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Elon’s Twitter Carnival of Stupidity (No Politics)

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I disagree. I think there should be a different standard for celebrities, because they largely make the platform what it is. Sure, they can all afford it, but if some of them leave out of principle and just post on Instagram or tik tok or whatever, that's not good for the platform. They should find a better way to remove legacy verified accounts of people who aren't actually celebrities.
 
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DKehoe

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I disagree. I think there should be a different standard for celebrities, because they largely make the platform what it is. Sure, they can all afford it, but if some of them leave out of principle and just post on Instagram or tik tok or whatever, that's not good for the platform. They should find a better way to remove legacy verified accounts of people who aren't actually celebrities.

It's weird because Elon Musk was probably the most impersonated person on Twitter, and I don't just mean people changing their account names to him after he took over. I've seen loads of bots claiming to be him and posting replies to all kinds of tweets saying that he's doing a bitcoin giveaway or something like that. It's in the public interest that some people are verified and it shouldn't rely on that person paying for it.
 

Mr Reasonable

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I disagree. I think there should be a different standard for celebrities, because they largely make the platform what it is. Sure, they can all afford it, but if some of them leave out of principle and just post on Instagram or tik tok or whatever, that's not good for the platform. They should find a better way to remove legacy verified accounts of people who aren't actually celebrities.


Personally, I think wherever people are is where brands and celebrities will go. They go where the audience is, simple as that.

However, twitter's strategy will likely fail with time. Expecting users (traditionally the product being sold) to fund the platform isn't likely going to work as people get older and a new audience comes up. The new audience won't sign up and start paying. They'll use TikTok and Instagram or whatever until the next platform arrives.

Twitter are kinda screwed if asking the public to fund the platform is their best plan, imo.
 
It's weird because Elon Musk was probably the most impersonated person on Twitter, and I don't just mean people changing their account names to him after he took over. I've seen loads of bots claiming to be him and posting replies to all kinds of tweets saying that he's doing a bitcoin giveaway or something like that. It's in the public interest that some people are verified and it shouldn't rely on that person paying for it.
Agreed. I've suggested it before, but I think they should just verify all the acting agencies, publishers, record labels, etc as organizations, and then just verify everyone though those organizations. That way you can keep things to "real" celebrities, as opposed to people who were favored by those who used to be in charge of handing out blue checkmarks.
 

SJRB

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Sheesh..
 
Musk has been stuck in this standoff from day one. Trying to get the people that drive traffic to Twitter to pay. And them calling his bluff on it.
 

StreetsofBeige

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In my opinion putting a price to social media will get rid of a lot of low brow nitwits. Even just $100/year will put a clamp down on idiots.

I totally get any of you who think social media should be free for the masse. And that’s ok.

But in my view, if you add a price to something or Jack something up to a higher price it gets rid of many idiots that muddy the waters.

Look how many slobby morons shop and create issues at Walmart and Mcdoanlds vs a higher end store and restaurant.

All the weird drunks and druggies aren’t hanging out at pricier places.

Even just a small fee to social media will make trollers disappear leaving more people who want to use it more maturely. It will also help thin about people doing multiple accounts messing around.
 
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NickFire

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Is the only loss to regular people the ability to vote in polls?

Doesn't seem like a big deal to me if accurate. Also don't care if everyone predicting its demise comes true.
 

Maiden Voyage

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So Bragr Bragr as this websites Elon fan, what's the meaning behind this latest chess move that most of us are not getting?
I mean the guy wants to make Twitter profitable without relying so heavily on advertising income. This is an attempt to do that. I don't disagree with promoting paying users over non-paying. But I also don't think it's going to be enough to convince free users to pay. I don't care about Twitter polls. Musk doesn't need that to achieve any arching objective. He's just throwing ideas at the wall to see what sticks. I suspect more features will get paywalled for this reason.

Personally, I would love to see most websites be able to run without constant bombardment of advertising but I don't really know how to make that work. I applaud Musk for being the one crazy enough to try. Even if it costs society one social media platform.
 

YCoCg

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I mean the guy wants to make Twitter profitable without relying so heavily on advertising income. This is an attempt to do that. I don't disagree with promoting paying users over non-paying. But I also don't think it's going to be enough to convince free users to pay. I don't care about Twitter polls. Musk doesn't need that to achieve any arching objective. He's just throwing ideas at the wall to see what sticks. I suspect more features will get paywalled for this reason.

Personally, I would love to see most websites be able to run without constant bombardment of advertising but I don't really know how to make that work. I applaud Musk for being the one crazy enough to try. Even if it costs society one social media platform.
Ever since Musk took over I've seen a massive increase in "Promoted Posts" and advertisements, Promoted Posts never used to appear in replies, now you're lucky if you DON'T see an ad somewhere in the replies of larger posts, this isn't about moving away from Ad revenue, it's about squeezing as much out of the platform as possible, now features are being paywalled AND the ads will continue, what happened to the "Free Speech" Elon spoke about?
 
