I keep reading that, but (a) Renegade wasn't the best song on Blueprint. Probably not even one of the Top 5; (b) that wasn't Jay-Z's best effort on that song. Yes, he definitely took that song and ran with it, but it's not like he'd blaze Jay-Z head-to-head. In a freestyle? No doubt. On an album? Hell fuck no. Jay-Z's released way more albums than Em, and never fell off like he did with an Encore. Even Vol. 3, which everone likes to rip on is 10x better than Encore. Nigga please. PEACE.tmdorsey said:
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Eminem Reportedly Retiring (article)
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RonaldoSan
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Who are these better rappers? I simply don't see them.
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Eminem's problem for his last couple years was that his features (when he was featured) were terrible and in Encore, he had nothing worthwhile to say. He was best when he was angry and when the media and politicians were attacking him left and right. He's a good reaction rapper I guess would be the term. I'd even go as far to say that The Eminem Show was a mediocre album as he pretty much tied up some loose ends but then talked a whole hell of a lot of nothing. Talking about yourself is a lot less interesting when there's nothing to say.
Slim Shady LP was decent but Marshall Mathers LP is a classic. I'd say the latter is the only one worth owning, with the former being a good purchase if you can find it for a couple of dollars. Infinite wasn't good and Slim Shady EP is almost the same as the LP.
There are indeed better rappers out there. Including his Dr. Dre of the underground, Royce da 5'9. Royce is getting better and better over time.
Slim Shady LP was decent but Marshall Mathers LP is a classic. I'd say the latter is the only one worth owning, with the former being a good purchase if you can find it for a couple of dollars. Infinite wasn't good and Slim Shady EP is almost the same as the LP.
There are indeed better rappers out there. Including his Dr. Dre of the underground, Royce da 5'9. Royce is getting better and better over time.
umm infinite is damn near a classic. he rips that shit to shreds.
i agree he has lost motivation though....and it showed on encore.
he doesn have that same anger, passion, and controversy to fuel him.
TES, although diff was awesome. too bad his work on the 8 mile soundtrack set my expecatations so high...
he better not retire with encore...which for most other rappers would be amazing but for him was sub par. he should do one more album...feature guests like jay z, nas, redman, and guys like luda and go out on top.
damnit soemthing needs to make him angry!
i agree he has lost motivation though....and it showed on encore.
he doesn have that same anger, passion, and controversy to fuel him.
TES, although diff was awesome. too bad his work on the 8 mile soundtrack set my expecatations so high...
he better not retire with encore...which for most other rappers would be amazing but for him was sub par. he should do one more album...feature guests like jay z, nas, redman, and guys like luda and go out on top.
damnit soemthing needs to make him angry!
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Em won't fully retire, but he DOES need to take a good 2 or so years off. Most people would consider me a pretty in depth hip hop "head", although I'm not as hardcore into as I used to be, and I've always been a big fan of Eminem. I've defended this guy countless times, but there was NOTHING I could come up to rebuttal the bashes on Encore, an album in which even I thought sucked.
Em has been going downhill since he signed 50 Cent. Not saying that 50's the reason for Shady's decline, but thats the most notable starting point. Hes just lost himself, and has become far too gimmicky. Just the other day I came across the Slim Shady LP while going through some CDs in my car, and that album still blows me away. That prompted me to go back and listen to alot of his early freestyles and collabs, like his Wake-up show session wiht Jurrasic 5, or that classic 15min Detroid Radio freestyle with Royce Da 5'9, and who can forget the Rap-O-lympics. "And Everyone in this whole entire place will miss you if you try to turn my facial tissue to a racial issue, No bodys hearing you, you're a wack liar, Damn..all your white jokes just backfired"
The man is a fuckin genious, and despite his decline(even though he had a moment or two) over the last couple of years I'de still put him in my top 5 dead or alive list without hesitation.
Speaking of Royce....ID4 is fiya.
