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EVE Online political betrayal result in record-breaking theft (1.5 trillion isk/20k$)

greatgeek

Banned
It's really amazing. I have no idea how to play nor have I ever tried, but it always sounds so engrossing. Love reading the stories like this though.
Yeah, I've played free trials a few times but the game never clicks with me. It seems like you need to be playing with others for it to be fun.
 

Dark Rider

Member
How does one get into this

its a sanbox old school mmorpg to the core
if you are welling to go into that (and keep in mind the effort needed) then you can be helped getting into it :)

despite being old school you really is in control how much time you need to play but keep in mind the less you play the less fun things you can do
 

Dark Rider

Member
I love how they are somewhat involved in all major drama like this. It's like the BOB disbanding all over again.

check Co2 state of the alliance link there is a soundcloud link there for the leaked meeting and it looks like they are planning to carry on and not disband
 
I feel like you could honestly make a movie about the events that happen in EVE like this using an in universe perspective and it could be amazing
 
its a sanbox old school mmorpg to the core
if you are welling to go into that (and keep in mind the effort needed) then you can be helped getting into it :)

despite being old school you really is in control how much time you need to play but keep in mind the less you play the less fun things you can do
Never tried an Old school MMO but i mean, this sounds fun as fuck and doesn't seem like a bad place to start.
Sign up at eve-online.com and make a start. The game has a reasonably good tutorial now. Also it's free to play upto a point.
After you have muddled through the tutorial you can do whatever you want and I recommend joining an alliance like Eve university. They specialise in help new people get into the game and teach you a lot.
After a while you may get the itch to join something bigger and with Huge alliances like Goonswarm, Northern Coalition (spit), TEST, Pandemic horde etc, there are plenty of options out there.
EVE online politics is wonderfully interesting. I've played the game for nearly 12 years now.
Okay yeah im going to try it.
 

pulsemyne

Member
How does one get into this

Sign up at eve-online.com and make a start. The game has a reasonably good tutorial now. Also it's free to play upto a point.
After you have muddled through the tutorial you can do whatever you want and I recommend joining an alliance like Eve university. They specialise in help new people get into the game and teach you a lot.
After a while you may get the itch to join something bigger and with Huge alliances like Goonswarm, Northern Coalition (spit), TEST, Pandemic horde etc, there are plenty of options out there.
EVE online politics is wonderfully interesting. I've played the game for nearly 12 years now.
 

kai3345

Banned
he did it for the money
he is trying to spin it otherwise obviously

either way this game is insane

it's just a shame the game isn't nearly as exciting to play moment-to-moment as it is to read about when a big story like this comes out every few years
 

Dark Rider

Member
Never tried an Old school MMO but i mean, this sounds fun as fuck and doesn't seem like a bad place to start.

Okay yeah im going to try it.

Sign up at eve-online.com and make a start. The game has a reasonably good tutorial now. Also it's free to play upto a point.
After you have muddled through the tutorial you can do whatever you want and I recommend joining an alliance like Eve university. They specialise in help new people get into the game and teach you a lot.
After a while you may get the itch to join something bigger and with Huge alliances like Goonswarm, Northern Coalition (spit), TEST, Pandemic horde etc, there are plenty of options out there.
EVE online politics is wonderfully interesting. I've played the game for nearly 12 years now.

thats the wrong link
here where he should actually sign up:
https://secure.eveonline.com/signup/
 

SpaceWolf

Banned
Can someone Kickstart a documentary that'll revolve around all these historic EVE Online heists?

Seriously, can someone get on this?
 

gypsie

Member
I miss having the free time to play this game.

Actually, no I don't. It quickly consumed my life.

Still think about it from time to time though, no game has matched the experiences I've had in Eve.

Yep me too me too.

I was in m0o wayyyyy back when and yea I have such fond memories of it. Nothing in gaming has come close to it.
 

Dark Rider

Member
I feel like you could honestly make a movie about the events that happen in EVE like this using an in universe perspective and it could be amazing

I don't trust Hollywood huge ego to not ruin it

Can someone Kickstart a documentary that'll revolve around all these historic EVE Online heists?

Seriously, can someone get on this?

