Why are you arguing in favour of restricting benefits from others when your anger would be better channelled arguing in favour of gaining similar benefits? Saying "You" did this when it's clearly evident the people you are talking to did not vote in favour of Brexit comes across as very spiteful.
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EU Parliament ponders plan to let Indiviual Brits opt-in to keep their EU citizenship
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Why are you arguing in favour of restricting benefits from others when your anger would be better channelled arguing in favour of gaining similar benefits? Saying "You" did this when it's clearly evident the people you are talking to did not vote in favour of Brexit comes across as very spiteful.
this guy are sick
Member
If your wife/daughter are French you and then your son should both be eligible for French citizenship anyway.
Linkstrikesback
Member
The people who should logically be pro- this idea are also likely for the free movement of EU nationals to the UK. We don't want better treatment, ideally, I'd want this treatment for everyone.
Majukun
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or people that want the cake and eat it too
JonnyDBrit
Member
Its worth noting that as this is intended to be 'associate membership', if the idea were to pass it would likely lack some particular benefits, or have some requirements attached. At the very least, access to the single market would be out because that's an economic rather than individual thing.
If it were to pass, I'd definitely pick it up. I was born a citizen of the EU and wish to remain such.
If it were to pass, I'd definitely pick it up. I was born a citizen of the EU and wish to remain such.
-Plasma Reus-
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He's just angry. The whole brexit thing had been a disgrace in term of how EU citizens were treated. It's wrong for him to generalise, but it's a natural anger that not out of the ordinary.
I'd say to him:
Don't worry there are plenty of us EU folk who will never let something like this happen unless EU citizens get the same rights.
PdotMichael
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It isn't gonna happen anyway.
If UK citizens want free movement within the EU they need to fight for the four freedoms of the EU.
Such one-sided benefits wouldn't be accepted by the people within the EU.
-Plasma Reus-
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There would basically have to be two major clauses to this:
1. If you voted leave, you should be disqualified automatically.
2. EU citizens get the same opt in choice.
Neither of which are achievable.
1. If you voted leave, you should be disqualified automatically.
2. EU citizens get the same opt in choice.
Neither of which are achievable.
I could see the second one being achievable over time with a different government. Can't imagine "British people being allowed to live in the EU and not the other way round" would remain that way forever
PdotMichael
Banned
And it wouldn't be for free, that would be insane.
There are profiles where the European Union could use these UK citizens. LEt's say IT.
hobblygobbly
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I cannot see most member states ever agreeing to this, most used to criticise the special treatment the UK got in the EU to begin with.
johancruijff
Banned
Let's hold a referendum in the other EU countries
I'd sign up, if it ever comes to pass.
But even if does, I think it is spin to label it as "citizenship". I envisage it would be in practice something like a special visa for ex-EU members that entitles them to the rights they enjoyed before within the EU (movement/work...).
They'd probably make it reassuringly expensive as well, as the Stella ad used to say.
But even if does, I think it is spin to label it as "citizenship". I envisage it would be in practice something like a special visa for ex-EU members that entitles them to the rights they enjoyed before within the EU (movement/work...).
They'd probably make it reassuringly expensive as well, as the Stella ad used to say.
autumnleaf
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Northern Irish people already get a choice between British and Irish passports which will effectively become a similar situation in the future (British or EU).
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
All in favour of this. (I voted remain, natch.)
Tregard basically beat me to my answer here:
I didn't do this man. We're on the same side here. And I'm totally in favour of retaining access to Britain for EU citizens. I don't want special treatment.
Stallion Dan
Member
This cannot work.
Cannot have two people in the same country living by different laws.
Cannot have two people in the same country living by different laws.
ricardo_sousa11
Member
So basically, everything stays the same, but they pay way more taxes without acess to the single market.
Well done UK!
Well done UK!
Having benefits isn't the same as having laws right? Plus, I bet having EU-citizenship comes with a certain price. I don't believe an opt-in would be completely free.
Orniletter
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I'd love this opt-in to pass. Give the remainers an out of this mess.
I'd love the EU to go soft on the public, but take a hard stance while discussing economy.
I'd love the EU to go soft on the public, but take a hard stance while discussing economy.
Does not compute.
I'd go for it in a heartbeat.
I also find it hilarious how they even note there's added benefits of having citizenship.
What a fucking bunch of cunts.
She speaks as if the UK wasn't already divided because of Brexit.
I also find it hilarious how they even note there's added benefits of having citizenship.
What a fucking bunch of cunts.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
And what would you get for that fee that a British passport and a visa (or whatever) wouldn't get?
I'd be tempted, if only for the symbolism.
excelsiorlef
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You changed the wording of the second part for a reason. No one's saying you should be happy about it but unfortunately that's the way it is.
I'm french btw not american, and I can't see many french people agreeing with this as it is explained in the OP (as in : special treatment for UK citizens without the same courtesy being offered by the UK to european citizens). The Front National would probably be delighted about it though !
Hot Coldman
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I'm in. Let the leavers have blue passports so they don't feel left out.
Spring-Loaded
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The sentiment is made very clear, so good on Adye for the clarification.
Does that group already have a slogan? I'm thinking "Stength through unity. Unity through faith."
The people who said that were assholes then, just like the (sadly not actually) hypothetical people you mention.
I didn't believe a bad decision that affects people on a national scale should be instated because a contingent of misinformed and/or hateful people happened to vote for it. I still don't believe that.
Stallion Dan
Member
Benefits/laws have huge overlap. It not practical at all.
the UK (post-Brexit) wouldn't have any say in that matter, no? Whether the EU accepts the dual-citizenship of a Birtish national or not is not of their concern anymore, I'd think
Shadax the wizard
Member
That sounds very good!
"An outrage" haha wtf!?
"An outrage" haha wtf!?
Audioboxer
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We already pretty much have this choice if we vote for independence.
Not for me. I can't simply move to another country because of my health and I bet there are many like me.
ClosingADoor
Member
Sure, if the EU people now in the UK also get British citizenship if they want then.
ShemhazaiX
Member
It's not different laws. It's effectively just an EU freedom of travel Visa that doesn't effect British laws at all.
Stallion Dan
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They said the benefits too.
I calculate it to be about £213 per person in 2016 if you reduce the overall figure by the rebate and money that comes back to the uk.
Why would they want that? Laws here are going to be a shit show.
Well I'd assume the eu would use the opportunity to scrape a bit more money out of the people applying for this as there is a load of admin work involved. Plus let's assume 60% of people would sign up to this the eu would also be earning less from the uk so the price might be higher to cover that loss.
Ether_Snake
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Simple solution : don't go live in the anti-EU UK.
Blame the stupid UK government.
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