Em has been going downhill since he signed 50 Cent. Not saying that 50's the reason for Shady's decline, but thats the most notable starting point. Hes just lost himself, and has become far too gimmicky. Just the other day I came across the Slim Shady LP while going through some CDs in my car, and that album still blows me away. That prompted me to go back and listen to alot of his early freestyles and collabs, like his Wake-up show session wiht Jurrasic 5, or that classic 15min Detroid Radio freestyle with Royce Da 5'9, and who can forget the Rap-O-lympics. "And Everyone in this whole entire place will miss you if you try to turn my facial tissue to a racial issue, No bodys hearing you, you're a wack liar, Damn..all your white jokes just backfired"
The man is a fuckin genious, and despite his decline(even though he had a moment or two) over the last couple of years I'de still put him in my top 5 dead or alive list without hesitation.
Speaking of Royce....ID4 is fiya.
ID4 i heard was sub par itself.
man i miss the old eminem who wouldnt let a word go to waste. i hear some of the new stuff and its completely garbage.
i agree it started after 8 mile and when he signed 50....he changed into a mentor and lost the hunger for his own career.
sigh infinite, SSLP, MMLP, and TES are prolly the best 4 albums released in a row by any artist.
notice i didnt say there arent better artists than him but that time period....which includes his rise, his guest appearances, freestyles....no wonder he blew up like he did. his voice carried so much energy.
i hope he makes another one.
man i miss the old eminem who wouldnt let a word go to waste. i hear some of the new stuff and its completely garbage.
i agree it started after 8 mile and when he signed 50....he changed into a mentor and lost the hunger for his own career.
sigh infinite, SSLP, MMLP, and TES are prolly the best 4 albums released in a row by any artist.
notice i didnt say there arent better artists than him but that time period....which includes his rise, his guest appearances, freestyles....no wonder he blew up like he did. his voice carried so much energy.
i hope he makes another one.
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effzee said:
I agree, from 96-2002 there may not have been anyone more consistent.
I also think he to do the opposite of what his album reports--which is cut back on making beats and concentrate mostly if not exclusively on lyrics. He produced most of the beats on Encore, and most of them sucked. Hes no Kanye, meaning he can't be equally as great on the mic and behind the scenes. He has Dre, unlimited resources, and contacts to any producer out there--why he insists on letting his rhymes suffer for his average ass beats is beyond me.
Hopefully he'll take a page from Jay Z and Nas, both who came back with classics after pretty long dry spells. Jay with the original Blueprint, and Nas with Stillmatic.
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I don't think Eminem has declined... I just think he the stuff he does atm is mediocre.
The deal with fity motivated Eminem a little in the beginning. He was killing on fifty's album anyways. Back in 04' he went on westwood and spitted that sick ass freestyle.
The deal with fity motivated Eminem a little in the beginning. He was killing on fifty's album anyways. Back in 04' he went on westwood and spitted that sick ass freestyle.
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tmdorsey said:
Wrong. No body flows or flowed like Jay. Breath control and always being on beat. His delivery. No matter the beat, he was always in control. Lyrics is debatable. However, mechanics aren't, Jay is the best ever in that regard. Now, most regard the Blueprint as a classic, right? He did that LP in two days. That's genius man. Watch Jay live, then watch another rapper live, totally different.
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exactly in a recent interview he mentioned how when he started it was lyrics lyrics lyrics all the time and now he busy producing.
if he let dre and other do the producing, stop trying to coach every single artist on his label and focused on his own work....he can still churn out a classic.
but his priorities have shifted and he wants to fade in the background. at this point he has the luxury to do that.
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Man please, check Em's guest apperances. On every song his flow is on time and perfect and his lyrics actually match the theme of the songs, where as on alot of guest apperances Jay Z's lyrics and flow hardly ever go with the songs. It's almost as if he sends the artist pre-recorded verses before ever hearing the songs.
