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[GymWolf]

It is a real thing, yesterday a client passed at my work with his slightly retarded\autistic son and their new dog and he told me that since they have this dog, the guy has being doing far better (happier, less nervous, more talkative etc.) and they can only attribute that to the dog.

So maybe the whole animal into a plane thing is a bit much, but emotional support animals are a real thing, animals like dogs or horses have a huge empathy towards ill people.

 

[Tschumi]

The whole galaxy of our opinions of animals is hugely skewed and yukky

But i mean not to any extent that makes me wanna say more than these few words about it

 

[GeorgPrime]

For the unaware, with minimal effort on their part people are unable to have a therapist declare their pet an "emotional support animal" which somehow gives them legal authority to take their pets places where they don't belong and burden others with their bullshit. For example:

'Emotional support' pig kicked off US Airways flight | CNN

Passenger takes miniature horse named ‘Flirty’ on plane as service animal | The Independent | The Independent


I don't doubt that these people have emotional problems, because it's self-evident that someone who thinks it's a reasonable thing to burden a cramped plane full of people with their filthy animal is fucked in the head. However, it's ridiculous that society plays along with this bullshit and entertains the notion. To their credit, airlines (finally) caught onto this bullshit and have recently cracked down. However, it's still widely abused. For example, I visited a friend's condo the other day and immediately struck by the amount of loud noise coming from the unit above. It turns out that the upstairs neighbor has some sort of large shepherd that runs around the unit making all sorts of noise. The HSA rules don't permit dogs larger than 30 pounds for this very reason, but the people got it designated as an "emotional support dog" to sidestep that rule and when my buddy complained to the HSA about it they told him there's nothing they can do. Complete bullshit.

I suspect that the overwhelming majority of use cases for "emotional support animals" is to thwart rules such as these that are intended to protect other people from having their comfort and privacy being intruded on by people's pets. Thoughts?

A horse is no animal that is supposed to be taken to an airplane as emotional support. If you want an animal for emotional support on a a plane, get a dog or a cat.

You can have a emotional horse support if you have a farm where it can stay.

Whoever thought this is a great idea to bring a horse to a plane should be slapped in the face several times to begin with

 

[RedWhiteBlue]

Doesn't matter.

No airplane full of customers, as well as the big thing about safety on plane (which somehow gets overridden with animals standing there) should need to deal with this. What happened to the big hoopla about customer safety, clear aisles, no standing and everyone needing to be buckled in?

And no flight crew should be forced to know how to deal with pet snakes or horses or clean up giant dumps.

Something happens and you got a Mini Mr Ed clogging the aisle.

emotional animal pony plane - Google Search

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I'm interested in how this actually works and the logic behind it.

I am assuming that the person brining the animal on the plane needs to block book the row of 2 or 3 seats.

What if the presence of the animal causes other passengers to have anxiety? So, for example, if my kid is terrified of dogs and some idiot has booked at seat for themselves and their dog right next to us is that just tough shit for us? What if other passengers have allergies etc? Do they have to clear all that in advance?

I wonder if there is a maximum flight time allowed as it probably isn't great for the the animal if the flight is quite long. Do they just piss and shit wherever?

Seems to me that there would be more hassle involved with bringing a support animal on a flight, especially a larger animal, and that there is no consideration of where one passengers right to feel comfortable might interfere with other passengers rights.

 

[nush]

My support animal

 

[RedWhiteBlue]

It is a real thing, yesterday a client passed at my work with his slightly retarded\autistic son and their new dog and he told me that since they have this dog, the guy has being doing far better (happier, less nervous, more talkative etc.) and they can only attribute that to the dog.

So maybe the whole animal into a plane thing is a bit much, but emotional support animals are a real thing, animals like dogs or horses have a huge empathy towards ill people.

Was anyone arguing that it isn't a real thing?

Of course the concept of people using pets for comfort and support and companionship is like thousands of years old.

The whole bringing a horse on a plane thing feels more like "I can do it so I am doing it and you can go fuck yourself if you don't like it".

Funny because if I was going on vacation on a 2 or 3 hour flight I'd probably be quite happy if my neighbour had a wee doggo or one of those mini horses. If I was flying in for a business meeting knowing I am going directly to a client when I get of the flight I would be seriously unhappy with some arsehole taking up space with their stupid animal and worried about getting pissed on or something.

 

[GymWolf]

That cat is fake right??!

 

[xrnzaaas]

Well it's not the same as being blind or stuck to a wheelchair, but these people are still intellectually disabled. Don't hate them.

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

I'm a therapist and you are incorrect.

One of the biggest problems with mental health is that people don't have stable "Love Objects" in their lives.

There's a whole form of psychotherapy called Object Relations Therapy about this topic.

To keep it brief, there was a famous monkey study where monkey babies were put in different cages with a mother figure. One cage had a mother monkey, the next a warm stuffed animal monkey, the next a statue monkey, the next a wire model of a monkey, the next a pole, and the final cage nothing but the baby monkies.

The babies with the best behavior were with the real monkey and their behavior declined as the female monkey became less realistic. The babies that grew up alone were very neurotic, nervous, and crazy.

