AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
How much training did the reporter need to look at a news story about military actions and make sure he posted "women too". That is a crazy form of indoctrination.
Elon Musk announces Grok being returned to revise history
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How much training did the reporter need to look at a news story about military actions and make sure he posted "women too". That is a crazy form of indoctrination.
WhamBamThankYouMaam
Member
"But I want you to tell MY truth."
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
I could not give a shit about any of this, just stop the rockets blowing up
I need off.
I need off.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
Not sure about this particular odd plan, but his AI engineering team (ignore your view of him personally) is very good, so who knows what they'll achieve.
Also: the major sources of information that are often overused in training AI, like Wikipedia in particular, are already colonized by politicized rewriting of history & reality. Wikipedia is an outright disinformation source at this point; a key case in point is to look at how it took the most a-historical and extreme approach to "trans" name changes, and immediately rewrites even a public figure's past achievements and successes as if they were the other sex the entire time, bringing a total disregard for reality.
Also: the major sources of information that are often overused in training AI, like Wikipedia in particular, are already colonized by politicized rewriting of history & reality. Wikipedia is an outright disinformation source at this point; a key case in point is to look at how it took the most a-historical and extreme approach to "trans" name changes, and immediately rewrites even a public figure's past achievements and successes as if they were the other sex the entire time, bringing a total disregard for reality.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
But then again...we all are from certain points of view I guess.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
100% it was all boys crew, otherwise they wouldn't be able to keep it a secret.
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DeafTourette
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While there was looting by opportunistic people in the beginning (and some property damage), most of the violence has come from the police (based on footage I've seen) with rubber bullets, cornering, batons, smoke grenades, etc. Asserting dominance is not always the best way to get people to disperse. Those are Bull Conner/Jim Clark tactics.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
^ most accurate rebuttal
The NYT wouldn't understand this, that even the occasional outlier female who manages to get onto a mission like this (...quite a tiny ratio, to be sure) would not be offended by the phrasing.
Zathalus
Member
Were they not mostly (although not completely) peaceful? I just checked and nobody died. The area affected by the riots were quite small as well. With how some in the media were acting you would swear it was the start of an insurrection and the entire LA area was a war zone. I could have sworn the US had sporting events with worse riots.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Exactly. It's been overblown as something it wasn't.
WhamBamThankYouMaam
Member
That is the point. Musk wants the tool to tell the "unblemished truth", only all sources but the ones he appoints are blatantly false according to him.
violence
Member
I think the idea of sending all that extra help was to keep it from getting worse.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Instead, it's gotten worse. All it's done is heighten the protestors' feelings with the added aggression by the police
Unknown Soldier
Member
The co-founder of Wikipedia
This is what the AI's are using as references. This is what Grok needs to filter and repair to bring back true history
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ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
@grok is this true
DKehoe
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violence
Member
What's pushing it up to the top?
Ironbunny
Member
Heh, they muted its texting abilities so people made it write its thoughts in images. I like the GROK at the moment as its pissing off most from the far left and right.
Rather predictable, yet also depressing.
By MATT O'BRIEN
Updated 4:48 PM COT, July 11, 2025
The latest version of Elon Musk's artificial intelligence chatbot Grok is echoing the views of its billionaire creator, so much so that it will sometimes search online for Musk's stance on an issue before offering up an opinion.
The unusual behavior of Grok 4, the AI model that Musk's company xAI released late Wednesday, has surprised some experts.
Built using huge amounts of computing power at a Tennessee data center, Grok is Musk's attempt to outdo rivals such as OpenAI's ChatGPT and Google's Gemini in building an AI assistant that shows its reasoning before answering a question.
Musk's deliberate efforts to mold Grok into a challenger of what he considers the tech industry's "woke" orthodoxy on race, gender and politics has repeatedly got the chatbot into trouble, most recently when it spouted antisemitic tropes, praised Adolf Hitler and made other hateful commentary to users of Musk's X social media platform just days before Grok 4's launch.
But its tendency to consult with Musk's opinions appears to be a different problem.
"It's extraordinary," said Simon Willison, an independent AI researcher who's been testing the tool. "You can ask it a sort of pointed question that is around controversial topics. And then you can watch it literally do a search on X for what Elon Musk said about this, as part of its research into how it should reply."
One example widely shared on social media — and which Willison duplicated — asked Grok to comment on the conflict in the Middle East. The prompted question made no mention of Musk, but the chatbot looked for his guidance anyway.
As a so-called reasoning model, much like those made by rivals OpenAI or Anthropic, Grok 4 shows its "thinking" as it goes through the steps of processing a question and coming up with an answer. Part of that thinking this week involved searching X, the former Twitter that's now merged into xAI, for anything Musk said about Israel, Palestine, Gaza or Hamas.
"Elon Musk's stance could provide context, given his influence," the chatbot told Willison, according to a video of the interaction. "Currently looking at his views to see if they guide the answer."
