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Embracer Group Interim Report: Dead Island 2 Delayed to April 28th - Saints Row Underperformed - Volition Becoming Part of Gearbox Studios
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Stuart360
Member
Thing is it probably would of meant death if this didnt happen, with Saints Row underperforming, and Agents of Mayhem down right flopping.
Anime-Vix
Member
I think it going to be a combination of many things. It is either going to be a Gamepass deal. Some of Embracer games might launch day 1 on gamepass or PS Plus subscription service
Another interesting tidbit, question is what does this licensing deal look like and which partners
The other option might be co publishing agreement like what EA and Tecmo Koei Is doing with Wild Hearts.
Drizzlehell
Banned
Damn, it's pretty sad to see Volition going out like this. They held out on the market for so many years, dating back to the good old days of 90s PC gaming...
I wonder how many of their current staff are the same people who worked on Freespace or the original Red Faction.
I wonder how many of their current staff are the same people who worked on Freespace or the original Red Faction.
Loke
Member
HL: Opposing Force was pretty great although it was an expansion pack so they only built upon an already legendary game.
I wish there were some way 3D Realms could get the IP back to be honest. Fortunately George Broussard doesn't work there anymore.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Feb to Apr is not that bad of a delay, and looking at all the games currently coming out in Q1, it makes sense to give this one a little breathing room.
diffusionx
Gold Member
“Partially polarized” lmao. People called out the game literally the day it was announced, the PR team just mocked them for it, and they kept doubling down. I dont remember a single review of the game talking about the story and characters positively. It was just a bad decision to turn it Zoomer Student Debt Row and they should have said so.
As always Volition is just a name on the building, the studio that made Freespace and Saints Row 2 and Red Faction Guerrilla is long gone. Dev teams really cant survive two bomba in a row these days.
U n i o n 0015
Member
The more shitty ideas fail in the marketplace, the better.
Whoever was involved in cooking up that trash should feel bad. And I don't mean the devs that worked hard, I mean the writers and designers who thought that was the approach they should take with SR.
MiguelItUp
Member
Can't say I'm surprised about DI2, but hey, at least it's coming and it looks as good as it does. I really do hope it delivers through and through though. I wonder if Volition migrating has anything to do with how Saint's Row performed. Wouldn't be surprised.
Dirk Benedict
Member
That's exactly why!
GenericUser
Member
No, not sorry, they did it to themselves.Nobody here sad that the Volition legacy stops here? Didn't play their latest because it never looked great, and they not necessarily made my all-time favorite games, but Volition had quite some history.
Etc. Pour one out for Volition!
- Descent
- Red Faction
- Freespace
- The Punisher
- Saints Row
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Nobody here sad that the Volition legacy stops here? Didn't play their latest because it never looked great, and they not necessarily made my all-time favorite games, but Volition had quite some history.
Etc. Pour one out for Volition!
- Descent
- Red Faction
- Freespace
- The Punisher
- Saints Row
That Punisher game was so good
BusierDonkey
Member
Partially meaning a couple streamers that were paid to play it pretended to enjoy it despite it being a pile of shit?
I'm sure being placed under Randy will only make things better. Borderlands 3 was by far the worst game in the series despite having solid gameplay, unless Tiny Tina is somehow worse. I'll find out when it hits the bargain bin.
EDIT: Apparently Randy is no longer in charge of Gearbox games, rather some Steve Jones is running the current mess. Doubt it'll make much of a difference.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Didn't know they made Descent for Interplay.
winjer
Member
True, it's not that bad. If it was the first delay.
But this game has been delayed many times, for several years now.
SportsFan581
Member
You can see the logic in them not wanting DI to get buried behind a lot of other releases. Looking forward to it, hopefully it is good.
Bragr
Banned
Can't believe I missed this, I love Descent and Forsaken.
There are so many games that fly under the radar these days.
March Climber
Member
Because that would imply that every other game that has done that exact thing also failed, which we all know is false.
Instead of thinking I'm trying to defend the game's aesthetic(or even defend this game at all for that matter), take a step back and realize that I'm looking at things from a logical point of view.