There is one book about it so far
it is for the early years of the game though so the last few years are not included
 

nightside

Member
check Co2 state of the alliance link there is a soundcloud link there for the leaked meeting and it looks like they are planning to carry on and not disband

OK, but I mean this situation it's quite similar to the way BOB lost the sovereignty in Delve like... Ten years ago?
The difference here is that CO2 seems to be quite completely annihilated and not being capable to fight back any time soon.
 

Tagyhag

Member
It always amazes me how one person can have such a big impact on the game. You don't see stuff like this on WoW or Runescape aside from glitches.
But those games are so much more fun to actually play :p

Reminds me of that EVE player who was an double agent and spent months (Years?) gaining the trust of another corporation to go up the ranks and ended up stealing all their money and ships for his actual corporation when he was high enough.
 

Tagyhag

Member
I admittedly don't really know much of anything about this game. But if politics are a part of the game, and the theft is supported by in game systems and is taken into account within the game's economy and the action itself is allowed on a smaller scale in-game without having to resort to any type of cheating or whatever, why should the betrayer be permabanned?

Like I said, I don't really know anything about the game so I'm pretty much entirely ignorant. It just seems weird to me that a player would be banned for making a choice that is allowed within the game. Or maybe I'm completely misunderstanding. It's likely, so if someone can ELIA5 then it would be much appreciated.

He didn't get banned. The guy he stole from got banned because he threatened real world violence.
 

_Ryo_

Member
He didn't get banned. The guy he stole from got banned because he threatened real world violence.

Ah. Thanks. I completely misunderstood. Thank you for the explanation. Threatening people over a game is just.. ugh. They chose to play the game with the knowledge of all of its systems and rules and the consequences of using real money.

Anyway, it's pretty interesting, the politics of EVE Online.
 

Dark Rider

Member
OK, but I mean this situation it's quite similar to the way BOB lost the sovereignty in Delve like... Ten years ago?
The difference here is that CO2 seems to be quite completely annihilated and not being capable to fight back any time soon.

I have no idea if Co2 are able to withstand their current state but they are attempting, they might be able to in the long run
 

pulsemyne

Member
OK, but I mean this situation it's quite similar to the way BOB lost the sovereignty in Delve like... Ten years ago?
The difference here is that CO2 seems to be quite completely annihilated and not being capable to fight back any time soon.

One partial difference here is that BOB was actually able to get some of it's assets safe, although a lot of it was "Hellcamped" by Goons and Co for months. BoB went and reformed as IT alliance but they were never the same and in the end they split apart.
CO2 meanwhile have been gutted from top to bottom. Nearly every line member was hit in some way.
However, TEST alliance (which now controls the keepstar) has offered CO2 members safe passage out of the area and to a low secruity area. So CO2 members may well have something to cling onto even if the alliance itself falls apart (failcascading as we call it in EVE).
 
Yeah, I've played free trials a few times but the game never clicks with me. It seems like you need to be playing with others for it to be fun.

Yeah, getting engaged with other people is certainly the way to go. The game is really quite bad for the solo player. Major portions of the PvE aspect of the game are in desperate need of an overhaul, including small group and particularly solo play. It always seems to be on the back burner though because the player base doesn't seem to be too interested in what they'd call "care bear" activities, despite them being a necessity for the economic cycle to function -- the cycle of production/destruction.

The upcoming release(s) should be a good mixup though with a revamp to moon mining IIRC.

Unfortunately I don't really have time to devote to EVE at the moment since I'm mythic raiding in WoW, and EVE in my experience is rather time intensive if you want to extract fun from it. Not so much that you have to login every day, but that play sessions have to be at least 2-3 hours in length if you want to actually accomplish much of anything (outside of market trading). This is softened by the fact that skills train even when logged out, in real time, so you're always progressing in that regard.

Anyway, the game does have a permanent F2P mode ("Alpha Clone State") now, if people want to try it out. Without going into detail, there are some fairly heavy restrictions, but it does allow for a good taste of the sandbox.

Anyway, dissertations could (and have?) be written about EVE Online. In some ways it's one of the most compelling games of our time, certainly that I've ever played.

Shame that the company doesn't seem to have had the best management: See Dust 514, along with numerous blunders in EVE development, and the squandered development of World of Darkness. In the right hands I think the game (EVE) could flourish and find a larger audience than it has. They've got some smart people working there for sure, but somewhere in the process things often go kaflooey. You read their Glassdoor page and it's not pretty.

