp phobias or a fight or flight reaction? If someone is caught off guard like that, they react. It's not his fault.
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