"citing a priority for fairness over inclusion despite limited scientific evidence of physical advantage"

Who watches the watchers? Twitter, apparently. This NPR post would never have been corrected (quietly deleted, apparently without comment) if there wasn't a high-profile way of challenging their claims.


 
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"citing a priority for fairness over inclusion despite limited scientific evidence of physical advantage"

Who watches the watchers? Twitter, apparently. This NPR post would never have been corrected (quietly deleted, apparently without comment) if there wasn't a high-profile way of challenging their claims.




they just didn't quote their own article properly

"there is limited scientific research involving elite transgender athletes"

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/24/1165...s-cant-compete-in-womens-international-events

NPR make corrections all the time: https://www.npr.org/corrections/
 
they just didn't quote their own article properly

"there is limited scientific research involving elite transgender athletes"

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/24/1165...s-cant-compete-in-womens-international-events

NPR make corrections all the time: https://www.npr.org/corrections/
The subjective qualifier "elite" is not a justification to ignore a substantial amount of research, or to pretend it doesn't exist or doesn't apply. If what you said is true, where is the NPR article (and accompanying tweet) talking about how research now suggests that trans athletes have scientifically proven advantages at all levels of competition other than the "elite" level, whatever that happens to mean?


Good! He should be getting questioned about that sort of thing. That's what transparency does.
 
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The subjective qualifier "elite" is not a justification to ignore a substantial amount of research, or to pretend it doesn't exist or doesn't apply. If what you said is true, where is the NPR article (and accompanying tweet) talking about how research now suggests that trans athletes have scientifically proven advantages at all levels of competition other than the "elite" level, whatever that happens to mean?

your watchers disagree with you, the correction is allowed and the mishap is literally just about them misquoting their own article

 
your watchers disagree with you, the correction is allowed and the mishap is literally just about them misquoting their own article


I said "This NPR post would never have been corrected (quietly deleted, apparently without comment) if there wasn't a high-profile way of challenging their claims."

First off, I basically claimed to know that it would have never been corrected. That is an assumption on my part about something I couldn't really KNOW. Certainty is almost always a bad idea when it comes to debates like this, and I'll admit as much.

However, and this is key, the reason for the correction is very likely to have been the high-profile community notes correction of the original post, which was the point I was making in the first place. I also stand by my assertion that the subjective qualifier "elite" is not a justification to ignore a substantial amount of research, or to pretend it doesn't exist or doesn't apply."

Also, they're not MY watchers. They're also your watchers. They're regular users on twitter who correct blatant falsehoods, and they seem to be appying those corrections in a pretty non-partisan way that doesn't benefit any particular group or ideology. See for yourself:

 
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I also stand by my assertion that the subjective qualifier "elite" is not a justification to ignore a substantial amount of research, or to pretend it doesn't exist or doesn't apply."

why? because you're stubborn? no-one is ignoring it, it's just irrelevant to the entire discussion since the correction has been allowed by your watchers...you're just asking NPR to find a strawman for you
 
why? because you're stubborn? no-one is ignoring it, it's just irrelevant to the entire discussion since the correction has been allowed by your watchers...you're just asking NPR to find a strawman for you
It's not irrelevant, they're pretending it's irrelevant. All the trans athlete research in the world doesn't count in this case because the subjects weren't "elite" enough, seems to be the claim here. And even under the protection of that particular claim, they couldn't bring themselves to write the words "trans athletes have a physical advantage in many situations," if that is their claim. Instead we get a clinical and blatantly obvious sentence with all aspects of association with trans people removed from it. "Existing research shows that higher levels of testosterone do impact athletic performance."

But either way, the timeline remains the same. NPR tweets something that is clearly untrue, the tweet remained up for at least 24 hours, about three to four days later a correction tweet was issued, and this happened only after a community note was written pointing out the incorrect information. At the most charitable interpretation, NPR made a mistake and community notes helped them correct it. That's a good thing. Here's another example of a good correction people should know about, considering I've seen the same picture posted on GAF:


THIS IS NOT A REAL SCREEN SHOT. As the community note explains:
A lot of people in the comments aren’t sure if this is real or not. It is not, her eyes have been photoshopped to appear farther apart than they already are.



I will say that the community notes feature should be made a part of the embedded tweet. That's an oversight that I hope gets corrected soon.
 
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It's not irrelevant, they're pretending it's irrelevant. All the trans athlete research in the world doesn't count in this case because the subjects weren't "elite" enough, seems to be the claim here. And even under the protection of that particular claim, they couldn't bring themselves to write the words "trans athletes have a physical advantage in many situations," if that is their claim. Instead we get a clinical and blatantly obvious sentence with all aspects of association with trans people removed from it. "Existing research shows that higher levels of testosterone do impact athletic performance."