Most mental health issues come from being raised poorly by your parents. That's because they were "unstable objects" in your life meaning you could not cling to them or they were missing. A psychologically distant mother is worse than having one made out of wire, for instance.

Animals, especially dogs, are some kind of amazing blessing in that they are massively affectionate and tend to be very stable. So, the human with a "comfort animal" is like one of those baby monkeys holding on to a "mommy" surrogate.

On an unkind note, people with mental problems tend to be very annoying. They are like the crazy lonely baby monkeys with nothing to hold on to. So, they are going to be annoying, attention seeking, and so on. That's why they need the comfort animal.

Interesting - and needed - comment.
Unfortunately, I think the basic point still inevitably stands: if you need your love object absolutely everywhere, maybe you need more support than your pet alone. You literally depend on the presence of an animal to function.

Also, in your experience, what happens when the pet typically dies way before its owner? I’d guess the loss would be devastating for the patient.

 

[INC]

Theres a few exceptions, like soldiers with PTSD and shit, or you're blind lol

 

[Hatemachine]

Theres a few exceptions, like soldiers with PTSD and shit, or you're blind lol

Service animals are a completely different thing. They are highly trained, including training for stressful situations, and provide a service that the owner needs to function.

 

[CAB_Life]

I admit it's a foreign concept to me. It does strike me as a bit silly but I'm just an elder millennial and apparently I'm some kind of unicorn because I don't have any deep-seated emotional or mental problems.

Millennial status card revoked. Demoted to boomer.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

How fucking grating does that bloke sound, and acting like that if a cat turned up you must have a mental age of five

My ears, jesus.

 

[TheAdlerian]

What data is there to support bringing a horse, snake or pet pig to someone's wedding isn't an issue for everyone in a church?

My neighbour sometimes leaves trash on the side of his house for a month before bringing it to the curb for pick up (we share a tight corridor leading to each person's backyard gates), what data is there showing neighbours leaving trash on the side of the house for 30 days isn't a pain in the butt for the other person?

See? Pretty dumb to assume it's ok just because there isn't forensic research saying yay or nay.

You even said you've never heard of issues on a regular basis which means you've seen or heard issues. It's a plane ride (which is probably the most strict things you need to follow in order to do it). No need for extra hassles.

Most people do not have support horses, they have small dogs.

The exception does not disprove a rule.

You are annoyed at the idea of "support animals" because you want the people who need to be like you and not need them. Other than that, someone holding a small dog that they like isn't bothering anyone.

 

[TheAdlerian]

What the fuck? People should have to sacrifice their own personal comfort so pet owning narcistic fucks can run rough shod over everybody else's personal space? Get fucked.

Being a "narcissist" means that you over value yourself and claim to be more important than you really are.

It's like the people who race through traffic trying to beat someone to a red light. They aren't going to do emergency brain surgery, they aren't going anywhere special, however, they are tearing through the streets going nowhere in a fast car they don't need.

You don't need to go anywhere special and can wait for someone to deal with their dog for a minute.

 

[QuantumZebra]

I admit it's a foreign concept to me. It does strike me as a bit silly but I'm just an elder millennial and apparently I'm some kind of unicorn because I don't have any deep-seated emotional or mental problems.

Well hurry up and start binging social media and develop a complex already, sheesh

On topic: I want an emotional support badger

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Most people do not have support horses, they have small dogs.

The exception does not disprove a rule.

You are annoyed at the idea of "support animals" because you want the people who need to be like you and not need them. Other than that, someone holding a small dog that they like isn't bothering anyone.

Youre right, they probably are mostly small dogs.

And guess what happens when that is allowed? It suddenly expands to pigs, small horses, birds, lizards and whatever else because if a small dog is allowed, you got to allow everything else because no doctor is going to sign an a emotional dog is fit for a plane but a goat isn't ok.

You've purposely limited your view to well behaved small dogs to make it easy.

What happens to all the other emotional support animals that are more reckless and 10x the size like the small pony crammed in a row?

How do you expect people and crew members to handle a super loud dog or pony that isnt behaving or shitting on the floor?

Have some respect for the other 200 people in a plane.

 

[Hatemachine]

Being a "narcissist" means that you over value yourself and claim to be more important than you really are.

Right, such as people who think the world should be going out of its way to accommodate them and their pet.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Adam Carolla has been railing against emotional support animals for years.

 

[INC]

Service animals are a completely different thing. They are highly trained, including training for stressful situations, and provide a service that the owner needs to function.

Thats what I said....."PTSD and shit"

I've basically covered all other options here

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Adam Carolla has been railing against emotional support animals for years.

He's a treasure. You should check out No Safe Spaces if you haven't.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Pets have benefits and make people happy plus they employ vets, groomers, trainers etc. emotions and animals in the same sentence doesn’t make sense.

 

[John Marston]

You had me at "Emotional support" pig, oh man.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I’d rather they ban children from flights than pets.

Considering children are vital to the survival of mankind aen in many countries vital to maintaining social security system - try again bro.

 

[Kerlurk]

nvm