Fuz
Banned
It has been reported that Eidos Montreal has been working in a new Fable game unrelated to Playground, apparently even more games with Xbox. People are now wondering if Embracer might have bought SQE with intention of selling them to Microsoft to flip for a quick profit.
Dirk Benedict
Member
"expectations in the quarter" Let's see how this pans out in the long term.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
They need to make a deal with MS. They will be a great addition to GP.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Just imagine a crossover. All the diversity, Gen-Z relatability, and clever anti-capitalist intellectual themes of Saints Row combined with the Claptraps and shit/piss/fart jokes of Borderlands
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
"Financially, Saints Row has performed in line with management expectations in the quarter."
Strider Highwind
Banned
Gearbox and Volition. Whole catalog runs from ass to average between the two.
eastcoastkody
Member
so i guess my dream of Embracer pumping money into Avengers was just that, a dream.
the Avengers ppl keep going radio silent for 4 months at a time, with zero content being released.
the Avengers ppl keep going radio silent for 4 months at a time, with zero content being released.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Agree. You don't put the name Saints Row on a zoomer power fantasy like this and expect decades-long fans of the series to play along. The reception for the game might have been different if they named it something else.
Stuart360
Member
You have to wonder (and hope) if Rockstar will look at the Saints Row situation, and the fan backlash, closely in regards to how 'modern' they go with in GTA6.
Although its Rockstar isnt it, who are basically untouchable and will do what they want.
Kacho
Gold Member
ReBurn
Gold Member
We'll see. People are hanging onto GTA V because they're invested in GTA Online. If they don't mess up the online game in the transition to GTA 6 they'll probably be fine even if there's a lot of politically correct gunk. Loads of people in GTA online don't care about the backstory of GTA V. Being too politically correct could be fatal to GTA 6 if the online world doesn't exist. And I'm sure it will exist.
JonSnowball
Member
When Embracer acquired Gearbox the company restructured, Randy effectively gave himself a promotion. He's now the CEO of the "Gearbox Entertainment Group" and in that role he still calls all the shots but has appointed people to run Gearbox Software/Gearbox Publishing - those being Steve Jones/Steve Gibson.
MayauMiao
Member
Volition was dead the moment Saints Row 2022 was revealed.
digoutyoursoul
Member
They actually went there with that “haters gonna hate” shit.
Makes me laugh, they have to use established IPs for whatever it is they do and seem incapable or refuse to, create new worlds/IPs.
And this is another one that hasn’t worked.
Let’s not forget the state the game launched in , yet another example of release now, fix later with publishers expecting day one sales at increasing prices. Fuck off.
Makes me laugh, they have to use established IPs for whatever it is they do and seem incapable or refuse to, create new worlds/IPs.
And this is another one that hasn’t worked.
Let’s not forget the state the game launched in , yet another example of release now, fix later with publishers expecting day one sales at increasing prices. Fuck off.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
yea i was just about to say, why would the title say "Saints Row underperformed" and the actual comments literally support that it didn't. Saying something like "performed in line with management expectations" sounds like they got what they wanted to financially, but I expected that considering its on many platforms, ranked at the top in both US and UK and looked like they had a budget that fit what they thought it would sell. So them getting the sale they expected isn't really shocking imho. I think people who thought it wouldn't are a bit too busy with off topic shit to see this objectively.
lol except it didn't. its even more nice that some of you got you hopes up on that one though lol
Fuz
lol pretty much. People this triggered will believe anything they want to believe. They are beating off to a title even with the actual factual information suggesting it actually performed what they expected. I mean...we literally fucking saw this game rank above Elden Ring, but some are holding on to this doooooom type of speak hoping the publisher will be like "FAILED beyond belief" or something. They are repeating the title of a thread someone made, more then the actual fucking factual information given by the publisher cause it doesn't fit their fake narrative.
digoutyoursoul
? they are not a independent team, someone owns them. A new IP is upon the publisher to decide. Remove a bit of that emotion from all that to understand why the game was made instead of this rage fest man lol Some of you get so deep into this shit its like you loose all common sense or reality and just start raging lol I'd like a new IP too btw, but I can't fault the team as they are not a independent team, I'd question the publisher and since the game performed as expected, I can't even blame the publisher in this respect as clearly they were just to choose that IP as they got a return they expected. I still believe they should do a new IP, but I'd ask Embracer to allow that in the future if they have some new ideas or something.