But either way, the timeline remains the same. NPR tweets something that is clearly untrue, the tweet remained up for at least 24 hours, about three to four days later a correction tweet was issued, and this happened only after a community note was written pointing out the incorrect information. At the most charitable interpretation, NPR made a mistake and community notes helped them correct it. That's a good thing. Here's another example of a good correction people should know about, considering I've seen the same picture posted on GAF:


THIS IS NOT A REAL SCREEN SHOT. As the community note explains:




I will say that the community notes feature should be made a part of the embedded tweet. That's an oversight that I hope gets corrected


Then everyone including your watchers is pretending it's irrelevant. Because it is, if not you can raise a further correction on the correction. The "charitable interpretation" is just what happened, what happens with any of their corrections. This one just happened to be on a platform that wasn't NPRs website. Everything else, including whatever Little Mermaid thing that's supposed to be, is your imagination adding things that aren't relevant.
 
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93xfan

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AFter he started suspending people for posting links to other social media sites, forbidding people from even sending dms containing mastodon usernames and ultimately ban posts linking to other social media sites like facebook, insta, etc, I hope he leaves. He won't, of course lol.
Guy is a hero for the Twitter Files imo. Government should never pressure companies to take away people’s right to speak.

Can’t speak to or support all his decisions, but he did a really courageous thing that has made him lots of enemies
 

DeepEnigma

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Guy is a hero for the Twitter Files imo. Government should never pressure companies to take away people’s right to speak.

Can’t speak to or support all his decisions, but he did a really courageous thing that has made him lots of enemies
And now a letter agency (IRS) is being weaponized towards the guy that was in charge of organizing and releasing them by showing up to his home. Must be pure a coinkydink tho, totes!
 
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93xfan

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And now a letter agency (IRS) is being weaponized towards the guy that was in charge of organizing and releasing them by showing up to his home. Must be pure a coinkydink tho, totes!
Some of the fascists here won’t even care. There just happy to see the government go after their political enemies
 
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Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Some of the fascists here won’t even care. There just happy to see the government go after their political enemies
"Facsists", huh? You have a pattern of using the most negative terminology to label the group of people who fall under the category of "people I disagree with". Do you really think this is accurate? Do you think this helps to convince people that you are the reasonable one when you use such hyperbolic terms unironically?
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
Some of the fascists here won’t even care. There just happy to see the government go after their political enemies

I'm not a fan of Musk... It's always seemed silly that anyone could be a fan of someone like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates or, in this case, Elon Musk.


But he's fumbled this whole thing that HE instigated! And he's continued to fumble it! He gets no sympathy from me for these self-inflicted stumbles he keeps perpetuating.

Not everyone critical of Musk is happy about any of this. And that doesn't make us fascists. Maybe look up the definition of a word before using it liberally.
 

DeepEnigma

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But he's fumbled this whole thing that HE instigated! And he's continued to fumble it! He gets no sympathy from me for these self-inflicted stumbles he keeps perpetuating.
How did he fumble? Explain.

I see this said a lot, but nobody is able to say why.

On another note,
 
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93xfan

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"Facsists", huh? You have a pattern of using the most negative terminology to label the group of people who fall under the category of "people I disagree with". Do you really think this is accurate? Do you think this helps to convince people that you are the reasonable one when you use such hyperbolic terms unironically?
What’s a sensitive word that’s inclusive that makes you feel comfortable?

And it is always an accurate term for the people who demand the government or any powerful entity shut down debate because they don’t agree. “Talking about where Covid came from could cause hate” while ignoring the hatred they continuously spew towards the right.

Is “Hypocritical fascists” better?
 
Guy is a hero for the Twitter Files imo. Government should never pressure companies to take away people’s right to speak.

Can’t speak to or support all his decisions, but he did a really courageous thing that has made him lots of enemies

Which Twitter Files specifically speak to that? A lot are politicians asking Twitter to moderate content, some of which were actioned, some which weren’t. The important thing is that the same requests could have come from private citizens, through the same channels. The whole Hunter Biden debacle wasn’t by the government.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
What’s a sensitive word that’s inclusive that makes you feel comfortable?

And it is always an accurate term for the people who demand the government or any powerful entity shut down debate because they don’t agree. “Talking about where Covid came from could cause hate” while ignoring the hatred they continuously spew towards the right.

Is “Hypocritical fascists” better?
I'm comfortable with most forms of speech. I'm just trying to give you some advice about communication and accurate vocabulary.

Eternal victimhood and grievance culture is not a healthy philosophy to go by. Not everyone is out to get you, and you don't need to have such an aggressive reactionary take to things you think are going against your team.
 

DeepEnigma

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Which Twitter Files specifically speak to that? A lot are politicians asking Twitter to moderate content, some of which were actioned, some which weren’t. The important thing is that the same requests could have come from private citizens, through the same channels. The whole Hunter Biden debacle wasn’t by the government.
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