That's all I've got for now.
 

Village

Member
I learned from an early age.. don't fuck with someone's money.

$20,000 real money right? shiiiiiiiit man playing fire there buddy.

True, and the more mainstream and encompassing games become on the user end the more you will see this

I'm waiting for like fucked up esports betting rings.
 
It always amazes me how one person can have such a big impact on the game. You don't see stuff like this on WoW or Runescape aside from glitches.
But those games are so much more fun to actually play :p

Reminds me of that EVE player who was an double agent and spent months (Years?) gaining the trust of another corporation to go up the ranks and ended up stealing all their money and ships for his actual corporation when he was high enough.

Maybe double post but I wanted to respond to this:

The reason this sort of shit happens in EVE is because everyone plays on the same server essentially, except for China (they have their own separate instance of the galaxy) because reasons.

Damn man. Netflix could take EVE stories and turn each one into its own season.

I think several books have been done/are in development. And there may have been an attempt at making a tv series set in the EVE universe, but I can't recall if that ended up going anywhere.
 

Juraash

Member
I updated EVE just the other day with the intent of playing. But all my good stuff is locked behind the sub wall (which is fine) and so I just station spun for a while.

Reading about it may be as close as I get to getting back. That said, this is a pretty great EVE story even if it is Goons coming out on top.
 

Dark Rider

Member
Yeah, getting engaged with other people is certainly the way to go. The game is really quite bad for the solo player. Major portions of the PvE aspect of the game are in desperate need of an overhaul, including small group and particularly solo play. It always seems to be on the back burner though because the player base doesn't seem to be too interested in what they'd call "care bear" activities, despite them being a necessity for the economic cycle to function -- the cycle of production/destruction.

The upcoming release(s) should be a good mixup though with a revamp to moon mining IIRC.

Unfortunately I don't really have time to devote to EVE at the moment since I'm mythic raiding in WoW, and EVE in my experience is rather time intensive if you want to extract fun from it. Not so much that you have to login every day, but that play sessions have to be at least 2-3 hours in length if you want to actually accomplish much of anything (outside of market trading). This is softened by the fact that skills train even when logged out, in real time, so you're always progressing in that regard.

Anyway, the game does have a permanent F2P mode ("Alpha Clone State") now, if people want to try it out. Without going into detail, there are some fairly heavy restrictions, but it does allow for a good taste of the sandbox.

Anyway, dissertations could (and have?) be written about EVE Online. In some ways it's one of the most compelling games of our time, certainly that I've ever played.

Shame that the company doesn't seem to have had the best management: See Dust 514, along with numerous blunders in EVE development, and the squandered development of World of Darkness. In the right hands I think the game (EVE) could flourish and find a larger audience than it has. They've got some smart people working there for sure, but somewhere in the process things often go kaflooey. You read their Glassdoor page and it's not pretty.

That's all I've got for now.

CCP has its mountain of flaws but I wouldn't give Eve online to anyone else.
If eve were another company IP then the game would have long being gutted and made into some cookie cutter action game based on a focus group of players who have no interest in a proper sandbox mmorpg, I take CCP fuck ups everyday of the week over that
 

sibarraz

Banned
Could somebody explain me why is so easy for just 1 guy to destroy a 5000 members Alliance/corporation in overnight?

One would think that for this to happen, he would have been in cahoots with way more people within the alliance
 

Dark Rider

Member
Maybe double post but I wanted to respond to this:

The reason this sort of shit happens in EVE is because everyone plays on the same server essentially, except for China (they have their own separate instance of the galaxy) because reasons.

the reason is actually the chinese laws
every other mmorpg is the same boat regarding china if they want to have an official release in china

Could somebody explain me why is so easy for just 1 guy to destroy a 5000 members Alliance/corporation in overnight?

One would think that for this to happen, he would have been in cahoots with way more people within the alliance

He joined the alliance and worked his way up, took him more than 3 years as a member of the alliance to become the #2 guy basically in the alliance and the position of being the highest diplomat representing the alliance
 
God damn. Echoing the sentiment that EVE is great to read about, but I don't ever want to play. Gonna' have to dig out some other stories about this game.
 
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