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digoutyoursoul
Member
What’s so bad about calling out a weak product that was clearly unfinished yet expect people to pay full price for the day of release?
Don’t take this the wrong way, but you make out like I’m foaming at the mouth in rage or weeping in some “it’s not fair” tantrum. I just think it’s a shitty and unwelcome increasing habit that deserves no respect to the publishers hence the “fuck off”
As someone who likes the series , the first game and it’s multiplayer in particular, it’s in my interest for these games to be great dude.
The only agenda I have is to see great consoles and games .
Don’t take this the wrong way, but you make out like I’m foaming at the mouth in rage or weeping in some “it’s not fair” tantrum. I just think it’s a shitty and unwelcome increasing habit that deserves no respect to the publishers hence the “fuck off”
As someone who likes the series , the first game and it’s multiplayer in particular, it’s in my interest for these games to be great dude.
The only agenda I have is to see great consoles and games .
diffusionx
Gold Member
Who cares how it did in August 2022, nobody buys video games in the summer lol. Performing according to “management expectations” can mean all sorts of things, like they expected it to bomb because they realized it was a massive piece of shit. If the game did great then they would have said they have a new top tier franchise to build on, instead they are going to be working on Borderland maps or whatever going forward. Really says it all.
TransTrender
Gold Member
At this point waiting a bit more for Dead Island 2 is no big deal. We've waited this long and I'm curious how it will turn out.
I also remember when Volition made good games. Like Descent and Freespace.
I also remember when Volition made good games. Like Descent and Freespace.
Unknown Soldier
Member
I doubt that modern Volition has anything to do with the studio that made those games. Same as how modern Bioware is just a name, everyone who made Bioware good left years ago.Nobody here sad that the Volition legacy stops here? Didn't play their latest because it never looked great, and they not necessarily made my all-time favorite games, but Volition had quite some history.
Etc. Pour one out for Volition!
- Descent
- Red Faction
- Freespace
- The Punisher
- Saints Row
Dirk Benedict
Member
it's a much better game, even if it's a different genre.
yea i was just about to say, why would the title say "Saints Row underperformed" and the actual comments literally support that it didn't. Saying something like "performed in line with management expectations" sounds like they got what they wanted to financially, but I expected that considering its on many platforms, ranked at the top in both US and UK and looked like they had a budget that fit what they thought it would sell. So them getting the sale they expected isn't really shocking imho. I think people who thought it wouldn't are a bit too busy with off topic shit to see this objectively.
lol except it didn't. its even more nice that some of you got you hopes up on that one though lol
I mean...we literally fucking saw this game rank above Elden Ring, but some are holding on to this doooooom type of speak hoping the publisher will be like "FAILED beyond belief" or something. They are repeating the title of a thread someone made, more then the actual fucking factual information given by the publisher cause it doesn't fit their fake narrative.
Remove a bit of that emotion from all that to understand why the game was made instead of this rage fest man lol Some of you get so deep into this shit its like you loose all common sense or reality and just start raging lol I'd like a new IP too btw, but I can't fault the team as they are not a independent team, I'd question the publisher and since the game performed as expected, I can't even blame the publisher in this respect as clearly they were just to choose that IP as they got a return they expected. I still believe they should do a new IP, but I'd ask Embracer to allow that in the future if they have some new ideas or something.
Imagine going to great lengths to post this shit and it have any effect on me, what-so-ever? I don't even partake in console war shit anymore. I just posted a small sentence, and we got defenders of the game, coming out like the thicker roaches in the kitchen. LMAO!
ToTTenTranz
Banned
Looks like August 2022 was a particularly slow month in what concerns new game releases.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Looks like August 2022 was a particularly slow month in what concerns new game releases.
I agree it was a slow month, it doesn't change that it ranked above it. So I see how they made what they expected from ranking so high on NPD and UK charts or something.
? Console war? what are you talking about?
Did you reply to the wrong person?
I don't own the game....
So..I just posted facts. I think some of you need to do the same instead of this whole triggered thing of trying look for hot takes instead of objectively looking at this.
The truth hurting is kinda nice..=)
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