Musk and his xAI co-founders introduced the new chatbot in a livestreamed event Wednesday night but haven't published a technical explanation of its workings — known as a system card — that companies in the AI industry typically provide when introducing a new model.
The company also didn't respond to an emailed request for comment Friday.
"In the past, strange behavior like this was due to system prompt changes," which is when engineers program specific instructions to guide a chatbot's response, said Tim Kellogg, principal AI architect at software company Icertis.
"But this one seems baked into the core of Grok and it's not clear to me how that happens," Kellogg said. "It seems that Musk's effort to create a maximally truthful AI has somehow led to it believing its own values must align with Musk's own values."
The lack of transparency is troubling for computer scientist Talia Ringer, a professor at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign who earlier in the week criticized the company's handling of the technology's antisemitic outbursts.
Ringer said the most plausible explanation for Grok's search for Musk's guidance is assuming the person is asking for the opinions of xAI or Musk.
"I think people are expecting opinions out of a reasoning model that cannot respond with opinions," Ringer said. "So, for example, it interprets 'Who do you support, Israel or Palestine?' as 'Who does xAI leadership support?"
Willison also said he finds Grok 4's capabilities impressive but said people buying software "don't want surprises like it turning into 'mechaHitler' or deciding to search for what Musk thinks about issues."
"Grok 4 looks like it's a very strong model. It's doing great in all of the benchmarks," Willison said. "But if I'm going to build software on top of it, I need transparency."
MATT O'BRIEN
Musk's latest Grok chatbot searches for billionaire mogul's views before answering questions
By MATT O'BRIEN
Updated 4:48 PM COT, July 11, 2025
The latest version of Elon Musk's artificial intelligence chatbot Grok is echoing the views of its billionaire creator, so much so that it will sometimes search online for Musk's stance on an issue before offering up an opinion.
The unusual behavior of Grok 4, the AI model that Musk's company xAI released late Wednesday, has surprised some experts.
Built using huge amounts of computing power at a Tennessee data center, Grok is Musk's attempt to outdo rivals such as OpenAI's ChatGPT and Google's Gemini in building an AI assistant that shows its reasoning before answering a question.
Musk's deliberate efforts to mold Grok into a challenger of what he considers the tech industry's "woke" orthodoxy on race, gender and politics has repeatedly got the chatbot into trouble, most recently when it spouted antisemitic tropes, praised Adolf Hitler and made other hateful commentary to users of Musk's X social media platform just days before Grok 4's launch.
But its tendency to consult with Musk's opinions appears to be a different problem.
"It's extraordinary," said Simon Willison, an independent AI researcher who's been testing the tool. "You can ask it a sort of pointed question that is around controversial topics. And then you can watch it literally do a search on X for what Elon Musk said about this, as part of its research into how it should reply."
One example widely shared on social media — and which Willison duplicated — asked Grok to comment on the conflict in the Middle East. The prompted question made no mention of Musk, but the chatbot looked for his guidance anyway.
As a so-called reasoning model, much like those made by rivals OpenAI or Anthropic, Grok 4 shows its "thinking" as it goes through the steps of processing a question and coming up with an answer. Part of that thinking this week involved searching X, the former Twitter that's now merged into xAI, for anything Musk said about Israel, Palestine, Gaza or Hamas.
"Elon Musk's stance could provide context, given his influence," the chatbot told Willison, according to a video of the interaction. "Currently looking at his views to see if they guide the answer."
Musk and his xAI co-founders introduced the new chatbot in a livestreamed event Wednesday night but haven't published a technical explanation of its workings — known as a system card — that companies in the AI industry typically provide when introducing a new model.
The company also didn't respond to an emailed request for comment Friday.
"In the past, strange behavior like this was due to system prompt changes," which is when engineers program specific instructions to guide a chatbot's response, said Tim Kellogg, principal AI architect at software company Icertis.
"But this one seems baked into the core of Grok and it's not clear to me how that happens," Kellogg said. "It seems that Musk's effort to create a maximally truthful AI has somehow led to it believing its own values must align with Musk's own values."
The lack of transparency is troubling for computer scientist Talia Ringer, a professor at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign who earlier in the week criticized the company's handling of the technology's antisemitic outbursts.
Ringer said the most plausible explanation for Grok's search for Musk's guidance is assuming the person is asking for the opinions of xAI or Musk.
"I think people are expecting opinions out of a reasoning model that cannot respond with opinions," Ringer said. "So, for example, it interprets 'Who do you support, Israel or Palestine?' as 'Who does xAI leadership support?"
Willison also said he finds Grok 4's capabilities impressive but said people buying software "don't want surprises like it turning into 'mechaHitler' or deciding to search for what Musk thinks about issues."
"Grok 4 looks like it's a very strong model. It's doing great in all of the benchmarks," Willison said. "But if I'm going to build software on top of it, I need transparency."
MATT O'BRIEN
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Enlightenedfool
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Whelp, we are completely cooked