Jay Z is soooo overrated it isn't even funny anymore.
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tmdorsey said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You obviously don't know. Why do you think Jay-Z has his own unplugged? Because he can perform live with his talent. Eminem has admitted to be off beat on his works. Find any rapper/reporter worth a damn, they will tell you Jay-Z has the best flow, that is not debatable. His flow is his biggest claim to fame. That is Jay-Z, the ability to ride a beat effortlessly. That is his enduring legacy.
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I'd give you a link to the 'Tupac is GOAT' or whatever it was called thread but I'm lazy.RonaldoSan said:
Uh, I thought the ability to ride a beat effortlessly went to Snoop? Anyways, you're right about eminem. The Source did an interview with him before the Eminem Show released and before their falling out, and he flat out told them that he's always trying to work on improving his timing between beats, hitting the beats in the songs perfectly, etc, and he said that while he's done it very well on a few tracks, you can tell which ones are on and which are off.Agent Icebeezy said:
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Agent Icebeezy said:
most of you are morons on this subject, including this guy.
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Seriously?
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now if only the rest of them would go the same way......
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I'm not a groupie or some complete idiot. Nobody will ever top Tupac. He's dead now so he can't really fit into the debate. That's like discussing a certain sport and then bringing up legends from the past.Fresh Prince said:
Eminem Denies Retirement is Ahead
Friday - July 22, 2005
Contrary to previous reports, Eminem has no plans to hang up the microphone in September upon completion of his Anger Management Tour. Sources close to the rapper first leaked the story but a statement from the man himself deads all the rumors.
During an interview with MTV.com the rapper explicitly stated, Im not retiring. He later went on to state, "When I say I'm taking a break, I'm taking a break from my music to go in the studio and produce my other artists and put their albums out. That's called taking a break for me," he says.
Initial reports from Detroit stated that the rapper was tired of the spotlight and wanted to focus his efforts on production.
Eminem also stated that while he would not be rapping forever, he cautioned fans about believing everything they see in print. "When I know my next move, I'll tell everyone my next move. Not some reporter he told MTV.com. I havent said anything yet.
When the time comes for Slim Shady to hang up the mic, dont worry, his presence will still be felt in tape decks and CD changers world wide. I'm gonna always make music, whether I'm just sittin' behind the boards and producing and making beats and puttin' my other artists out there.
Friday - July 22, 2005
Contrary to previous reports, Eminem has no plans to hang up the microphone in September upon completion of his Anger Management Tour. Sources close to the rapper first leaked the story but a statement from the man himself deads all the rumors.
During an interview with MTV.com the rapper explicitly stated, Im not retiring. He later went on to state, "When I say I'm taking a break, I'm taking a break from my music to go in the studio and produce my other artists and put their albums out. That's called taking a break for me," he says.
Initial reports from Detroit stated that the rapper was tired of the spotlight and wanted to focus his efforts on production.
Eminem also stated that while he would not be rapping forever, he cautioned fans about believing everything they see in print. "When I know my next move, I'll tell everyone my next move. Not some reporter he told MTV.com. I havent said anything yet.
When the time comes for Slim Shady to hang up the mic, dont worry, his presence will still be felt in tape decks and CD changers world wide. I'm gonna always make music, whether I'm just sittin' behind the boards and producing and making beats and puttin' my other artists out there.
Diablos said:
Looks like you jinxed it. :lol
I hope Em has one more hot album in him. Sadly I think he needs to be pissed off at everything imaginable in order to get the best out of him. It's a bit similiar to how certain bands produced their best stuff when they're embroiled in turmoil.
And BTW, Em has pretty much stayed out of the spotlight since the height of his beef with Benzino. You pretty much have to dig to find any news on the guy these days. A far cry from a few years ago when he was choking the life out of sock puppets. :lol Whether you like or hate Em's producing, it's at least enabled him to focus on something and keep him out of trouble. Ironically it's probably made him a lot less interesting.
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